I thought Subway was a franchise

Raincity

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This is not a rant but this is what I find strange about the local Subways in my fair city.

The store menue varies by a large margin between the stores.
Bread and toppping selection varies also by a large margin.
Menue pricing is very inconsistant between the local stores.
Some stores sell Coke products while others sell Pepsi products.
Some sell Frito Lay while other sell Laura Scudder products.

Anybody have any insight to this.
 

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Originally posted by: Raincity
This is not a rant but this is what I find strange about the local Subways in my fair city.

The store menue varies by a large margin between the stores.
Bread and toppping selection varies also by a large margin.
Menue pricing is very inconsistant between the local stores.
Some stores sell Coke products while others sell Pepsi products.
Some sell Frito Lay while other sell Laura Scudder products.

Anybody have any insight to this.

AND??

Your point is? they are NOT franchises?
 

Raincity

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Originally posted by: FleshLight
Yeah, that's why they're a franchise...with private owners

U"MM I am a franchise owner and I dont get to pick and choose my vendors or set menue prices.

 

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Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Yeah, that's why they're a franchise...with private owners
U"MM I am a franchise owner and I dont get to pick and choose my vendors or set menue prices.
So because your particular franshise agreemen't doesn't allow you that much freedom, no other franchise agreement can?

ZV
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Yeah, that's why they're a franchise...with private owners

U"MM I am a franchise owner and I dont get to pick and choose my vendors or set menue prices.

subway seems to control their franchisees very little.
 

Raincity

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Yeah, that's why they're a franchise...with private owners
U"MM I am a franchise owner and I dont get to pick and choose my vendors or set menue prices.
So because your particular franshise agreemen't doesn't allow you that much freedom, no other franchise agreement can?

ZV


Why sell a franchise if everything is going to be inconsistent.
 

Kelemvor

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Subway is the worst sub shop ever. For cold subs you should definitely be going to Cousins instead.... If you don't have Cousins by you... I feel for you, I realy do...
 

syconub

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i like sandwiches. and I like chips with it. I like subway. I like soda with my sandwitch and chips also.
 

MySoS

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McDonalds is the same. Each one can pick what it sells and the prices. I have two McDonalds near me, one is way more expensive than the other.
 

FleshLight

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Raincity
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Yeah, that's why they're a franchise...with private owners
U"MM I am a franchise owner and I dont get to pick and choose my vendors or set menue prices.
So because your particular franshise agreemen't doesn't allow you that much freedom, no other franchise agreement can?

ZV


Why sell a franchise if everything is going to be inconsistent.

Make money?
 

Monel Funkawitz

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I have traveled to 46 states in the US and MANY places overseas. Every Subway I've ever been to is about as close to the same as you can possibly get it.
 

MySoS

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In fact most fast food places are like this. KFC is the same too. I go to the KFC a little farther away from me since they still have corn bread and they sell apple pie.
 

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Just because it's a franchise doesn't mean that the menu and it's pricing is identical. I work for a company that operates three different franchises. Our pricing varies upon location and we offer different promotions and menu items at each place as well. Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.

Some regions may have different recipe's depending upon food vendors. We may not be able to stock certain types of breads/buns/beverages because of lack of vendors that carry that item in an area.

Each franchise also may have flexibility in preferred drink vendors. Sometimes corporate can specify a required brand (like McD's and Coke products) and other times they are more flexible and let the individual franchise operators choose what works best for them.

You also have to keep in mind that places like Subway may have multiple franchise owners in larger cities or in neighbor towns. Each one has their own management and menu offerings and pricing.

You buy a franchise name, and most of the time buy the core ingredients from that corporation. A lot of stuff is up to the owner/operator to adjust and tweak on their own though.
 

Raincity

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Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.
I am talking about local pricing. There should not be a a two dollar difference in price in a menu item with two store in less than a half a mile away from each other. If Joe down the street is offering five kinds of bread then John two blocks away should be also. If I got a diet coke with my meal from Joe then John should be selling diet coke also.
 

MySoS

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.
I am talking about local pricing. There should not be a a two dollar difference in price in a menu item with two store in less than a half a mile away from each other. If Joe down the street is offering five kinds of bread then John two blocks away should be also. If I got a diet coke with my meal from Joe then John should be selling diet coke also.

Like I said McDonalds near me is the same. At one McDonalds a 20 piece meal is 9.75 at the other it is 7.10 more than a 2 dollar difference for the same thing. Both less than a mile apart.
 

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.
I am talking about local pricing. There should not be a a two dollar difference in price in a menu item with two store in less than a half a mile away from each other. If Joe down the street is offering five kinds of bread then John two blocks away should be also. If I got a diet coke with my meal from Joe then John should be selling diet coke also.

why are you so hung up on what another franchiser does? because it doesn't seem to have all the same rules as the franchise you are a part of automatically makes what subway does wrong?

Subway as a franchise seems to be doing ok to me.
 

tami

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Originally posted by: Raincity
Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.
I am talking about local pricing. There should not be a a two dollar difference in price in a menu item with two store in less than a half a mile away from each other. If Joe down the street is offering five kinds of bread then John two blocks away should be also. If I got a diet coke with my meal from Joe then John should be selling diet coke also.

then there's the desire to go to the subway that sells pepsi or has the more desirable sandwiches than the one with coke. subway gives hungry people flexibility to choose what they want by having multiple locations with a different variety (read: still similar) of items.

of course, if you're smart and not so picky with your food, you'd go to the cheaper subway anyway...
 

Raincity

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Raincity
Higher costs of living in the area make for higher menu prices, lower cost of living makes for lower menu prices.
I am talking about local pricing. There should not be a a two dollar difference in price in a menu item with two store in less than a half a mile away from each other. If Joe down the street is offering five kinds of bread then John two blocks away should be also. If I got a diet coke with my meal from Joe then John should be selling diet coke also.

why are you so hung up on what another franchiser does? because it doesn't seem to have all the same rules as the franchise you are a part of automatically makes what subway does wrong?

Subway as a franchise seems to be doing ok to me.

Because when I walk through the doors of any restaurant chain I expect my dinning experience to be consistent from the other previous visits even if they are from other locations.