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lothar

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Nexus rumors are slowly starting to gain momentum.

I'm strongly believing the concept of multiple Nexus devices this year. There has been camera data supporting a model number that would match up with a "Galaxy Nexus Plus" or whatever it's to be called (which would be a mid-range phone).

I have a feeling they may just end up having a Nexus device from each of the top manufacturers. Nexus is evolving to be more than a hardcore-user/developer brand, and becoming Google's answer to the market conditions. They want "Pure Google" out there, but want to keep the open Android world alive too (i.e. custom themes/skins/baked-in-goods). It would be awesome if every future Nexus phone was also available on every network - but I have a feeling we won't be seeing that.
That certainly will not happen.

Maybe something like this will happen in the US though: (it's better than what we have now at least)
Galaxy Nexus: Samsung
Optimus Nexus: LG
Razr Nexus: Motorola
Xperia Nexus: Sony
"Whatever name the hell" Nexus: HTC

Of course you won't see the 5(if there will be that many) different Nexus phone devices on each US carrier. What could happen is the US carriers choose only one brand each cycle. Say Sprint chooses the HTC Nexus, AT&T chooses the Sony Nexus, Verizon chooses the Motorola Nexus, and T-Mobile chooses the Samsung Nexus...and so on.

Of course for something like this to work properly, the manufacturers have to release their Nexus devices near the same time period...None of the releasing a Nexus on a different carrier 6 months later with the same Nexus specs nonsense.
 

OBLAMA2009

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That certainly will not happen.

Maybe something like this will happen in the US though: (it's better than what we have now at least)
Galaxy Nexus: Samsung
Optimus Nexus: LG
Razr Nexus: Motorola
Xperia Nexus: Sony
"Whatever name the hell" Nexus: HTC

Of course you won't see the 5(if there will be that many) different Nexus phone devices on each US carrier. What could happen is the US carriers choose only one brand each cycle. Say Sprint chooses the HTC Nexus, AT&T chooses the Sony Nexus, Verizon chooses the Motorola Nexus, and T-Mobile chooses the Samsung Nexus...and so on.

Of course for something like this to work properly, the manufacturers have to release their Nexus devices near the same time period...None of the releasing a Nexus on a different carrier 6 months later with the same Nexus specs nonsense.

the market for nexus devices just isnt large enough to support every manufacturer releasing a nexus device. most non-anandtech buyers are more comfortable with the manufacturer overlays
 

Ravynmagi

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That old 5 Nexus devices rumors doesn't have to mean phones. We've had the Nexus 7 and Nexus Q already. Could just be just 3 Nexus phones, or maybe only 2 phones and a larger tablet.
 

lothar

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HTC One neXus :)
I looked thought of Inspire Nexus, Desire Nexus, and Nexus Two.
"One Nexus" or "One neXus" sounds ridiculous.
That old 5 Nexus devices rumors doesn't have to mean phones. We've had the Nexus 7 and Nexus Q already. Could just be just 3 Nexus phones, or maybe only 2 phones and a larger tablet.
Which is why I put the "5(if there will be that many)" caution. ;)
 
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That certainly will not happen.

Maybe something like this will happen in the US though: (it's better than what we have now at least)
Galaxy Nexus: Samsung
Optimus Nexus: LG
Razr Nexus: Motorola
Xperia Nexus: Sony
"Whatever name the hell" Nexus: HTC

Of course you won't see the 5(if there will be that many) different Nexus phone devices on each US carrier. What could happen is the US carriers choose only one brand each cycle. Say Sprint chooses the HTC Nexus, AT&T chooses the Sony Nexus, Verizon chooses the Motorola Nexus, and T-Mobile chooses the Samsung Nexus...and so on.

Of course for something like this to work properly, the manufacturers have to release their Nexus devices near the same time period...None of the releasing a Nexus on a different carrier 6 months later with the same Nexus specs nonsense.
Honestly you'd see a Nexus on every carrier before every manufacturer makes a Nexus.

1) Nexus phones take away from manufacturers' own phones. A GNex competes with the SGS2. A new GNex would compete with the SGS3. Likewise for HTC and LG and all their flagship phones. That's something they don't want.

2) If a Nexus phone is similar to a flagship phone, let's compare the HTC One X, SGS3, LG Optimus G, Xperia T. All very similar. I don't think you can go "wrong" with any of them. You can point out advantages and disadvantages to each. Do we need a Nexus on each to have very similar specs? It's redundant.

3) Nexus phones take away from a manufacturer's ability to skin. Why would everyone want to jump in?

4) Nexus phones represent a SMALL marketshare of Android phones. So now they want to dilute this further and have a fraction of a % of marketshare? Nexus fragmentation?

Anyway, I don't see this as too likely, but it *could* happen. It just doesn't seem like the most likely solution. 1 Nexus phone is enough.
 

lothar

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Honestly you'd see a Nexus on every carrier before every manufacturer makes a Nexus.
The guy I responded to said he'd like to see every future Nexus phones on all carriers.
I said you're likely to see just one on each carrier rather than seeing 5(or however many Nexus phones there will be) on each of the carriers.

You'd see a Nexus on every carrier before you'd see 5(or however many Nexus phones there will be) manufacturer Nexus on every carrier.
That, I am in agreement.
 

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Hate to be a debbie downer but the upgraded Galaxy Nexus is the only "real" rumor we have so far. The rest is just speculation and fanboy dreaming by blogs. And given how Verizon essentially screwed over the idea of a Nexus in the first place i have a hard time seeing Google doing another carrier launch

November: upgraded Galaxy Nexus sold unlocked for 350 bucks through Google themselves
 

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Hate to be a debbie downer but the upgraded Galaxy Nexus is the only "real" rumor we have so far. The rest is just speculation and fanboy dreaming by blogs. And given how Verizon essentially screwed over the idea of a Nexus in the first place i have a hard time seeing Google doing another carrier launch

November: upgraded Galaxy Nexus sold unlocked for 350 bucks through Google themselves

And even that we should be skeptical of, considering the "leak" says it'll have an SD card. If you follow Android development at all, you'd know that Google has moved away from SD cards.
 

ITHURTSWHENIP

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And even that we should be skeptical of, considering the "leak" says it'll have an SD card. If you follow Android development at all, you'd know that Google has moved away from SD cards.

True i had forgotten about it having an SD card wich excludes it from being a Nexus device.
 

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"Whatever name the hell" Nexus: HTC
Nexus One?

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Guys you won't be seeing a nexus device that uses a wacom stylus unless Android in their base AOSP starts adding things like handwritting apis. Because of this I seriously doubt you will see a wacom stylus with a nexus anytime soon.
 

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Nexus One?

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Guys you won't be seeing a nexus device that uses a wacom stylus unless Android in their base AOSP starts adding things like handwritting apis. Because of this I seriously doubt you will see a wacom stylus with a nexus anytime soon.

AOSP supports the stylus up to and including the pressure sensitivity (but doesn't have the interface to adjust settings).

The TouchWiz extensions that allow the S-Apps to work aren't of course but apps that are written to just use the stylus like Papyrus or Sketchbook Mobile will work fine.
 
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where's the evidence the next Nexus is just an upgraded 1.5ghz dual core OMAP4?

the devs on XDA claim it's looking more like an Exynos 5 device is coming as they watch the commits to Google's gerrit
 

lothar

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where's the evidence the next Nexus is just an upgraded 1.5ghz dual core OMAP4?

the devs on XDA claim it's looking more like an Exynos 5 device is coming as they watch the commits to Google's gerrit
If it's Exynos 5250, that's pretty sweet, however I will downplay my expectations so I won't be massively disappointed.
Oh, and if it uses the Galaxy Note II's non-pentile screen that will be pretty good too.
 
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If it's Exynos 5250, that's pretty sweet, however I will downplay my expectations so I won't be massively disappointed.
Oh, and if it uses the Galaxy Note II's non-pentile screen that will be pretty good too.

actually it may be better i have my eyes set on a higher clocked GNex1. love being a pessimist so I won't be that disappointed also.

Furthermore, all these "upgraded GNex1" rumors were there well before the iPhone 5 launch. I don't think many of us expected an A6 or A15-class CPU from the iPhone. Given how Google delayed the GNex1 launch post iPhone 4S, I'm wondering if they actually made any changes to respond to the 4S. And if that's what they did, perhaps they would be doing something similar to the 5.

As much as I seem like an Exynos fanboi in my previous threads, I acknowledge it sucks balls for development. And being a 32nm chip, I think the 28nm A15 chips would be slightly better.
 

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As much as I seem like an Exynos fanboi in my previous threads, I acknowledge it sucks balls for development. And being a 32nm chip, I think the 28nm A15 chips would be slightly better.
It *has* sucked because there was no AOSP-level driver support. Obviously this would massively change that. Remember how Hummingbird sucked before two consecutive Nexus devices went with SGX540?

As for 28 vs 32nm, I think those are two brandings of basically the same process size.
 

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Even if it's just a slight upgrade from the GNexus I'm getting it. Jellybean is definitely showing the age of my Nexus S.
 
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What do you mean by that? Speed?

Yes. It's not that much faster than ICS. Correct me if wrong. Given how the threads are handled in JB it seems like you are at a huge disadvantage with a single core processor.

JB definitely does not run 60 fps on my Nexus S. I think some of the animations help make it look zippy, but it definitely isn't holding up that well. I thought JB would've been the buttery smooth solution for all. I think GPU acceleration is still needed for that.
 

ITHURTSWHENIP

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I dont think you guys understand the size of the Exynos 5 chip if you think its going to be used in a smartphone at 32nm. Not to mention the device in the gerrit had a 1280 x 800 resolution wich is wierd for a phone unless its a big phablet

Best case scenario: Optimus G Nexus with quad S4 and Adreno 320

Worst case scenario : Dual-core Cortex A9 at 1,5 GHz

Most likely scenario: Optimus Nexus with dual S4 and Adreno 225 to avoid competition with Optimus G
 

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I'm assuming that it'll be a Galaxy S3 based Nexus. I want to see a badass Motorola though. Nexus M. :)
 

lothar

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Google aims to launch smartphones based on its Nexus 7 platform in cooperation with a number of smartphone branded vendors with Samsung Electronics, LG Electronics, Sony Mobile Communications and HTC likely to be potential partners, said the sources.
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Google reportedly will allow branded vendors to set hardware specifications as well as looks of the forthcoming Nexus smartphones as long as the models are based on its latest native Android system, said the sources, adding that this approach seems to be acceptable to brand players, since Google apparently is keeping its promise of not offering preferential treatment to Motorola.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121004PD201.html