I want honest opinions from Conservatives

[Arkaign]

If I had to limit myself to a single one-word political definition, I have historically been more conservative than otherwise, but I've had the sinking feeling for a long long time that I've not had any representation from most Republicans in any meaningful way, maybe even in my lifetime.

Conservative to me means :

*Smaller, not larger government*
*Cut Spending, keep taxes fair and as low as RESPONSIBLY possible*
*DO NOT get involved in conflicts unless a clear and present danger exists to the safety of the American people*
*Respect for our laws, and control of our borders*
*Appoint personnel in positions for reasons of pure ability and honesty, *NEVER* for pure political reasons*
*Keep the governement as minimally active in social issues as possible*

I could go on, but you probably get the idea. The question is not meant for Democrats or those who consider themselves to the left, but rather to those who call themselves conservative. I can't look at the Republicans politicians today, and see anything less than a bunch of petty, irresponsible, big-spending, cronyist, propoganda-spreading, corrupt monkeys.

Is part of it that corruption is part of the distillation of our political process? After going through so much partisan nonsense, PAC money, smear campaigns .. does it basically guarantee that by the time a Politician reaches national level, he (or she) is already a morally bankrupt partisan hack, who would sell their children's organs for a vote?

 

[Oblivionaire]

My sentiments exactly

 

[Vich]

*Appoint personnel in positions for reasons of pure ability and honesty, *NEVER* for pure political reasons*

That in itself disqualifies any politician. That is impossible because politics is just that, sometimes you need to put people in certain positions for political reasons.

i.e putting an African American politician on the diversity board, just to say you arent racist. ( bad example but it fits)

 

[Craig234]

Arkaign,

Recommended reading about the cause

 

[zephyrprime]

It's because of the historic shift of the Dixie democrats to the republican party. They really took over the party.

 

[Pandaren]

Originally posted by: ArkaignI could go on, but you probably get the idea. The question is not meant for Democrats or those who consider themselves to the left, but rather to those who call themselves conservative. I can't look at the Republicans politicians today, and see anything less than a bunch of petty, irresponsible, big-spending, cronyist, propoganda-spreading, corrupt monkeys.

Registered Republican here.

I have nothing but contempt for the majority of what is now the Republican party. Since 2001 the national debt has gone up, American prestige has fallen to new lows, the American military is tied up in a pointless war, and the relgious right has gained far too much influence. Republicans no longer represent my values, or the values they used to represent. The party of prudence and careful deliberation has turned into the party of drunken power-hungry revellers.

I'm voting Democrat this Tuesday, and then I'm going to throw my support to the Libertarian party.

 

[Tab]

That seems more libertarian than conservative...

As for voting for the third parties, that's more of a waste if anything...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

I would have to agree, I am disappointed with republicans in general, but the democratic platform is not attracting me either.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

I would have to agree, I am disappointed with republicans in general, but the democratic platform is not attracting me either.

I agree too. Once you have a disease that is killing you why go out and vote for something different. Your best judgment got you disaster, why go with something counter- intuitive. The thing about self hate is that it is self destructive, but of course, in the name of the good. It's better to be dead than to admit to a mistake.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

I would have to agree, I am disappointed with republicans in general, but the democratic platform is not attracting me either.

I agree too. Once you have a disease that is killing you why go out and vote for something different. Your best judgment got you disaster, why go with something counter- intuitive. The thing about self hate is that it is self destructive, but of course, in the name of the good. It's better to be dead than to admit to a mistake.

And when the democrats embrace pro growth economics, reasonable enviromental rules, throws aside class warfare, adopts the desire to cancel useless goverment programs, change social programs into handups and not handouts, drops gun control, embraces self reliance over goverment reliance and realizes the military is not just a jobs program. When this happens, I will be first in line to pull the lever for a democrat but at this point they are nowhere close to this.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

I would have to agree, I am disappointed with republicans in general, but the democratic platform is not attracting me either.

I agree too. Once you have a disease that is killing you why go out and vote for something different. Your best judgment got you disaster, why go with something counter- intuitive. The thing about self hate is that it is self destructive, but of course, in the name of the good. It's better to be dead than to admit to a mistake.

And when the democrats embrace pro growth economics, reasonable enviromental rules, throws aside class warfare, adopts the desire to cancel useless goverment programs, change social programs into handups and not handouts, drops gun control, embraces self reliance over goverment reliance and realizes the military is not just a jobs program. When this happens, I will be first in line to pull the lever for a democrat but at this point they are nowhere close to this.

Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!


:Q

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The last six years have been unbelievably disappointing. Everything I was looking forward to by having "conservatives" in full control has turned out exactly the opposite. The budget has ballooned... as has the deficit. Government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

Unlike Pandaren I'm still voting Republican on Tuesday. There really isn't a choice in my state. Don Young or a complete nobody who defected from the Green party to get her name on the ballot... Don Young.

I can't vote Dem cause, well, all of the things the Rs have been doing to make baby Whoozyer cry are on the agenda for the Ds. There is no way that they will shrink the size of government or lower spending and they have no desire to give me any kind of tax break (much less let me keep the paltry on I got from the Rs).

Douche... Turd Sandwich...

I would have to agree, I am disappointed with republicans in general, but the democratic platform is not attracting me either.

I agree too. Once you have a disease that is killing you why go out and vote for something different. Your best judgment got you disaster, why go with something counter- intuitive. The thing about self hate is that it is self destructive, but of course, in the name of the good. It's better to be dead than to admit to a mistake.

And when the democrats embrace pro growth economics, reasonable enviromental rules, throws aside class warfare, adopts the desire to cancel useless goverment programs, change social programs into handups and not handouts, drops gun control, embraces self reliance over goverment reliance and realizes the military is not just a jobs program. When this happens, I will be first in line to pull the lever for a democrat but at this point they are nowhere close to this.

Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!


:Q

And voting for the party that wants to do 180 of what needs to be done in this country is even more foolish. If the democrats win on tuesday it will not because republicans will vote for democrats, it will be cause republicans opted to stay home.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!

As opposed to voting for the party that is guaranteed to not give you those things? 😕 Where is the logic in that?

If I want smaller, cheaper government why would I vote for Dems? Granted, right now you could ask that same question of the Rs but really, when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
...when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Did the dems run on a platform that they'd balance the budget in 1992? No, but they won and they did balance the budget.

If this were the 1992, I've little doubt you would be saying the same thing you are now, that you are vhoosing George H. W. Bush over Clinton because you KNOW he'll overspend.

You republicans are a menace to the country because you let the crooks get away with manipulating you to vote for them with 'the democrats are worse' while they rob away.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!

As opposed to voting for the party that is guaranteed to not give you those things? 😕 Where is the logic in that?

If I want smaller, cheaper government why would I vote for Dems? Granted, right now you could ask that same question of the Rs but really, when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Some Fiscal Conservative Republicans have been switching to the Democratic Party. Don't bbe surprised if 30 years from now if the Democrats become the Party of choice for Fiscal Conservatives.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
...when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Did the dems run on a platform that they'd balance the budget in 1992? No, but they won and they did balance the budget.

If this were the 1992, I've little doubt you would be saying the same thing you are now, that you are vhoosing George H. W. Bush over Clinton because you KNOW he'll overspend.

You republicans are a menace to the country because you let the crooks get away with manipulating you to vote for them with 'the democrats are worse' while they rob away.

No but the republicans ran with contract with America in 1994 lead by Gingrinch that included a balanced budget. I hate to break it to you, bu the republican congress gets quite a bit of credit for those balanced for those few balanced budgets. They bounched several budgets back to clinton before they got balanced.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!

As opposed to voting for the party that is guaranteed to not give you those things? 😕 Where is the logic in that?

If I want smaller, cheaper government why would I vote for Dems? Granted, right now you could ask that same question of the Rs but really, when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Some Fiscal Conservative Republicans have been switching to the Democratic Party. Don't bbe surprised if 30 years from now if the Democrats become the Party of choice for Fiscal Conservatives.

Right now they are not. There is not a social program or tax that the democratic party does not like.

 

[Ferocious]

I want honest opinions from Conservatives

I doubt you'll get any. None so far anyways.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
...when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Did the dems run on a platform that they'd balance the budget in 1992? No, but they won and they did balance the budget.

If this were the 1992, I've little doubt you would be saying the same thing you are now, that you are vhoosing George H. W. Bush over Clinton because you KNOW he'll overspend.

You republicans are a menace to the country because you let the crooks get away with manipulating you to vote for them with 'the democrats are worse' while they rob away.

No but the republicans ran with contract with America in 1994 lead by Gingrinch that included a balanced budget. I hate to break it to you, bu the republican congress gets quite a bit of credit for those balanced for those few balanced budgets. They bounched several budgets back to clinton before they got balanced.

And once the balance of power was shifted completely to one party with no checks and balances, the Republicans became exactly what they were running against.

The ole "Power corrupts...Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" comes to mind. There is no "conservative" in today's version of the Republican party unless you throw in "Neo" as a pretext to the title.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
...when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Did the dems run on a platform that they'd balance the budget in 1992? No, but they won and they did balance the budget.

If this were the 1992, I've little doubt you would be saying the same thing you are now, that you are vhoosing George H. W. Bush over Clinton because you KNOW he'll overspend.

You republicans are a menace to the country because you let the crooks get away with manipulating you to vote for them with 'the democrats are worse' while they rob away.

No but the republicans ran with contract with America in 1994 lead by Gingrinch that included a balanced budget. I hate to break it to you, bu the republican congress gets quite a bit of credit for those balanced for those few balanced budgets. They bounched several budgets back to clinton before they got balanced.

And once the balance of power was shifted completely to one party with no checks and balances, the Republicans became exactly what they were running against.

The ole "Power corrupts...Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" comes to mind. There is no "conservative" in today's version of the Republican party unless you throw in "Neo" as a pretext to the title.

Yes that is infact part of the problem. There are still plenty of conservatives left, however there are defiantly not enough in DC.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
...when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Did the dems run on a platform that they'd balance the budget in 1992? No, but they won and they did balance the budget.

If this were the 1992, I've little doubt you would be saying the same thing you are now, that you are vhoosing George H. W. Bush over Clinton because you KNOW he'll overspend.

You republicans are a menace to the country because you let the crooks get away with manipulating you to vote for them with 'the democrats are worse' while they rob away.

No but the republicans ran with contract with America in 1994 lead by Gingrinch that included a balanced budget. I hate to break it to you, bu the republican congress gets quite a bit of credit for those balanced for those few balanced budgets. They bounched several budgets back to clinton before they got balanced.

And once the balance of power was shifted completely to one party with no checks and balances, the Republicans became exactly what they were running against.

The ole "Power corrupts...Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" comes to mind. There is no "conservative" in today's version of the Republican party unless you throw in "Neo" as a pretext to the title.

You are correct sir. Hence, my disappointment in the party.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: feralkid
Yes, stick with voting for the party which gave you none of these things; let them know that they are doing a heck of a job.

That will send them the right message...keep up the good work!

As opposed to voting for the party that is guaranteed to not give you those things? 😕 Where is the logic in that?

If I want smaller, cheaper government why would I vote for Dems? Granted, right now you could ask that same question of the Rs but really, when have the Dems ever listed a smaller cheaper government as part of their platform?

Some Fiscal Conservative Republicans have been switching to the Democratic Party. Don't bbe surprised if 30 years from now if the Democrats become the Party of choice for Fiscal Conservatives.

And when that happens, I will most certainly vote Dem. But right now, that ain't them.

 

[PingSpike]

Both parties have great plans to sh|t all over me. But at least the democratic party probably won't sh|t all over my face.

If the republicans aren't giving you what you want, and you can't swallow the democrat pill then why not vote libertarian or some other party?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Both parties have great plans to sh|t all over me. But at least the democratic party probably won't sh|t all over my face.

If the republicans aren't giving you what you want, and you can't swallow the democrat pill then why not vote libertarian or some other party?

If there were a fiscally conservative, socially moderate, viable third party I'd probably find myself voting for them. As it is, the system is rigged for the two major parties. Occasionally you get a flash-in-the-pan third party but more often than not it's a cult of personality rather than somthing sustainable (Ross Perot - Roosevelt's Moose party) and once the personality backs out, the party folds.