I want a Desi connecter on Friendster.

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao
i absolutely agree. Anyone who says he is Indian 'only on the outside' is a jerk

Am I the only one who heard this as 3 year olds voice when reading it?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Indian Movies = Good for a laugh every now and then. But I can't honestly sit through 80-90% without wanting to shoot myself. Same plots, storylines, etc. Gang Leader was a tight movie though, if anyone has ever seen it.
Indian Music = Absolutely atrocious, and rips off American music so much it's not funny. They really don't even try sometimes. 99 % of it is garbage.

I guess being born in America kind of ruins any chance of you liking the above, unless you grew up listening/watching them a lot.

 

[deepakvrao]

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: DigDug
I'm sorry if I was harsh on Freedomsbeat, especially after he offered to invite me. For that I'm sorry, Freedoms. However, what I said above was in response to what I've noticed about you. I'm a born and bread American, and am very Americanized in many ways. It was a difficult time growing up - I (and you, depending on how old you are) didn't have the public's empathy for all things Indian. There weren't any "Bindhi kits" in Border's back when I was a kid. In those days, I actually preferred invisibility as a minority to the sometimes negative feedback that I got. But, now is the time, bro. It's easier than ever to step out of your self-loathing and embrace being an indian. Stop with the endless efforts to try and craft yourself into something palatable by the white mainstream. They are good people, indeed, but you are NOT one of them. You stand to gain more from educating them about your culture, showing them and standing as an example of how much good exists in our Indian culture, rather than trying to hide it, or wipe it under the carpet. Respect is not gained by overt self-loathing, and if you are ever like the kids I knew, you are quick to put down your own in front of them.

Let me guess:
1. You just don't find indian girls attractive
2. You hate the term Desi" (oh wait, you already said that)
3. You hate indian music
4. You don't like to speak in Hind, Telegu, or whatever your mothertongue is, in public.
5. You get embarrased when you see another Indian "behaving" Indian.

You sure as hell write a lot.. But i'll reply to your questions:
1. No, too much damn facial hair
2. Yes, because it's misused..
3. I love classical indian music and pakistani music but just like I listen to Turkish music and world music in general.. Classical indian culture is fascinating to me... It's modern culture that bothers me..
4. I don't know how to speak Tamil... Why would need to, we're in the U.S. not Madras?
5. Eh, I ignore the parents who beat their kids in public or the guys who walk around in slippers and dresses...

Oh, and I love indian food and Satyajit Ray and Santosh Sivan are two of my favorite filmmakers..

YOU STINK and you have no idea what you are talking about

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Indian Movies = Good for a laugh every now and then. But I can't honestly sit through 80-90% without wanting to shoot myself. Same plots, storylines, etc. Gang Leader was a tight movie though, if anyone has ever seen it.

Indian Music = Absolutely atrocious, and rips off American music so much it's not funny. They really don't even try sometimes. 99 % of it is garbage.



I guess being born in America kind of ruins any chance of you liking the above, unless you grew up listening/watching them a lot.

There's some truth in that last statement. I came here when I really young, but my sister loved Bollywood movies/songs, so I became used to it. In some ways, the movies/songs then were better and, in others, the modern stuff is better. I still prefer the melodic styles of the past (e.g. R D Burman, Lata, Kishore Kumar, etc.).

Bollywood movies/songs should be taken for what they're aiming to be. Mindless entertainment for time passing. Once in a while, you'll get a really good effort (e.g. Mere Naam Joker, Lagaan).

I don't concern myself about those who either praise or condemn my culture too much. I know what I like about it and don't like about it and do the best I can with it.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao
Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.

On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.

Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Indian Movies = Good for a laugh every now and then. But I can't honestly sit through 80-90% without wanting to shoot myself. Same plots, storylines, etc. Gang Leader was a tight movie though, if anyone has ever seen it.

Indian Music = Absolutely atrocious, and rips off American music so much it's not funny. They really don't even try sometimes. 99 % of it is garbage.



I guess being born in America kind of ruins any chance of you liking the above, unless you grew up listening/watching them a lot.

So true about those mainstrean Indian movies and music. I would truly have to shoot myself during one of those (BTW,they are so long that they have two "intermissions" if you watch them in the theater). Some are tolerable, but the majority are ridiculous. However, India is home to a few absolutely beautiful films, pretty much any Satyajit Ray film qualifies, and even much of the Merchant Ivory material.

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
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Originally posted by: DigDug
Freedomsbeat212,

You hate the term Desi because you hate the fact that you you are Indian. I've read your posts, man, and can read you a mile away. I used to be the same way to a certain extent, trying so hard to align myself with white people, dropping my claims to membership, just like the "all my friends are cute punk rock girls" or "all my friends are white". Grow up, bro. You ARE indian, you are a brownie, you are dark, you are and always will be, and are percieved as such by everyone around you. Perhaps its the catholic upbringing that planted the seeds of self-loathing, since this self-hatred is very, very common among easterners that belong to western faiths. Learn to love your color and heritage, because noone else will do it for you, and even if you can snag some white girl to marry, you'll be sorely reminded of how very indian you are down the road. Being indian is wonderful, don't forget it.

Rant off.

I disaree. Being Indian sucks. Thank goodness I'm 4 generations away from that nasty culture.[/quote]

wow sucks to be you man, that must suck to hate yourself everytime you look in the mirror and everytime you wake up, y not just end sooner than later

Dogg

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao
Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.

On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.

Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Indian Movies = Good for a laugh every now and then. But I can't honestly sit through 80-90% without wanting to shoot myself. Same plots, storylines, etc. Gang Leader was a tight movie though, if anyone has ever seen it.

Indian Music = Absolutely atrocious, and rips off American music so much it's not funny. They really don't even try sometimes. 99 % of it is garbage.



I guess being born in America kind of ruins any chance of you liking the above, unless you grew up listening/watching them a lot.

So true about those mainstrean Indian movies and music. I would truly have to shoot myself during one of those (BTW,they are so long that they have two "intermissions" if you watch them in the theater). Some are tolerable, but the majority are ridiculous. However, India is home to a few absolutely beautiful films, pretty much any Satyajit Ray film qualifies, and even much of the Merchant Ivory material.

It is very 'arty' to say that Satyajit Rays films are great but you have to be mature to realise that India is much more than its bollywood [and I agree that they are lousy] movies.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Don't leave us in suspense, did Dig Dug get a desi connector?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

People in India hate you if you're not from the same freakin village as them.

When it comes down to it, the US/Canada are much more accepting of different people than places like India, Europe, etc. I can't even imagine what a black person would feel like in India.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

People in India hate you if you're not from the same freakin village as them.

When it comes down to it, the US/Canada are much more accepting of different people than places like India, Europe, etc. I can't even imagine what a black person would feel like in India.

I would say that is true. BTW, did you know that thier is actually a tiny Jewish community in South India? One branch of my family comes from there. Does that make me Indian an a way??


Also, I find it really sad that in a place as accepting and diverse as the US, someone like Freedomsbeat has such a hard time accepting himself.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Indian Movies = Good for a laugh every now and then. But I can't honestly sit through 80-90% without wanting to shoot myself. Same plots, storylines, etc. Gang Leader was a tight movie though, if anyone has ever seen it.



Indian Music = Absolutely atrocious, and rips off American music so much it's not funny. They really don't even try sometimes. 99 % of it is garbage.







I guess being born in America kind of ruins any chance of you liking the above, unless you grew up listening/watching them a lot.

So true about those mainstrean Indian movies and music. I would truly have to shoot myself during one of those (BTW,they are so long that they have two "intermissions" if you watch them in the theater). Some are tolerable, but the majority are ridiculous. However, India is home to a few absolutely beautiful films, pretty much any Satyajit Ray film qualifies, and even much of the Merchant Ivory material.

It is very 'arty' to say that Satyajit Rays films are great but you have to be mature to realise that India is much more than its bollywood [and I agree that they are lousy] movies.

No $hit sherlock. At what point did I reduce an entire nation to the popular films that come out of it?

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

People in India hate you if you're not from the same freakin village as them.

When it comes down to it, the US/Canada are much more accepting of different people than places like India, Europe, etc. I can't even imagine what a black person would feel like in India.

I would say that is true. BTW, did you know that thier is actually a tiny Jewish community in South India? One branch of my family comes from there. Does that make me Indian an a way??


Also, I find it really sad that in a place as accepting and diverse as the US, someone like Freedomsbeat has such a hard time accepting himself.

I've actually been there in Cochin; beautiful synagogue there by the way. It's been preserved for several centuries and it is still in absolutely pristine condition. If you're ever in Cochin, go to the Casino hotel for the most amazing seafood I have ever had. You get to pick your seafood from that day's catch and you can the chef prepare it in any way that you want. Try to have them do it in the traditional Kerala style and you will be eating some insanely good seafood. It takes a long time for them to prepare your selections (over and hour sometimes) but it is worth every minute of that wait. I've had seafood at some top restaurants in NY, Boston, LA, and Singapore but it is such a treat to have ocean fresh seafood made in a traditional Kerala style by a chef who really knows what he is doing. I had it over 8 years ago and I still can't forget it, I'm going to make a detour for Cochin on my trip to Bangalore this summer just for that seafood.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

a higher incidence of violent crimes against women

Now don't make me laugh! Tell me where female infanticide is more prevalent. How about dowry deaths? Tell me where women are still forced to perform Sati in some parts. How about jealous guys throwing acid on a girl's face? I've seen for myself the sexual frustration in India and the stupid things guys do to girls there.

Speaking of sex related crimes, do you know where some of the biggest red light districts in the world are? Sexual crimes happen all the time in India but the media just doesn't have the time to report them all. What happens in a village usually stays in the village. I've seen a random dude just grab a passing girl's breast in a pretty nice shopping area.

So you've seen all this first hand huh? Tell us exactly what you saw with your own eyes or again are you just spouting off third hand urban myth again? Which southern central state have you been to? What exactly happened to you that you consider discrimination?


I really hate to say such things about India, but if someone trash talks the US I defend it because there's so much good to say about the US. Similarly if someone trash talks India, I defend it because there are so many good things to say about India. There's so much good in both cultures and it would serve people well to acknowledge that and learn from those things. Admit the bad so that things can change for the better and learn from the good so you can better yourself.

Some people it seems simply have nothing better to do to perpetuate their prejudices.

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

a higher incidence of violent crimes against women

Now don't make me laugh! Tell me where female infanticide is more prevalent. How about dowry deaths? Tell me where women are still forced to perform Sati in some parts. How about jealous guys throwing acid on a girl's face? I've seen for myself the sexual frustration in India and the stupid things guys do to girls there.

Speaking of sex related crimes, do you know where some of the biggest red light districts in the world are? Sexual crimes happen all the time in India but the media just doesn't have the time to report them all. What happens in a village usually stays in the village. I've seen a random dude just grab a passing girl's breast in a pretty nice shopping area.

So you've seen all this first hand huh? Tell us exactly what you saw with your own eyes or again are you just spouting off third hand urban myth again? Which southern central state have you been to? What exactly happened to you that you consider discrimination?


I really hate to say such things about India, but if someone trash talks the US I defend it because there's so much good to say about the US. Similarly if someone trash talks India, I defend it because there are so many good things to say about India. There's so much good in both cultures and it would serve people well to acknowledge that and learn from those things. Admit the bad so that things can change for the better and learn from the good so you can better yourself.

Some people it seems simply have nothing better to do to perpetuate their prejudices.

All stats show a higher violent crimes rate in the US. Racial discrimination in the US is reported in your own media such as Newsweek and Time [unless ofcourse thats also a crock of $hit?]. When was the last time that you were in India. We have a lot of problems but violence on a scale like the US is certainly not one of them.

You could see the racial divide so openly after the O J Simpson verdict. Dont tell me I have to see THAT first hand- it was reported on TV world wide. What about the Rodney King episode? Also third hand $hit?

I am certainly not denying that the US is a fabulous land of opportunity but to completely run down your country of origin is downright shameful.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao



Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.







On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.







Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

a higher incidence of violent crimes against women

Now don't make me laugh! Tell me where female infanticide is more prevalent. How about dowry deaths? Tell me where women are still forced to perform Sati in some parts. How about jealous guys throwing acid on a girl's face? I've seen for myself the sexual frustration in India and the stupid things guys do to girls there.



Speaking of sex related crimes, do you know where some of the biggest red light districts in the world are? Sexual crimes happen all the time in India but the media just doesn't have the time to report them all. What happens in a village usually stays in the village. I've seen a random dude just grab a passing girl's breast in a pretty nice shopping area.



So you've seen all this first hand huh? Tell us exactly what you saw with your own eyes or again are you just spouting off third hand urban myth again? Which southern central state have you been to? What exactly happened to you that you consider discrimination?





I really hate to say such things about India, but if someone trash talks the US I defend it because there's so much good to say about the US. Similarly if someone trash talks India, I defend it because there are so many good things to say about India. There's so much good in both cultures and it would serve people well to acknowledge that and learn from those things. Admit the bad so that things can change for the better and learn from the good so you can better yourself.



Some people it seems simply have nothing better to do to perpetuate their prejudices.

All stats show a higher violent crimes rate in the US. Racial discrimination in the US is reported in your own media such as Newsweek and Time [unless ofcourse thats also a crock of $hit?]. When was the last time that you were in India. We have a lot of problems but violence on a scale like the US is certainly not one of them.



You could see the racial divide so openly after the O J Simpson verdict. Dont tell me I have to see THAT first hand- it was reported on TV world wide. What about the Rodney King episode? Also third hand $hit?



I am certainly not denying that the US is a fabulous land of opportunity but to completely run down your country of origin is downright shameful.

lol

India certainly doesn't have violence on the scale of the US. It's ten-fold! Mass-scale riots with hundreds, possibly thousands dead, is pretty bad.

Yes, racism is everywhere in the world, but racism in North American is much less than elsewhere in the world. I think the fact that racism is well-reported means that it's a good thing (it means that the society isn't ignoring a problem). Also, let's not forget India's caste discrimination.

 

[sxr7171]

Deepakvrao:

I'm not running down India, and if you can read properly you'd see that I support India whenever I need to. I'm just pointing out facts. Sure, the truth hurts but things won't change if you can't accept the truth. Keep thinking that you live in a perfect world. I am pointing out things that happen on a regular basis in India and still these things are mostly kept under wraps but for a few NGOs which are trying to change things for the better by publicizing these things. Most people know about these tragedies but nobody wants to talk about them, nobody cares to make a change because they think that things are perfect in India. You mention a few magazine articles to back up your "I saw it first hand" quote. Are you backing out of your words now? I thought you said you saw it first hand. Or are you always drawing widespread conclusions about a society from a few news articles and then claiming to say you have first hand experience? One thing I won't do is to take a magazine article and judge an country based on the opinion of some editorial.

We have a few things that happen here that we analyze in our media. Our newspapers talk about the things that happen, every little thing that happens in the US is reported so we can introspectively analyze what is happening here. There are hundreds of unreported crimes that happen in India everyday - and you know it. I need to point this out to you so you don't run around with a "holier than thou" attiude that seems quite rampant both in the US and in India. There are problems in both countries but in the US people are not afraid to publicize them and face them so we can make a change for the better. You seem to think by sweeping problems under the rug they simply don't exist anymore. Make sure you get the point this time.

BTW, if you had actually lived here you'd know that there were black people who felt the OJ deserved to go to jail and many white people who were outraged by the Rodney King incident. This is not a country of people who form opinions blindly or based on blind allegience, most people at least try to examine issues without prejudice. Of course some people do form opinions based on prejudices, but they everywhere in the world. In no way am I saying that the US is utopia, and I could say many things wrong with how things work here, and if you read the forums regularly you'll see that people (myself included) are quite vocal about those things.

 

[oslama]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
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Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
You guys should watch: Company, Aab Tak Chappan, Samay, and this other movie that I forgot..it's new with Saif Ali Khan and Urmila. Very nice movies, totally different from typical indian movies. Watch them with an open mind.

And about htis whole desi topic, nothing wrong to be proud of being Indian...I know I am. But if someone else isn't, leave them be..don't force it on them cause you'll just make go farther away from it.

Company was BAS ASS![/quote]

not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...but it was my favorite movie.[/quote]

No I am being for real. I saw it, it was a gangsta/mafia movie. Straight to the point, none of that songs in the meadow and other cliche stuff.[/quote]


Also checkout 'Takshak'

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: sxr7171
Deepakvrao:

I'm not running down India, and if you can read properly you'd see that I support India whenever I need to. I'm just pointing out facts. Sure, the truth hurts but things won't change if you can't accept the truth. Keep thinking that you live in a perfect world. I am pointing out things that happen on a regular basis in India and still these things are mostly kept under wraps but for a few NGOs which are trying to change things for the better by publicizing these things. Most people know about these tragedies but nobody wants to talk about them, nobody cares to make a change because they think that things are perfect in India. You mention a few magazine articles to back up your "I saw it first hand" quote. Are you backing out of your words now? I thought you said you saw it first hand. Or are you always drawing widespread conclusions about a society from a few news articles and then claiming to say you have first hand experience? One thing I won't do is to take a magazine article and judge an country based on the opinion of some editorial.

We have a few things that happen here that we analyze in our media. Our newspapers talk about the things that happen, every little thing that happens in the US is reported so we can introspectively analyze what is happening here. There are hundreds of unreported crimes that happen in India everyday - and you know it. I need to point this out to you so you don't run around with a "holier than thou" attiude that seems quite rampant both in the US and in India. There are problems in both countries but in the US people are not afraid to publicize them and face them so we can make a change for the better. You seem to think by sweeping problems under the rug they simply don't exist anymore. Make sure you get the point this time.

BTW, if you had actually lived here you'd know that there were black people who felt the OJ deserved to go to jail and many white people who were outraged by the Rodney King incident. This is not a country of people who form opinions blindly or based on blind allegience, most people at least try to examine issues without prejudice. Of course some people do form opinions based on prejudices, but they everywhere in the world. In no way am I saying that the US is utopia, and I could say many things wrong with how things work here, and if you read the forums regularly you'll see that people (myself included) are quite vocal about those things.

I actually agree with a number of things that you have said. What gets my goat is the number of posts here that rubbish India blindly, unequivocally and without basis, probably from a number of people who have never lived here. I do not have a "holier than thou attitude". I realize that we have our problems and so does the US [we more than you'll] but what is achieved by the first few guys in this thread running down EVERYTHINg about their country of origin? And make no mistake you can never erase your country of origin from your persona.

 

[athithi]

deepakvrao:

We have a lot of problems but violence on a scale like the US is certainly not one of them.

You are holding the higher standard of life in the US against it. The US is a more civilized society than modern day India. Either you lead an incredibly sheltered life back in India or your patriotism is making you biased. Sure, the US has its share of problems. But the way they've been handling it is a lesson for the rest of the world. Frankly, the US is boring as hell - but it's damn safe and the people are way more civilized, if a bit insular, here. Even the boredom mostly comes out of the unimaginable sense of security and material comfort - which probably explains the adventurous (and sometimes misadventurous 😉 ) nature of Americans. You pick out one Rodney King incident in the last 15 years as if that's typical of life here - but it happens every other day in India in almost every singe state and is still not indicative of the average society back there.

The violence does not affect a significant majority of the people in India - atleast not on a direct or personal manner. But it does happen and to ignore it is as unpatriotic as you can get.

However, I must say that most Americans don't have the slightest clue about what India is like and even sporadic news about violence gives them the impression that it's all chaotic and dangerous out there. But that's how the American media reports things here. Unless it's sensational, they don't bother reporting about it. I laughed for 15 minutes straight when an American colleague recently told me he would never want go to India because we don't have air-conditioning there :laugh: But the response to that is not to pretend that 9 out of 10 Indians can enjoy the comfort of an air-conditioned environment. Heck, the common man doesn't even have access clean drinking water most of the time!

sxr7171 is absolutely correct about first honestly facing the truth to be able to fix the problem.

 

[sxr7171]

And make no mistake you can never erase your country of origin from your persona.

I completely agree with this. You better believe that when I come across people that trash India and everything about India I try my best to set them straight. They will never understand the beauty there is in India. I have met some of the nicest people I have known in India, and I will never forget my life in India. I think people (especially those of Indian ancestry) speaking ill of India without ever having been there are completely out of line.

BTW, are you from Bangalore? If so I'm going to be there in June and July.

 

[deepakvrao]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

And make no mistake you can never erase your country of origin from your persona.

I completely agree with this. You better believe that when I come across people that trash India and everything about India I try my best to set them straight. They will never understand the beauty there is in India. I have met some of the nicest people I have known in India, and I will never forget my life in India. I think people (especially those of Indian ancestry) speaking ill of India without ever having been there are completely out of line.

BTW, are you from Bangalore? If so I'm going to be there in June and July.

I agree with you entirely. In fact I am a big supporter of the US when it is maligned here but on the other hand I will absolutely not take $hit about India either.

I am in bangalore and feel free to mail

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: deepakvrao

Yes sure, as if you never f violence in the US. You guys have MUCH more violence, hatred and discrimination in the US than we have in India.

That's a crock of $hit, quite frankly. I've seen the eruption of religious clashes in India with my own eyes. Granted that it is rare and only few get involved it is no different from the occasional violence that occurs here in the US. People in India will discrminate against you if you are too dark, or of the wrong religion or are of a different caste. In fact I have never seen such a group of divisive people as I seen in India. On the surface everyone gets along well, but there's always that prejudice in the back of people's minds that prevents them from truly mixing with each other.



On a related note, I can assure you that there is less prejudice in the US regarding people of the African race than there is among Indians living in India.



Have you ever been to the US or are you just spouting out third hand perception?

You have more violence in schools, a higher incidence of violent crimes against women, a much higher rate of sex related crimes, massive discrimination in the southern central states, a much higher incidence of urban violent crimes than India. And yes I have seen this first hand in your glorious land.

People in India hate you if you're not from the same freakin village as them.

When it comes down to it, the US/Canada are much more accepting of different people than places like India, Europe, etc. I can't even imagine what a black person would feel like in India.

they actually enjoy it. I was talking to some South African ladies who were coming back from a trip to India (they visitied Jaipur, Agra, etc..) and they really enjoyed their vacation there. Plus a lot of Nigerians & Tanzanians I know of who enjoyed their stay in India. but then these guys enjoy the culture quite a bit (indian movies are popular in those countries and chances are the locals know who Lata Mangeshkar and Amitabh Bhachan are <seriously>.

As for hte village, that's simply not true. For the most peart, people are cool with one another. Sure there is some difference between groups of poeple, but thats only from the extremist. If your gonna paint a picture, paint the whole canvas, not just one part of it.

But yes I agree US/Canada is much more accepting of difference people, but thats because the entire country is based on multiculturalism. Canada wouldn't be Canada with the hordes of different races/ethnic groups that inhabit it.

For the music comment to the guy who said Indian music sucks. Please. Go listen to old Mohammed Rafi, Kishore Kuma,r and Lata Mangeshkar songs from the 60s/70s and tell me they suck. Listen to most of the music that A.R. Rahman composes/produces and tell me it sucks. Listen to the classical music by Swapan Chaudary, Ravi Shankar, Zakir Hussain, etc.. and tell me it sucks.

Hell, listen to the entire soundtrack of a movie called "Meenaxi", especially the song "Noor Al A Noor"