No, Honda states 100k miles:
I replaced mine at 100k and they looked worn but not destroyed. I replaced the old spark plugs with new Iridium plugs and am looking forward to replacing them at 200k.
No, Honda states 100k miles:
I replaced mine at 100k and they looked worn but not destroyed. I replaced the old spark plugs with new Iridium plugs and am looking forward to replacing them at 200k.
Where do people get this information.
The book only gets 1.6hrs to change all the plugs on an '03 Caravan.
Not sure which motor he has, the 3.3L or 3.8L, but the labor time is the same.
You don't have to tilt the engine forward or drop it down or anything. The only engines you had to tilt forward were some GM V6s.
The book only gets 1.6hrs to change all the plugs on an '03 Caravan.
Not sure which motor he has, the 3.3L or 3.8L, but the labor time is the same.
You don't have to tilt the engine forward or drop it down or anything. The only engines you had to tilt forward were some GM V6s.
modern hondas only need new plugs every 105,000 miles. no joke. "scheduled maintenance" on their current models is literally nothing more than occasional oil, filter, and air filter changes plus inspections, until you get to 105,000 miles, and then you change belts and plugs. at ~120,000 miles, you change your coolant and transmission fluid for the first time. compared to even old hondas, these new ones are practically maintenance-free.
it was probably a vacuum hose, the other thing he stated, not the spark plugs. and in minivans, it's hard to change spark plugs, adding to the total cost.
Gamingphreek
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Thats interesting about Chrysler. We've had many vans with Chrysler and I have also noticed the exact same things. Don't get me wrong, they were nice vans, but very unreliable.
Usually with Chrysler you worry about the Drivetrain. I know in our last one (Before we traded for a Honda Pilot) the Torque Converter was pretty bad after a mere 55,000 miles. It would slip a way too much and then jolt and engage. The transmissions, while we had no problems with them, are pretty pitiful as well. They had a nice idea with their "4th Prime" gear, but at the same time, they are one of the only manf who still use 4-speed engines religiously.
If I remember right the main problems we had with ours were the belts. I can't remember what exactly happened- I would have to ask my father if he remembers.
The engines, from what I remember were fairly nice though. Nothing special about them, but at the same time, our 3.8L V6 had absolutely no problem hauling my parents, myself, 2 sisters, 2 dogs, and luggage up and down mountains.
As for the spark plugs, you should ask to see them. It's your car the dealer should respect your request. As long as the engine isn't misfiring, or firing with too much O2 (You know all the possibilities) then your spark plugs should be absolutely fine.
I honestly don't know what hose could possibly cost the difference there though. Vacuum hoses, Intake all are fairly cheap. The A/C is the only one I can think of that may cost more.
-Kevin
Usually with Chrysler you worry about the Drivetrain. I know in our last one (Before we traded for a Honda Pilot) the Torque Converter was pretty bad after a mere 55,000 miles. It would slip a way too much and then jolt and engage. The transmissions, while we had no problems with them, are pretty pitiful as well. They had a nice idea with their "4th Prime" gear, but at the same time, they are one of the only manf who still use 4-speed engines religiously.
If I remember right the main problems we had with ours were the belts. I can't remember what exactly happened- I would have to ask my father if he remembers.
The engines, from what I remember were fairly nice though. Nothing special about them, but at the same time, our 3.8L V6 had absolutely no problem hauling my parents, myself, 2 sisters, 2 dogs, and luggage up and down mountains.
As for the spark plugs, you should ask to see them. It's your car the dealer should respect your request. As long as the engine isn't misfiring, or firing with too much O2 (You know all the possibilities) then your spark plugs should be absolutely fine.
I honestly don't know what hose could possibly cost the difference there though. Vacuum hoses, Intake all are fairly cheap. The A/C is the only one I can think of that may cost more.
-Kevin
JulesMaximus
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I've never had any trouble with the Toyota dealership when I had a Toyota or the Nissan service department for my Maxima and Lexus will freaking bend over backward to make sure you're happy. I've never experienced anything near the level of Lexus service from any American car dealership. I have a friend who had a brand new C6 Corvette and he had horrible experiences at the dealership. This is a guy who paid over $45k for a brand new Vette.
My wife's Lexus IS250 had a small tear develop in the driver's seat after about 10k miles. It was about an inch long and the dealer replaced the entire seat (not just the seating surface, the entire seat) with a brand new one under warranty...no questions asked. I wonder what a power driver's seat for an IS250 costs if you had to replace it yourself.
They also detailed the car for her and gave her a free loaner car while they had her car.
After having to deal with the Suzuki dealership for the past couple of months (someone backed into my bike, figured I'd let the professionals handle it since it hadn't been dumped before and insurance was paying), I'm becoming more and more convinced that shops end up wasting MORE of your time as well as money vs. doing it yourself.
If you do it yourself, you pull stuff out, take a few hours to figure out the problem and put things back together, and then it's done.
With a shop, you take it in, either get a loaner or start taking the bus, spend the next several days playing phone tag just to get an idea of when they'll be finished, argue over the estimate, more phone tag, argue over the bill, get told that it's finished, take time off work to pick it up, turns out it's not, more phone tag, finally it does get done but they didn't do ALL the work, more phone tag...
Just not worth the hassle IMHO.
TraumaRN
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What I don't understand is how one bad experience suddenly means that another car company is better....
I mean my father has worked for Ford for years and years now...all we've ever owned is mostly Ford products and styling or personal tastes aside we've never had any 'major' issues with any of them.
My mother's 2003 Explorer has needed a new oxygen sensor and has 60K miles on...otherwise normal maintenance
Dad's 1999 Explorer, 165K miles on...just had a vacuum hose replaced last week, other than that I can't ever remember him taking it in for repairs.
My 2002 Taurus with 107K miles on....routine maintenance...friday it gets new tires, and shocks
Etc etc....
Everyone could go on about their lemon experiences....yet it just FLOORS me that one lemon makes them think American is bad, or Imports are bad....
I mean my father has worked for Ford for years and years now...all we've ever owned is mostly Ford products and styling or personal tastes aside we've never had any 'major' issues with any of them.
My mother's 2003 Explorer has needed a new oxygen sensor and has 60K miles on...otherwise normal maintenance
Dad's 1999 Explorer, 165K miles on...just had a vacuum hose replaced last week, other than that I can't ever remember him taking it in for repairs.
My 2002 Taurus with 107K miles on....routine maintenance...friday it gets new tires, and shocks
Etc etc....
Everyone could go on about their lemon experiences....yet it just FLOORS me that one lemon makes them think American is bad, or Imports are bad....
I'm with you. My first car was American made and it didn't last far into 100k. My Honda is at 140k and runs very well like the day I bought it. They are put together in a way that makes working on them easier too. I couldn't get over how much thought went into things when I decided to rip apart the dash to install a car computer. It all just made sense.
A girl I work with has an '05 Corolla with probably about 15k miles on it. Last week, the car died in the middle of the road at an intersection. Turns out the ECU is fried. Good thing she still has her warranty. My boss was not so lucky, however. The ECU also went out a while back on his 2000 (I think) Accord with ~70k on it. $1200 for the repair on that, since it was out of warranty.
Based on my own experience, I own an 89 Prelude (which I actually really like) with about 122k miles on it and it is completely falling apart. Water leaks everywhere, a bad steering rack, bad alternator, both axles shot, transmission slipping badly, horrible motor surge, etc. I've taken care of lots of this, but the point is - Honda and Toyota are not the magic-mobiles that everyone makes them out to be. Look at Toyota's recent rash of recalls for proof.
sorry but this doesn't prove much. Any car should go 66k miles without major probs and 100k isn't a stretch nowadays without probs
pradeep1
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Yeah, we are a Toyota family. We have yet to give up on a car because it was dead. Mostly they've just gotten old and we've donated them to Easter Seals or Goodwill, or someone in need.
My jalopy 95 Camry has close to 200,000 miles on it, and it starts without hesitation, runs like a charm, gives good gas mileage, and even the AC works strong. She burns about a quart of oil every 3-4 months, but that's it.
I remember my friends who bought American cars back in the day (90s) who used to think that a car with mileage over 75K was "high mileage". Heck, I bought that 95 Camry in 98 with almost 57K miles on it, and my friends almost sh*t in their pants when I told them that. They thought I was foolish to put "so much money in an old car". That car has outlived all of their cars combined it seems.
My jalopy 95 Camry has close to 200,000 miles on it, and it starts without hesitation, runs like a charm, gives good gas mileage, and even the AC works strong. She burns about a quart of oil every 3-4 months, but that's it.
I remember my friends who bought American cars back in the day (90s) who used to think that a car with mileage over 75K was "high mileage". Heck, I bought that 95 Camry in 98 with almost 57K miles on it, and my friends almost sh*t in their pants when I told them that. They thought I was foolish to put "so much money in an old car". That car has outlived all of their cars combined it seems.
i used to have a 99 dodge dakota with 70k miles on it that left me stranded 12 times in 13 months (no, this is not an exagerration). I had the dakota to replace my dodge avenger that blew an engine at 90k miles. And yes I do all the maintenance.
Needless to say, I now own a Toyota Tundra and have never been as happy with a vehicle. This is the first vehicle I have owned that I don't even have a single complaint or annoyance. After I bought it, the Toyota dealer even sent me cookies in the mail! Now thats service!
Needless to say, I now own a Toyota Tundra and have never been as happy with a vehicle. This is the first vehicle I have owned that I don't even have a single complaint or annoyance. After I bought it, the Toyota dealer even sent me cookies in the mail! Now thats service!
NA cars of the 90's mostly suck no denying that. I had an awsome reliable 94 Corsica though that had over 200K miles on it when I sold it minor repairs needed. Then it needed a steering rack so I sold it to the mechanic and he's now driving it everyday. Gotta love that anecdotal evidence
Its just been the very last few years NA cars are approaching Jap quality and by jap I mean Honda and Toyota cause all the rest are about the same as NA cars. They are better than European cars.
I'm much more inclined to buy a car I like than worry about reliablity nowadays because they are all mostly reliable and quality has boiled down to niggly things as apposed to major problems
Its just been the very last few years NA cars are approaching Jap quality and by jap I mean Honda and Toyota cause all the rest are about the same as NA cars. They are better than European cars.
I'm much more inclined to buy a car I like than worry about reliablity nowadays because they are all mostly reliable and quality has boiled down to niggly things as apposed to major problems
JulesMaximus
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