I tweeted about diversity and got hammered by haters

[Fern]

By saying this:

So if I'm a white man and say Argument X, I'm wrong. If I'm a black man and say Argument X, I'm right.
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In response to this:

Your original loaded question:

If I found data suggested that blacks will become a smaller percentage of the population by 2045, and greeted that as a positive development, what could I expect the reaction to be?
​

My reply defusing your loaded question:

If you were a black man in a black majority country singing the praises of diversity over racial homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be good.​

If, on the other hand you were a white man in a white majority country celebrating the end of diversity and a return to homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be the same any racist sees.
​

Your straw man is in intentionally ignoring the context and reframing my argument into something is most certainly is not. Probably because you had a response ready for any reply to your loaded question but did not expect it to be defused by someone who would deconstruct it putting both under strict context and shutting you down.

You see, in my post, both white and black men are able to be both right or wrong based NOT on color, but the context of their statement. The key is the context, not the color.

Maybe if I add this little but of intellectual training wheels onto my post it will help you:

And conversely:

If you were a white man in a white majority country singing the praises of diversity over racial homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be good.​

If, on the other hand you were a black man in a black majority country celebrating the end of diversity and a return to homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be the same any racist sees.​

That I have to explain this to you is pathetic. Maybe take some time to read my post more slowly and take your time understanding context.

If that doesn't help, I can't help you.

Jeebus, that's some confusing shit.

WTH does this phrase mean?

...,"the reaction would be the same any racist sees."

Fern​

 

[Amused]

Jeebus, that's some confusing shit.

WTH does this phrase mean?

Fern​

What reaction does a racist get from society at large for being racist?

It's really not confusing. It was pretty obvious. That I had to put the intellectual training wheels on and spell it out for francis here made it seem a hell of a lot more confusing than it was.

 

[jackstar7]

nu-Troll seems unstable. Hope he gets a software patch soon.

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't know a thing about me. You couldn't keep up intellectually or physically. Your a worthless piece of shit jerking off to your fan club. A brainless automaton spewing catchphrases that requires zero effort. I'll go where I please. For this minute, it's here. I'll be leaving soon enough, and you can return to your self important jizz fest, and go to bed tonight thinking you made a real difference in the world, and showed that "racist" what the world is about :rollseyes:

Remarkable how quickly the language of hatred comes out.

 

[brycejones]

Jeebus, that's some confusing shit.

WTH does this phrase mean?

Fern​

You need to turn up your processing speed.

 

[jackstar7]

Funny to see so many folks confused about who the bad guys are in O Brother, Where Art Thou?

 

[mikeymikec]

Funny to see so many folks confused about who the bad guys are in O Brother, Where Art Thou?

It would be if that was all there was to it. I'm honestly worried that WW3 is going to be so similar to WW2 like it was plagiarised by a poor author who tries to change trifling details to pass it off as their own.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What you posted is racist. You might have thought you did it in a sneaky way but it's the same thing as saying the US would be better off with fewer white people.

Poor people are breeding at a higher rate and that's bad for the US, not just the members of society that result from poverty and less parental supervision per child, but also the strain on the welfare system which was not meant to reward unmarried women for popping out more kids as a career.

You're out of your mind if you think that is a good thing.

No it isn't. He's not saying white people suck, he's saying its good to have a mix of ethnicities (I'll leave it to him to explain if he means as a mix per person or as a society, I'd guess he'd say both are great, but then that's how I feel so its me projecting more than anything). Fact is, even the races as we seem them are bastardized hybrid mongrels (and naturally overtime we are becoming even moreso, although in a way, its making us less diverse as a population over time, but as individuals we're becoming more diverse, but then that too could change given enough time).

No its not. Use your brain, its not fewer white people. Now, as caveat, it could, with various factors (negative population growth, or you know, maybe all the other races will finally rise up and kill us off like various white people keep predicting will happen, its almost like they think non-whites might want revenge for something, no idea where that's coming from...). But the reality is, it just means white people make up a smaller ratio of the population, but since the overall population is growing it doesn't mean less white people. For fuck's sake, its like some of you haven't even passed what 3rd grade math. And you expect people to take your pontifications about race and society seriously?

Its always been that way, poor people having lots of kids is nothing new (granted, yes, people in general tended to have more kids, but its not like poor means unredeemingly stupid, or at least it doesn't mean stupidity that can't be overcome, or else we'd have been fucked long ago as "stupid" people have always outnumbered "smart" people). It hasn't led to the end of the world yet (and in fact its why humans have thrived, simply put we needed it to survive various calamities; it has led to issues here and there, but it also helped us move on from those instances, like baby boom post WWII). Now, I don't totally disagree that we should be doing something to help taper population growth (although that tends to happen fairly naturally) until we can deal with growing issues (providing food and clean water for instance), and I think as a world population we should be looking for how to better provide for children, so as to help them deal with issues (and also to take care of our asses as we get older).

You do not know what you're talking about. Sorry, it is as simple as that. You're just spouting bullshit "welfare queen" garbage that is not actually backed up by actual data.

Better judgement than poor people who pop out multiple kids on welfare, absolutely. I did wait until I could afford to support children to have any, and I do realize that good, hard working people can come upon hard times, but then continuing to have more children from that point forward?

Yes it is a moral failing to bring a child into this world which you cannot provide appropriate food, clothing, shelter, etc for and raise them to be productive members of society. Letting the internet raise them instead is not turning out to be a solution.

Maybe you should consider it might have something to do with conservatives doing everything possible to prevent them getting proper access to abortion and even birth control?

Guess what you probably wouldn't be here if everyone had adhered to that. If it wasn't your parents, it was maybe their parents, or their parents' parents, and so forth. We're all fucking bastards that shouldn't have been born based on that logic, because think how much less resources to actually properly raise kids existed before now (you really don't seem to understand how stuff like knowledge of nutrition, let alone stuff resembling modern health care, has been rare for most of human history). Oh please, like that has anything to do with the other. How many rich pieces of shit have been born that contributed fucking nothing, yet you'd give them a pass because hey their parents were in a good financial position? Having the resources doesn't make you a good parent. It helps, but its hardly the only thing that matters as far as how people turn out. I don't know if you're truly that ignorant of human history and society or what, but you've been fed bullshit and need to check it at the door because its making you fall into bullshit arguments.

I have no idea what you're ranting about on that last part so I'll just ignore it.

"Diversity" is a bullshit term, and colloquially means "non white" in use. On NPR once, they were talking about a "diverse" school in Chicago. ~90% black. They're clearly using a different dictionary than me...

Why thank you, Captain Oblivious, for not realizing that in a white dominated country, diversity would mean non-white. Also ignoring that diversity could be about things other than race, but hey, fuck it, let's just make our argument align as much as possible with white supremacists, right?

I mean, you could've actually made a worthwhile statement, like pointing out that race, as far too many think about it, is bullshit. We all have a clusterfuck of geneology, diversity is literally fucking coded in our DNA.

But nah, you decided its better to bask in your ignorance and think you somehow stumbled on some profundity through it because you think trying to be a pedant "well diversity literally means variety, therefore a predominantly black school can't be diverse!" while ignoring the context makes you smart. Sorry to break it to you, but it did the opposite. It fully displayed your ignorance while also revealing you to be espousing an outright moronic racist fallacy.

Colloquially, non-white in regards to use by people calling diversity "bullshit" infers anti-white. Its a known dog whistle phrase that racists use to get people to think they're not being racist and are just reacting to racists who they claim are actually meaning anti-white by supporting anything that supports non-white groups because apparently they struggle with understanding that isn't the same thing at all. You might not be meaning that and are ignorant of the fact that racists absolutely say exactly what you said, so maybe its a misunderstanding, but fact is, even if innocent of directly attempting to do such, what you posted is, on face value clearly inferring a bigoted view. It is also stupid in its pedantry, as you're arguing that applying diversity in that manner doesn't adhere to its definition, but then you argue that diversity inherently implies non-white, so you literally just threw your own argument into the shitter and then, well, shit on it.

Then you doubled down on it by ranting about people making fun of you for it.

Go fuck yourself cµnt. You're a worthless piece of shit, trolling a piece of shit forum. Feeling pretty good about yourself? Probably don't have the self awareness to know otherwise...

Back at ya slick. Maybe try making arguments that aren't stupid and inline with outright racists and you won't get made fun of.

I've seen you say that a lot in my brief encounters here. A brainless automaton. You're clearly at home. Any real thought would put you in the hospital. You should build up to it. Slow and steady wins the race...

Yet you seemingly don't understand why he's using it. FYI, its ironic, because that's what (typically conservative) dumbfucks like to say as pejorative for when people call out their idiocy with regards to topics like tolerance, diversity, etc because they heard about "trigger warnings" and think its all "too PC bullshit" that is ruining the world because they can't call people slurs on Xbox Live any more. And it gets slung back at people ironically, or actually not even ironically in this instance. You very clearly have been triggered or else you wouldn't be making the following posts. But then its not a surprise that you don't even know what that term means either. I'm guess you also become enraged about safe spaces without having a fucking clue about where that came from. But hey, why bother trying to open your own mind, learn something, and maybe change your own opinion, when you can just run around saying its everyone else not doing that. You certainly came in here with an open mind seeking enlightened discussion about the topic, gee I wonder why people might be less inclined to engage you in it based on your posts here?

You don't know a thing about me. You couldn't keep up intellectually or physically. Your a worthless piece of shit jerking off to your fan club. A brainless automaton spewing catchphrases that requires zero effort. I'll go where I please. For this minute, it's here. I'll be leaving soon enough, and you can return to your self important jizz fest, and go to bed tonight thinking you made a real difference in the world, and showed that "racist" what the world is about :rollseyes:

I'll be your huckleberry.

I don't care as that has nothing to do with what you've been posting in this thread, so have fun spouting pointless random shit that has nothing to do with anything I guess? Doubly odd you're doing exactly what you're pissing and moaning about him allegedly doing to you. Simply put, you interjected a resoundingly stupid post as though you thought it had some grand insight into the lie that diversity allegedly is. And then you got pissed off when called out on it.

Brainless automaton, durr, I've seen you use that phrase multiple times in my brief encounters with you. Its almost like that describes you.

Well no shit they're not going to change racist dumbfucks saying dumbfuck racist things, so they're just going to use phrases other racist dumbfucks spout at you in jest, because at least then they get a modicum of amusement from it.

Hardly. I'm simply in the mood to engage fuckwits(see quoted post). The mood's passing. I have to give the cat her medicine, and I'll do something more productive. I'm not gonna be changing any minds here. Partisan idiots can only do one thing. Change has to come from within.

Your posts belie the truth. That's fine, but I think you need to strongly reflect on if you actually agree with what you said in your original post in this thread, and how you said it.

Yeah, keep on keeping on. You will fail because you're starting from a position of that yourself. Bitching about "partisan idiots" whilst having no fucking clue about who that actually is here will further endear you to people here. They (partisan idiots) more closely resemble people like you (see your posts).

Seriously, you were attempting to change minds? By spouting idiotic catchphrases of racists (I know you probably genuinely believe you aren't a racist, and it might even be true, but you enable ones by saying stupid shit like that) you immediately revealed you fundamentally don't understand basic aspects of this and yet think you're making some profound commentary about it. That is very rarely going to be taken seriously, and you throwing a tantrum after it wasn't, will just make sure that it won't.

I will end by saying, I don't believe you're a racist dumbfuck (I've been wrong before, but I tend to especially want to believe that people aren't this way, no matter how many times I end up disappointed), and you're often a reasonable, even enjoyable person to interact with on the forums here even when normally presented with opinions differing to those of your own, but on this, you're being ridiculously stupid.

Great, now we both got some pointless aggression worked out and we can both seek out more productive things to do with our time.

 

[Greenman]

1) Is this a serious question?
2) If this is a serious question, can you try to be more explicit in framing your question?

It is a serious question. Most "diverse" areas are segregated, and it's been my experience that two different cultures can't occupy the same area without conflict. I live in the SF Bay Area, diversity is the name of the game here. But I can take a map of the area and draw out the areas where each race lives. Not every single person of course, but the majority.
Other than dinning, I don't see any benefit to diversity, I don't see any harm either.
Almost everyone I hear speaking about diversity is white, and most of them live in pretty much all white areas. Apparently, it's important for other people to be diverse.

 

[brycejones]

It is a serious question. Most "diverse" areas are segregated, and it's been my experience that two different cultures can't occupy the same area without conflict. I live in the SF Bay Area, diversity is the name of the game here. But I can take a map of the area and draw out the areas where each race lives. Not every single person of course, but the majority.
Other than dinning, I don't see any benefit to diversity, I don't see any harm either.
Almost everyone I hear speaking about diversity is white, and most of them live in pretty much all white areas. Apparently, it's important for other people to be diverse.

When we recently moved we sought out a more diverse area deliberately after living in a very white community before because we wanted our kids more exposed to people from different cultural backgrounds.

 

[Atreus21]

By saying this:

So if I'm a white man and say Argument X, I'm wrong. If I'm a black man and say Argument X, I'm right.
​

In response to this:

Your original loaded question:

If I found data suggested that blacks will become a smaller percentage of the population by 2045, and greeted that as a positive development, what could I expect the reaction to be?
​

My reply defusing your loaded question:

If you were a black man in a black majority country singing the praises of diversity over racial homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be good.​

If, on the other hand you were a white man in a white majority country celebrating the end of diversity and a return to homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be the same any racist sees.
​

Your straw man is in intentionally ignoring the context and reframing my argument into something is most certainly is not. Probably because you had a response ready for any reply to your loaded question but did not expect it to be defused by someone who would deconstruct it putting both under strict context and shutting you down.

You see, in my post, both white and black men are able to be both right or wrong based NOT on color, but the context of their statement. The key is the context, not the color.

Maybe if I add this little but of intellectual training wheels onto my post it will help you:

And conversely:

If you were a white man in a white majority country singing the praises of diversity over racial homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be good.​

If, on the other hand you were a black man in a black majority country celebrating the end of diversity and a return to homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be the same any racist sees.​

That I have to explain this to you is pathetic. Maybe take some time to read my post more slowly and take your time understanding context.

If that doesn't help, I can't help you.

Your quote:

If you were a black man in a black majority country singing the praises of diversity over racial homogeneity and racial superiority, the reaction would be good.

But not if a white man did it in a black majority country, correct?

 

[Amused]

Your quote:



But not if a white man did it in a black majority country, correct?

Considering the fact that white men have a long history of subjugating, enslaving, colonizing and exterminating people of color it would be a very narrow context in which they could celebrate the displacement of POC with themselves after doing it at the tip of a sword and point of a gun for centuries.

But yeah, You're the victim.

 

[mikeymikec]

While you've answered my first question, you've let your original question remain at what appears to be 99% "loaded" and 1% substance.

It is a serious question. Most "diverse" areas are segregated, and it's been my experience that two different cultures can't occupy the same area without conflict.

What experience is that exactly? You've personally experienced living in an area that descended into sectarian violence / civil war?

I live in the SF Bay Area, diversity is the name of the game here. But I can take a map of the area and draw out the areas where each race lives. Not every single person of course, but the majority.
Other than dinning, I don't see any benefit to diversity, I don't see any harm either.
Almost everyone I hear speaking about diversity is white, and most of them live in pretty much all white areas. Apparently, it's important for other people to be diverse.

I can think of one area in the UK that I understand has a greater non-white racial representation compared to the country as a whole. Perhaps it's something weird about the US?

I personally can understand why non-whites might 'stick together' because while the UK doesn't currently appear to have half as much of a racism problem (or maybe not as embedded into the state) as the US appears to, when I was growing up in the 80s it was definitely a bigger issue, then there were the Brixton riots in the 70s. It would take a good few generations to die out before the old attitudes to completely die out. The kind of racial segregation that I see in American 'modern setting' films is not something I can relate to at all. I know of a few areas in the UK that have a racial demographic that doesn't match the national representation, I've lived near them and I've never experienced problems that I ascribe to be a problem with the demographic.

To attempt to answer your original question, the benefits of diversity can be seen throughout the ecosystem. In purely human circles, multiple diverse perspectives in approaching a problem are more likely to find the most appopriate solution. The opposite effect can be observed every time the Republicans attempt to turn back the clock on abortion rights, a bunch of guys calling the shots on a topic that they haven't the faintest idea or experience of imposing their beliefs and deluded opinions in ways that will never affect them personally. Christianity has also benefited from diversity in most Western countries in that it has evolved from the 'Spanish Inquisition' days into something that isn't directly harming the civilisations it finds itself in. Democracy is meant to be an example of diversity at work: Every adult having a vote to form the government of the country, every representative of that political system is supposed to listen to the people they represent so that they can represent those peoples' interests at the national level. Unfortunately many democracies have regressed into devolved dictatorships where the representatives listen to the leader (the epitome of a system lacking diversity) and repeat his/her gospel. This tends to have a knock-on effect that many people lose faith in the system and fall back to older beliefs and prejudices, such as their problems being caused by foreigners.

So IMO if you want a civilisation to flourish, diversity is a good thing.

 

[mikeymikec]

Considering the fact that white men have a long history of subjugating, enslaving, colonizing and exterminating people of color it would be a very narrow context in which they could celebrate the displacement of POC with themselves after doing it at the tip of a sword and edge of a gun for centuries.

But yeah, You're the victim.

I'm surprised you even bothered to engage with his reducio ad absurdum.

 

[thilanliyan]

The opposite effect can be observed every time the Republicans attempt to turn back the clock on abortion rights, a bunch of guys calling the shots on a topic that they haven't the faintest idea or experience of imposing their beliefs and deluded opinions in ways that will never affect them personally.

You forgot about their mistresses 😀

 

[bshole]

I live in Redondo Beach CA. I visit Cape Town a few months a year.

Some are, some are not. It's complicated. SA passed racial hiring laws that basically screwed whites. For most SA whites, the only way to make a living is to be entrepreneurial. And now, in a last ditch effort to hang onto power, the ANC has embraced the EFF's land expropriation ideology and threatens to turn SA into a communist state.

But there is hope. The DA is a democratic rainbow party and has slowly been taking control from the ANC. We'll see.

I think what I am getting is that "white flight" is a real thing. Take Milwaukee for example. There are white neighborhoods, there are black neighborhoods, there are latino neighborhoods and there are a few very small mixed neighborhoods (I live in one). All the multi-cultural talk in the world does not hide the objective fact that Wisconsinites are segregating themselves and race seems to be a primary factor for that segregation.

My brothers all live in white communities outside of Milwaukee. They did this on purpose because they actively fear black crime. This is not entirely surprising when the local media on a weekly basis covers violent black crime. I have a brother who lives in Random Lake, Wi (a white community of about 2,000 people) which is where I went to high school. They have not had a murder since my brother has lived there (30 years). The question is this, are you a bad person if you leave a community because you fear that black people will rob or murder you or your kids (because from my perspective that is the MAIN reason that whites leave mixed neighborhoods)?

 

[UNCjigga]

Your quote:



But not if a white man did it in a black majority country, correct?

Sure, I'll take the bait--assuming you can find a fictional developed African nation with no history of colonial subjugation/enslavement of the black majority to white minority rulers and landowners.

Oh wait, Wakanda!

But Everett Ross did champion diversity while in Wakanda, sorta. He advocated for Wakanda opening their borders and sharing their knowledge with the world, at least.

Oh wait. Which side is butthurt about diversity in friggin comic books now? #gamergate is now #comicsgate

https://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/comicsgate?utm_term=.dk4bLo3De#.yqegBWOEb

 

[mindless1]

Maybe you should consider it might have something to do with conservatives doing everything possible to prevent them getting proper access to abortion and even birth control?

TLDR; but skimmed it and this stuck out. There is not a "getting proper access" problem. You can't afford kids, you don't have sex unless you have enough brain cells to manage birth control and abortion. Some people shouldn't breed, and we certainly shouldn't subsidize it and even worse, encourage it through escalation of these subsidies.

This isn't about biodiversity. The US has always been a melting pot that increases it. Biodiversity is trumped by natural selection, that those who succeed in society should be those who contribute more to the genetics of the next generation but instead we now have the opposite, and combined with poor upbringing, we have the problem seen escalating today.

Instead we have people who might be ignorant to their racism, trying to pretend that anything they do is great, instead of accepting that they contribute to the problem. Racism should have been decreasing over time and it was.

Racism goes away when everyone stops trying to distinguish based on race. It's not about race unless you're a racist, rather about ignorance, stupidity and poverty which affects all races. A polite racist hiding behind politically correct buzzwords is still a racist.

Remember, I'm not the one who threw race out into the public where they offered opinion including hate. Doing that, picks at a scab that keeps racism alive.

 

[Atreus21]

Considering the fact that white men have a long history of subjugating, enslaving, colonizing and exterminating people of color it would be a very narrow context in which they could celebrate the displacement of POC with themselves after doing it at the tip of a sword and point of a gun for centuries.

But yeah, You're the victim.

So in other words, if you're white and make argument X, you're wrong. If you're black and make argument X, you're right. Is that still mis-characterizing your argument?

 

[JSt0rm]

So in other words, if you're white and make argument X, you're wrong. If you're black and make argument X, you're right. Is that still mis-characterizing your argument?

your cognitive dissonance makes you so stupid. Always.

 

[Mai72]

white people are violent by nature. Not to be trusted!

True!

Saw an old white granny giving me the stink eye.

Was scared. 🙁

 

[brycejones]

True!

Saw an old white granny giving me the stink eye.

Was scared. 🙁

Stop shitting in public. 😉

 

[jackstar7]

So in other words, if you're white and make argument X, you're wrong. If you're black and make argument X, you're right. Is that still mis-characterizing your argument?

Yeah, dipshit. Context DOES matter.

 

[Atreus21]

Yeah, dipshit. Context DOES matter.

No, dipshit. Skin color is apparently what matters.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, dipshit. Skin color is apparently what matters.

says the guy who lives in a world where his skin color doesnt matter.