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Sonikku

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How do I become limber enough after having lived a life as a sedentary software developer & gamer so that I can bend like Gumby? :confused:

First you must play NES Ninja Gaiden to completion and all it's sequels. This will help hone your ninja skills, as well as your ability to slice annoying bats in twain while making death defying leaps over bottomless pits. Upon completion, you must hammer upon a Nintendo made (not something flimsy made my Microsoft) gaming console with a karate chop until it, too, is destroyed. This will strengthen your ninja death grip to god like levels. If you can do all of this, then please tell me how.

I'm still working on step one. :'(
 

rasczak

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Watch
shogun.jpg

and learn.

He was a gay ninja.
 

shortylickens

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Ummm, he wasnt a ninja, dammit.

Theres like two awesome ninja scenes in the movie, for those who need training.
 

kage69

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Yeah. Lived with a 2nd dan Booj "ninja" who broke his arm "doing a breakfall" off of a garbage can while teaching class.

Yeah.


I'm having a hard time believing a 2nd dan would screw up basic ukemi, also last I checked it took a shidoshi or higher to teach, or are you talking about helping the beginners warm up?

But lets assume this dangerous garbage can story is true. Should we take it that you consider all Navy SEAL members buffoons because one tried to impress a girl and shot himself in the head?

Never really heard anyone in the booj claim to be a ninja, although I'm sure a lot of the people who get run out of it or abandon it like to use the term to impress or intimidate others. Serious hobbyists and the real warrior crowd seem to know that only Hatsumi and a handful of his generation can really call themselves that.

I'm curious, where does this story hail from? Where did you guys live? Was he actually in the booj or was it maybe one of Steve Hayes' new schools?
 

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I'm having a hard time believing a 2nd dan would screw up basic ukemi, also last I checked it took a shidoshi or higher to teach, or are you talking about helping the beginners warm up?

But lets assume this dangerous garbage can story is true. Should we take it that you consider all Navy SEAL members buffoons because one tried to impress a girl and shot himself in the head?

Never really heard anyone in the booj claim to be a ninja, although I'm sure a lot of the people who get run out of it or abandon it like to use the term to impress or intimidate others. Serious hobbyists and the real warrior crowd seem to know that only Hatsumi and a handful of his generation can really call themselves that.

I'm curious, where does this story hail from? Where did you guys live? Was he actually in the booj or was it maybe one of Steve Hayes' new schools?
You are comparing Ninja LARPers to SEAL?

You are the same guys that do not compete because it is too teh deadly, right?
 

kage69

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You are comparing Ninja LARPers to SEAL?

You are the same guys that do not compete because it is too teh deadly, right?



I'm talking about the Bujinkan (aka the booj), no idea what a Ninja LARPer is. I provided an example of why it's absurd to judge a group based on the acts of an individual, what the group does or stands for is largely irrelevant in the context that it's wrong to "paint with such a wide brush."
If I had used Tom Brady's opening plays at the Super Bowl as an indictment of all East Coast football would you be similarly incredulous?

There are many schools that view turning combat arts into sport with disdain, the Bujinkan is one them. What of it?
I have no interest in defending the words of whatever e-Bruce Lee's you've dealt with in the past. I can sympathize with your views on them, but that doesn't change the fact that ninjutsu (or ninpo) is the real deal and alive and well via the teachings of Hatsumi and the Bujinkan.
 

sourceninja

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I heard Hatsumi's Sokeships aren't as clean cut as he claims. What is the story there?

A. Takamatsu's successor was a man named Ueno Takashi. This happened long before Hatsumi heard of Takamatsu. As some point later Hatsumi traveled to train with Takamatsu and was sent to Ueno's dojo. Shortly after, Ueno kicked Hatsumi out of his school. Hatsumi as this point went back to pay for private lessons with Takamatsu. After Takamatsu died, Hatsumi claimed that Takamatsu removed Ueno as his successor and placed Hatsumi there, a claim never confirmed by Takamatsu and not recognized by anyone other than Hatsumi and his students. Ueno later on passed his Sokeship to Kaminaga Shimegi who teaches the arts today. Lineage wise and scroll wise Kaminaga Shimegi holds the Sokeships, Hatsumi scrolls remain unverified.

So he may not be the real deal, but a pretender to the throne.
 

kage69

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I heard Hatsumi's Sokeships aren't as clean cut as he claims. What is the story there?

A. Takamatsu's successor was a man named Ueno Takashi. This happened long before Hatsumi heard of Takamatsu. As some point later Hatsumi traveled to train with Takamatsu and was sent to Ueno's dojo. Shortly after, Ueno kicked Hatsumi out of his school. Hatsumi as this point went back to pay for private lessons with Takamatsu. After Takamatsu died, Hatsumi claimed that Takamatsu removed Ueno as his successor and placed Hatsumi there, a claim never confirmed by Takamatsu and not recognized by anyone other than Hatsumi and his students. Ueno later on passed his Sokeship to Kaminaga Shimegi who teaches the arts today. Lineage wise and scroll wise Kaminaga Shimegi holds the Sokeships, Hatsumi scrolls remain unverified.

So he may not be the real deal, but a pretender to the throne.


Not sure where you cut and pasted that from but it isn't the first time I've heard sourgrapes concerning Takamatsu's successor. Hatsumi's cousin, Tanemura, also contests ownership of the scrolls and title of Soke. He was also discharged from the police force for "unnecessary roughness" as I recall. If Hatsumi were the usurper that some in the Jinenkan or Gembukan say he is, I'd like to think Takamatsu's wife and daughter would have said something.

Scrolls remain unverified?

Are you aware that the progression of grandmaster skips every other generation? Someone of Takamatsu's generation would not be considered for a replacement. This issue is kinda of complex due to the tradition involved. The current Soke doesn't select his replacement, it's more like he approves him. The best of Soke's generation pick the replacement (most of the juyushi I think, Soke's inner council) and then they all set about preparing him for later.
Add to it we're not just talking about one ryu here, there are nine traditions. Takamatsu took on the mantle of Soke for other ryuha because at the time the heads of those schools couldn't find students worthy of receiving the knowledge. Takamatsu helped these guys out as he didn't want the knowledge to die. Your excerpt there might be referring to one of those other samurai traditions, but it's clear that if we're talking actual Togakure ryu ninpo, Takamatsu most certainly did choose Hatsumi as his successor.

Nothing about Hatsumi is fake or disingenuous, he's a renaissance man and an enlightened warrior. I can't say the same about his detractors, if they want to talk about frauds they should go find that Ashida Kim asshole. Funny name for a round eye, no?
 

sourceninja

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It's not really disputed even in the Bujinkan that Hatsumi has repeatedly refused to produce the relevant scrolls to prove his legitimacy. So thus his scrolls remain unverified.