I Used To Be a Neocon

conjur

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Two years ago I was a neocon. I supported Bush?s war on Iraq and I called everyone who didn?t a liberal Kool-aid drinker. I voted for Bush in 2000 and I listened to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and just about any right-winger on the radio that I could get a four-word talking point from to use against liberals. I would say things such as "liberals won?t defend America," "shut up and sing," "freedom is on the march," and "you?re a great American." I supported the war at first because I bought into the lies and propaganda.

I no longer do. I?m a recovering neocon.

The fact is, the neocon movement is a lot like a cult. I don?t remember how I got so involved and the details are hazy on how I got out. I just woke up one day and said "WTF!" and then ran outside to rip the "bring it on" sticker off of my car bumper. What pulled me in to the neocon cult however was a combination of American nationalism and group mentality. It was a time when questioning the government?s response to Iraq divided you between being with your country and government at a time of need, or against them. I wanted to be with them.

So this cult took me in and I watched Fox News, I bought Factor Gear and I was brainwashed into common reflexes for liberals and dissenters. When I heard dissent in the media over Iraq I?d call it liberal bias. If someone presented me any website that mentioned a "war for oil" or the phrase "illegal war" I would blow the site off as conspiracy hogwash. When someone would talk ill of the President and his march to war, I would call them a liberal and anti-American. When someone would say that Saddam was not a threat after I was done calling them part of the liberal "hate America" crowd, I would launch into a diatribe that Saddam was Hitler-like and hell bent on world domination. If someone persisted I would take out my wild card:

"Saddam believes he?s the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar, and he?s harboring Al Queda!"

I couldn?t believe these liberals. I was outraged. The audacity of them to question our President during a time of war! I listened to similar sentiments on right wing radio while driving to work to reinforce my belief.

Little did I know at the time, but I was an important part of the neocon movement. I was but a tiny wheel in the machine of neoconservatism, but the survival of the neocon agenda depends on millions of us tiny wheels, or it cannot go anywhere. Most of all the neocon agenda depends on a much bigger wheel, the media. For the neocon machine to roll, the big wheel of the media must pull the millions of tiny wheels without the tiny wheels knowing they are being pulled.

This is a difficult trick that requires the media to be an active participant in government deception. To imply that they do so knowingly would be too conspiratorial, and it would be too grand an operation to be plausible. In truth, the mainstream media doesn?t believe they are participating in lies.

During the build-up to the war they were being pulled without knowing it, by the engine of the U. S. government. This swarm of nationalism begat a pro-American media, a complacent media, a lapdog media and a corporate media that to this day will not inform the American public.

When the Bush Administration was found to be creating fake news propaganda for public consumption the media did not inform the public. When the Bush administration marched towards pre-emptive war with Iraq the media was a lapdog instead of a watchdog. When the Bush administration described the assault on the Iraqi public as Shock and Awe, the media used that phrase to scroll alongside the words "War on Terror" without questioning if the assault on Iraq had anything to do with terrorism. When the Bush Administration tore into the U. S. Constitution with the Patriot Act, causing the illegal imprisonment of American citizens while denying them counsel, the media acted more like a timid cocker spaniel than an aggressive Doberman pincher, and failed to defend a sacred American document. When the UK?s Downing Street memo implicated the Bush Administration as being hell bent on a pre-emptive invasion on Iraq before even going to the UN, the American media was silent and once again failed to inform the public.

But the tiny wheels still want to call the media liberal. The tiny wheels still want to say the media isn?t reporting the good things happening in Iraq. Most of all the tiny wheels do not know about the big wheel that?s pulling them. But now I do. That?s why I am an ex-neocon and I am in recovery. It?s more clear to me now than ever that the most American thing one can do is speak out against the actions of their country because it means you love your country.

And in the end it doesn?t matter if we are liberals or conservatives because all that matters is that we are on the side of the U.S. Constitution and of international law. Both of which have been thrown into the toilet by this administration. At least the Qur?an has company.
Bravo, Drew! Bravo!

I was in the same boat as he about 18 months ago but I saw the light and have recovered and now see the path of destruction we're being lead down.

This country's only hope is that more and more people start waking up!
 

Crimson

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Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

You people don't logically analyze information. You twist the information to fit your agenda.

See: Iraq.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

Exactly. Everyone who doesn't hate Bush or the War obviously watches FOX, listens to Rush, and has a bring it on sticker on their car. :roll:

See my sig for a better written analysis of a "reality check".

CsG
 

KK

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Originally posted by: conjur
I Used To Be a Neocon

cough...bullsh1t....cough.....

Prove me wrong and show me one post from your neocon days.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.
Are you calling this writer a liar?
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

Exactly. Everyone who doesn't hate Bush or the War obviously watches FOX, listens to Rush, and has a bring it on sticker on their car. :roll:

See my sig for a better written analysis of a "reality check".

CsG


He didn't say that at all. If I think somebody is wrong, I don't think they made a logical analysis of the information. They either didn't, or used incorrect information to begin with. Neither of those scenarios makes me think very highly of that person.

Of course, I'm still willing to have civil discussions with those who I believe are wrong, regardless of my opinion of them. Conjur was making no personal attacks. He was describing his own realization.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.

Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
 

BBond

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I believe you two are confused. Conjur isn't claiming to have been a neocon. The writer of the OP, Drew O'Neill, is.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: BBond
I believe you two are confused. Conjur isn't claiming to have been a neocon. The writer of the OP, Drew O'Neill, is.

Damn you are dense, huh? Conjur said he was in the same boat as the writer.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.

Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG


Gotta agree with you there. Most people who support the war almost definitely don't support it for the reasons the neocons do. Most people support the war (I believe) because of their fear of the middle east in general and their "Super Villian" complex regarding Saddam specifically. The neocons have a much more sophisticated and much more intricate plan for the middle east and the "War on Terrorism", to which the majority of the war supporting population is not (I don't think) savvy.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.

Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
Where did I ever say I was a neocon? The title is from the article. I said I was in the same boat as he meaning I was for the war. I used to watch Hannity and Colmes and actually enjoyed Hannity. I voted for the Propagandist in 2000. If that made me a neocon, so be it. I don't think I was and perhaps the author is using the term improperly but, if you have a problem with that, talk to him. I didn't write the title.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.

You people don't logically analyze information. You twist the information to fit your agenda.

See: Iraq.

"You people".. who exactly are "You people"?
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.
Are you calling this writer a liar?

I am, in a way. I don't doubt that he supported the action in Iraq and now no longer does. But if he were truly of a neoconservative philosophy, he would understand that being so is about so much more than military action in Iraq, just as being a neoliberal is about so much more than favoring paygo. Further, if he were truly a neoconservative, he would understand the larger picture regarding Iraq, that it never was about, from a neoconservative perspective, simple platitudes like freedom being on the march. Nor would he watch FoxNews or lisen to Rush.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.
Are you calling this writer a liar?

No, I'm calling you a intolerant elitist who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is stupid or brainwashed.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.

Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
Where did I ever say I was a neocon? The title is from the article. I said I was in the same boat as he meaning I was for the war. I used to watch Hannity and Colmes and actually enjoyed Hannity. I voted for the Propagandist in 2000. If that made me a neocon, so be it. I don't think I was and perhaps the author is using the term improperly but, if you have a problem with that, talk to him. I didn't write the title.

I was in the same boat as he about 18 months ago but I saw the light and have recovered and now see the path of destruction we're being lead down.

You didn't state that in your OP?:confused: You didn't later tell KK to go search the archives defending it when challenged?

...I think we have a case of conjur trying to slither out of this one...

CsG

 

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And in the end it doesn?t matter if we are liberals or conservatives because all that matters is that we are on the side of the U.S. Constitution and of international law. Both of which have been thrown into the toilet by this administration.

This sums it up pretty d@mn well....imo.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Right, because everyone who disagrees with your is either stupid or sleeping. They couldn't POSSIBLY actually believe what they do based on a logical analysis of the information. More tolerance from Conjur.
Are you calling this writer a liar?

No, I'm calling you a intolerant elitist who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is stupid or brainwashed.
:laugh:

That's a good one. Now, go off and play with bozack.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.
Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
Where did I ever say I was a neocon? The title is from the article. I said I was in the same boat as he meaning I was for the war. I used to watch Hannity and Colmes and actually enjoyed Hannity. I voted for the Propagandist in 2000. If that made me a neocon, so be it. I don't think I was and perhaps the author is using the term improperly but, if you have a problem with that, talk to him. I didn't write the title.
I was in the same boat as he about 18 months ago but I saw the light and have recovered and now see the path of destruction we're being lead down.

You didn't state that in your OP?:confused: You didn't later tell KK to go search the archives defending it when challenged?

...I think we have a case of conjur trying to slither out of this one...

CsG
Excuse me for thinking people up here, esp. the likes of you, would know me a bit better than that and would see what I meant to convey. :roll:
 

KK

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.
Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
Where did I ever say I was a neocon? The title is from the article. I said I was in the same boat as he meaning I was for the war. I used to watch Hannity and Colmes and actually enjoyed Hannity. I voted for the Propagandist in 2000. If that made me a neocon, so be it. I don't think I was and perhaps the author is using the term improperly but, if you have a problem with that, talk to him. I didn't write the title.
I was in the same boat as he about 18 months ago but I saw the light and have recovered and now see the path of destruction we're being lead down.

You didn't state that in your OP?:confused: You didn't later tell KK to go search the archives defending it when challenged?

...I think we have a case of conjur trying to slither out of this one...

CsG
Excuse me for thinking people up here, esp. the likes of you, would know me a bit better than that and would see what I meant to convey. :roll:

Oh nice cover up there troll boy.
 

conjur

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LOL!

Yeah...right. I'm covering up. Where have I ever claimed up here to be a neocon? Note the title of the article was NOT written by me.



How about we get back ON-TOPIC and discuss the CONTENT of the article. You all can leave the personal attacks for another time, k?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Go search the archives, KK.
Yes, we all know you claim to have been a Republican and/or Conservative -but a neocon? Dunno If I buy that. Just because you supported either/both wars does not make you a neocon -but I'm sure some of you on the far left think it does.

CsG
Where did I ever say I was a neocon? The title is from the article. I said I was in the same boat as he meaning I was for the war. I used to watch Hannity and Colmes and actually enjoyed Hannity. I voted for the Propagandist in 2000. If that made me a neocon, so be it. I don't think I was and perhaps the author is using the term improperly but, if you have a problem with that, talk to him. I didn't write the title.
I was in the same boat as he about 18 months ago but I saw the light and have recovered and now see the path of destruction we're being lead down.

You didn't state that in your OP?:confused: You didn't later tell KK to go search the archives defending it when challenged?

...I think we have a case of conjur trying to slither out of this one...

CsG
Excuse me for thinking people up here, esp. the likes of you, would know me a bit better than that and would see what I meant to convey. :roll:

Oh nice cover up there troll boy.

Yep.

~~~~* <- conjur trying to slither away from it...

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: conjur
LOL!

Yeah...right. I'm covering up. Where have I ever claimed up here to be a neocon? Note the title of the article was NOT written by me.



How about we get back ON-TOPIC and discuss the CONTENT of the article. You all can leave the personal attacks for another time, k?