I want a solemn promise from every democrat here.

StageLeft

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I'm serious. As most people sound of mind, I want Obama to win on Tuesday. I also believe he will and by a likely damning electoral vote, all but humiliating McCain and his band of merry men.

However, if the democrats manage to pull off a Hail Mary loss in this one, we absolutely have nothing to conclude but that the party is fated to lose. Do you want to be on the losing team? I sure don't, and thus I think the democratic party should completely disolve if it cannot win this election, because we must admit that if it loses this one, it will never win another and doesn't even deserve a shot.

So in the end, it's a win-win. Either Obama wins for you dems, or he loses and you can stop vesting yourself in a losing prospect and feel free and clear of the party, stake out a new claim elsewhere, and move to the next chapter of your life.

There is a silver lining in everything.
 

jpeyton

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I pinkie swear.
 

Perknose

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If Republican voters will promise the same, (and they have even more reason to, imho), then I heartily endorse this plan. :thumbsup:
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Perknose
If Republican voters will promise the same, (and they have even more reason to, imho), then I heartily endorse this plan. :thumbsup:

I'll get around to changing my party affiliation someday... probably not till it matters again in 2011, though.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Barack Obama
But but but..Do I become an independent in the senate?

Go TRIPLE Maverick! :p
 

OneOfTheseDays

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It's because of sentiments like this Obama will win.

In '04 Democrats got cocky and assumed that there was NO way they could lose. Now, they aren't taking chances. All of the key indicators are there to point to an Obama victory.
 

conehead433

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I'm an Independent and vote for the best candidate. I wouldn't be able to quit a party I don't belong to.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'm serious. As most people sound of mind, I want Obama to win on Tuesday. I also believe he will and by a likely damning electoral vote, all but humiliating McCain and his band of merry men.

However, if the democrats manage to pull off a Hail Mary loss in this one, we absolutely have nothing to conclude but that the party is fated to lose. Do you want to be on the losing team? I sure don't, and thus I think the democratic party should completely disolve if it cannot win this election, because we must admit that if it loses this one, it will never win another and doesn't even deserve a shot.

So in the end, it's a win-win. Either Obama wins for you dems, or he loses and you can stop vesting yourself in a losing prospect and feel free and clear of the party, stake out a new claim elsewhere, and move to the next chapter of your life.

There is a silver lining in everything.

LOL, if its one thing the Democrats are good at, it is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. To me, there is no down side in whoever becomes President this election. Its a foregone conclusion if he wins, that Obama will have a sympathetic congress and after 2 - 4 years of failed policy and further skyrocketing of the deficit, their time will also come to an end. I can stomach a few years of terrible governance, just like I did the past 6 -7 years. I can only hope that the necon invasion of the Republican party is purged in the mean time.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: conehead433
I'm an Independent and vote for the best candidate. I wouldn't be able to quit a party I don't belong to.

Yeah, I'm curious how many people are actually party members.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
If Republican voters will promise the same, (and they have even more reason to, imho), then I heartily endorse this plan. :thumbsup:

I'll get around to changing my party affiliation someday... probably not till it matters again in 2011, though.

I'm a lifelong registered Independent (and fiercely proud of it! ;) ) who registered Dem this year as a gesture of my commitment not to allow yet another internationally reckless and domestically authoritarian, fundamentalist-driven administration squander our prestige, our resources and our national treasure while harming our current security and our entire future in High Ignorance.

Some time after the election but before the next primaries, I will re-register Independent.

 

BoomerD

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I've been a registered Democrat since 1972, but other than some involvment when I was a business agent for my union, I've never had anything to do with the Democratic Party at all. I've been asked to join, I've been pushed to join, and even had it hinted that my job could be in jeopardy over my refusal to join, but I've stood my ground and said NO.
I'm just not much of a joiner...in anything. No social clubs, no professional organizations other than my labor union, no reef/aquarium clubs, no softball teams or bowling leagues...

The Democratic Party seems to be driving more and more of it's more centrist and conservative members away as they drift farther and farther to the left.

Will I drop my registration as a Democrat if Obama loses? Not likely. He's not really my candidate anyway...he just doesn't have that (R) associated with his name.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: conehead433
I'm an Independent and vote for the best candidate. I wouldn't be able to quit a party I don't belong to.

Yeah, I'm curious how many people are actually party members.
Eww. This sounds so like the former ussr.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Perknose
If Republican voters will promise the same, (and they have even more reason to, imho), then I heartily endorse this plan. :thumbsup:

I'll get around to changing my party affiliation someday... probably not till it matters again in 2011, though.

I'm a lifelong registered Independent (and fiercely proud of it! ;) ) who registered Dem this year as a gesture of my commitment not to allow yet another internationally reckless and domestically authoritarian, fundamentalist-driven administration squander our prestige, our resources and our national treasure while harming our current security and our entire future in High Ignorance.

Some time after the election but before the next primaries, I will re-register Independent.

:thumbsup:

I registered as I when I registered for the first time for 2000, but switched to R during the 2008 primaries to vote against 9/11, since I figured Hillary had NJ in the bag and it might have been a competitive primary had Rudy not gotten curb stomped in Florida.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Perknose
If Republican voters will promise the same, (and they have even more reason to, imho), then I heartily endorse this plan. :thumbsup:
Good point.

 

microbial

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Registered Independent. Quit the Dems a long time ago. Not liberal enough for my views.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's because of sentiments like this Obama will win.

In '04 Democrats got cocky and assumed that there was NO way they could lose. Now, they aren't taking chances. All of the key indicators are there to point to an Obama victory.

And people said that Gore could not lose either - The popularity of Clinton would ensure that he would win.

 

Moonbeam

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A mighty wave is coming and the tide will start retreating in a couple of days. This will be one of the few times in history when we'll see government reform. Then the disease of self hate will rise once again and we will fall back into Republican sordidness. But it all depends on how many awaken and push how much will get done. Good luck!
 

theeedude

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McCain win would net be all that bad for the Democrats. There are going to be some tough times ahead cleaning up Bush's mess, a McCain as president would mean Republicans continue to get the blame for the mess instead of offloading it to the Democrats completely and washing their hands.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: senseamp
McCain win would net be all that bad for the Democrats. There are going to be some tough times ahead cleaning up Bush's mess, a McCain as president would mean Republicans continue to get the blame for the mess instead of offloading it to the Democrats completely and washing their hands.
That's a pretty big assumption - that a repug would even want to start cleaning up the mess - instead of continuing it.
 

Infohawk

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This is silly. If Obama loses it will be because he's black. If Democrats win the house and senate they are still useful.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's because of sentiments like this Obama will win.

In '04 Democrats got cocky and assumed that there was NO way they could lose. Now, they aren't taking chances. All of the key indicators are there to point to an Obama victory.

And people said that Gore could not lose either - The popularity of Clinton would ensure that he would win.

Gore almost DID win. But that was just people talking, now there are a LOT of numbers backing up the idea that Obama will win. He's not riding anyone's coattails either, and while pundits will argue that McCain is hamstrung by being a member of the same party as Bush, Obama is a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama who spent a lot of time outside this country, so I think they both have things working against them.