I Used To Be a Neocon

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
From reading AT for so long yes, Conjur was pro-war and all that other bs at one point waaaay back, but he was not afraid and smart enough to realize

caring for your country does not mean swallowing bs to held the line, it takes a critical analysis of what needs to be fixed.

Not the lazy way out of listening to whatever tripe the administration feeds you.

Question is why haven't you all woke up with all the evidence and the fact the neocons have been wrong about everything.

Conservative and the word slow, and constipated come to mind, a mind that is stuck without realizing there is more to life then

covering up someone elses's bvllsh1t at this point though with so many facts at hand I sadly have to admit some of you people revel in the corruption and condone it.

Making you enemies of the constitution and our fine country without the excuse of ignorance.

Please, STOP using the Enter key.. just STOP!

go away troll, didn't you already whine and swear you were leaving?

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

You people don't logically analyze information. You twist the information to fit your agenda.

See: Iraq.

This is a nice case of the pot calling the kettle black. Damn near everyone on this forum does this to some extent. Crimson and other conservatives do it no more than you do. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying don't complain about it when you do the exact same thing.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
From reading AT for so long yes, Conjur was pro-war and all that other bs at one point waaaay back, but he was not afraid and smart enough to realize

caring for your country does not mean swallowing bs to held the line, it takes a critical analysis of what needs to be fixed.

Not the lazy way out of listening to whatever tripe the administration feeds you.

Question is why haven't you all woke up with all the evidence and the fact the neocons have been wrong about everything.

Conservative and the word slow, and constipated come to mind, a mind that is stuck without realizing there is more to life then

covering up someone elses's bvllsh1t at this point though with so many facts at hand I sadly have to admit some of you people revel in the corruption and condone it.

Making you enemies of the constitution and our fine country without the excuse of ignorance.

That's not how I remember things. Conjur is pretty much the same as he's always been (except much worse now).

From my memory, I think he supported the Afghan War. I did and still do also.

From my memory, I thought he was always against the Iraq War. I did at the time too (because I thought we still needed to finish the job in Afghanistan and it was too soon to start another war in the Middle East -- we needed some time to heal and another war would just escalate the hatred most of the Middle East has for us ).

Now all he does is post one negative story after another -- giving most the impression that he would rather be right than have things go well for us.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...I wonder if you have the same opinion of this guy

The difference is that Cad never claimed to be liberal at one point or even sympathize to the best of my knowledge with liberal ideology --- which is a stark contrast to your touting on a regular basis your former "conservatism" and your subsequent revelation

I am not saying that you weren't pro war, but the fact is that you don't make that apparent in these posts...most I would imagine upon reading the responses here..seem to get the impression that you used to be a die hard conservative and have converted...which isn't the case.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
From reading AT for so long yes, Conjur was pro-war and all that other bs at one point waaaay back, but he was not afraid and smart enough to realize

caring for your country does not mean swallowing bs to held the line, it takes a critical analysis of what needs to be fixed.

Not the lazy way out of listening to whatever tripe the administration feeds you.

Question is why haven't you all woke up with all the evidence and the fact the neocons have been wrong about everything.

Conservative and the word slow, and constipated come to mind, a mind that is stuck without realizing there is more to life then

covering up someone elses's bvllsh1t at this point though with so many facts at hand I sadly have to admit some of you people revel in the corruption and condone it.

Making you enemies of the constitution and our fine country without the excuse of ignorance.

That's not how I remember things. Conjur is pretty much the same as he's always been (except much worse now).

From my memory, I think he supported the Afghan War. I did and still do also.

From my memory, I thought he was always against the Iraq War. I did at the time too (because I thought we still needed to finish the job in Afghanistan and it was too soon to start another war in the Middle East -- we needed some time to heal and another war would just escalate the hatred most of the Middle East has for us ).

Now all he does is post one negative story after another -- giving most the impression that he would rather be right than have things go well for us.

if things were going fine there would be no need to critisize, I have better things to do then worry about the future of our country.

But events shown to be of such a serious nature make us feel the need to put the spotlight on them.

Espically when they affect us directly and on a personal level as americans.

America was never this divided, there is something seriously wrong for so many to be in a outcry, and noone can brush that off as hype. it's fact.

We are a proud country that stands up for injustices and what we feel is wrong, to critisize a fellow american for doing what is just is a pretty sad state of affairs.

 

[piasabird]

I have often thought that our leaders do not have a clue. I did not think this war was a good idea when we started it and I know the terrorists would crawl out of the woodwork if we tried to do anything good or worthwhile in the middle east. I tried to voice my separate but equal stance of non-interference in middle-east affairs, but here we go again. I dont see why we even try to help any country in the middle east in any way. They all want to kill each other or anyone they can focus their hate on. The USA makes such a good target because we represent what the east hates; freedom, democracy, and personal responsibility.

I can't help wondering if we can ever do any good over there. Are muslims worth helping at all? Do they have any redeeming values? I can not think of any. . .

I wonder if we would be better off just blowing up all the pipelines, refineries, and oil wells over there and letting them all go back to their tribal ways. I think perhaps the only reason we are interested in helping them is we want to be able to buy their oil. Kind of sad in a way.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
From reading AT for so long yes, Conjur was pro-war and all that other bs at one point waaaay back, but he was not afraid and smart enough to realize

caring for your country does not mean swallowing bs to held the line, it takes a critical analysis of what needs to be fixed.

Not the lazy way out of listening to whatever tripe the administration feeds you.

Question is why haven't you all woke up with all the evidence and the fact the neocons have been wrong about everything.

Conservative and the word slow, and constipated come to mind, a mind that is stuck without realizing there is more to life then

covering up someone elses's bvllsh1t at this point though with so many facts at hand I sadly have to admit some of you people revel in the corruption and condone it.

Making you enemies of the constitution and our fine country without the excuse of ignorance.

That's not how I remember things. Conjur is pretty much the same as he's always been (except much worse now).

From my memory, I think he supported the Afghan War. I did and still do also.

From my memory, I thought he was always against the Iraq War. I did at the time too (because I thought we still needed to finish the job in Afghanistan and it was too soon to start another war in the Middle East -- we needed some time to heal and another war would just escalate the hatred most of the Middle East has for us ).

Now all he does is post one negative story after another -- giving most the impression that he would rather be right than have things go well for us.

Not my fault the news is all negative. I keep telling people to post the warm and fuzzies but, guess what? NO ONE DOES.


Gee....wonder why that is?





P.S. You'll never get laid.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I have often thought that our leaders do not have a clue. I did not think this war was a good idea when we started it and I know the terrorists would crawl out of the woodwork if we tried to do anything good or worthwhile in the middle east. I tried to voice my separate but equal stance of non-interference in middle-east affairs, but here we go again. I dont see why we even try to help any country in the middle east in any way. They all want to kill each other or anyone they can focus their hate on. The USA makes such a good target because we represent what the east hates; freedom, democracy, and personal responsibility.

I can't help wondering if we can ever do any good over there. Are muslims worth helping at all? Do they have any redeeming values? I can not think of any. . .

I wonder if we would be better off just blowing up all the pipelines, refineries, and oil wells over there and letting them all go back to their tribal ways. I think perhaps the only reason we are interested in helping them is we want to be able to buy their oil. Kind of sad in a way.

Thanks for exposing your bigotry.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I have often thought that our leaders do not have a clue. I did not think this war was a good idea when we started it and I know the terrorists would crawl out of the woodwork if we tried to do anything good or worthwhile in the middle east. I tried to voice my separate but equal stance of non-interference in middle-east affairs, but here we go again. I dont see why we even try to help any country in the middle east in any way. They all want to kill each other or anyone they can focus their hate on. The USA makes such a good target because we represent what the east hates; freedom, democracy, and personal responsibility.

I can't help wondering if we can ever do any good over there. Are muslims worth helping at all? Do they have any redeeming values? I can not think of any. . .

I wonder if we would be better off just blowing up all the pipelines, refineries, and oil wells over there and letting them all go back to their tribal ways. I think perhaps the only reason we are interested in helping them is we want to be able to buy their oil. Kind of sad in a way.

thanks for your honesty....people would have a lot more respect for the right if you would just come out and say you are bigoted racists out for raping the world with a iron fist.

cheers!

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Crimson
They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information.

Let's be logical:

We were told the reason we were going to war was WMDs. They don't exist.

We were told the reason we were going to war was because of "overwhelming evidence" that showed a connection between Saddam and international terrorism. The evidence is non-existent.

And after the previous two were FACTS were established, we were told it was faulty intelligence that mislead the administration. But now, with the release of the latest British memos, we KNOW that virtually none of the so-called evidence in support of the war was supported by the American intelligence community, that the adminstration had already decided to go to war, and was selectively assembling the "intelligence" to construct an argument with which they could justify the invasion. In other words, the adminstration wasn't mislead, they were doing the misleading.

These are not opinions. These are not debatable issues. These are facts.

So explain where your "logic" comes in? I don't see any. I see unsubstantiated belief.

 

[MAW1082]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

Exactly. Everyone who doesn't hate Bush or the War obviously watches FOX, listens to Rush, and has a bring it on sticker on their car. :roll:

See my sig for a better written analysis of a "reality check".

CsG

Hey, CAD I read you sig . . . ummm how do I say this . . . I need a job in control systems . . . uhhh . . . oh man . . . I guess you're the woring person to be asking . . . lol

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
Thanks for exposing your bigotry.

Thanks for glossing over my post and responding to this drivel instead with more drivel.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: conjur
Then you suck at searching.

I don't think AT keeps a very extensive archive. The period in question is probably too far in the past to be available.

It's there. Some may still be in Off-Topic as P&N wasn't created yet.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...I wonder if you have the same opinion of this guy

The difference is that Cad never claimed to be liberal at one point or even sympathize to the best of my knowledge with liberal ideology --- which is a stark contrast to your touting on a regular basis your former "conservatism" and your subsequent revelation

I am not saying that you weren't pro war, but the fact is that you don't make that apparent in these posts...most I would imagine upon reading the responses here..seem to get the impression that you used to be a die hard conservative and have converted...which isn't the case.

That's BS. You're accusing this article's writer as having been a liberal his whole life and just looking for some attention. If that's the case, then the person in CsG's article is obviously a far-right conservative and is making stuff up to make himself look like he's distancing himself from the left.

You really love to have your cake and eat it, too, don't you?

 

[Gaard]

People are stupid. Or lazy. Or both. It's kind of pathetic that people can take the time to type out a response but won't bother using the damn search function.

For the record, conjur was just as brain-washed as some of you still are.

Use the damn search function.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: conjur
Then you suck at searching.

I don't think AT keeps a very extensive archive. The period in question is probably too far in the past to be available.

It's there. Some may still be in Off-Topic as P&N wasn't created yet.

Well, uh, shut my mouth.

http://forums.anandtech.com/searchresul...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Conjur does sound just like some of the other unsavory types here. Only unsavory because I think he's wrong though... or maybe I just don't find him unsavory now because I think he's right. Uh, hmm...

By the way, use that link, all you lazy bastards (you know who you are). I just did your work for you.