I thought PlayStation 3 was scarce?

[lopri]

Well.. I'll make it short and sweet. Me and my friend stopped at a GameStop yesterday and the sales lady almost forced us to buy PlayStation 3 and we DID. Did not pay a dollar more than MSRP+tax. (60GB, wireless controller version) The store even gave us a deal on two games. ($5 discount per game) I ended up picking up Resistance and COD 3.

Is this the same PS 3 that people shoot each other over? I felt so weird because up until that moment my knowledge regarding PS 3 availability is that there is no such thing until sometime next year. Well.. although I'm aware that next year is only a couple days ahead. Honestly I had absolutely no plan/intention to buy this thing. I hate to play games with joysticks and I'm still not even over the glory of my 8800 yet. I just picked it up because I know the hardware has indeed a decent value, the lady seemed so desperate, and
more than anything else, I was just curious if it's the real PS 3. lol.

Turned out it's the real thing. Setup was a breeze. Power cable, HDMI, and USB then boom. Took less than 5 mins and I was into the system setup. I played a bit of COD 3 last night and the piece is actually quite well made. It doesn't overheat and there was no interface lag. Level loading was, actually, shorter than I expected. (at least for COD 3) But the damn joystick is so weird and the auto-aim thingy is so lame. :disgust:

Anyhow, I just wanted to share my strange experience towards the end of the year. I didn't bother to look around if PS 3 availability got any better since launch, but taking my experience, it shouldn't be bad, I guess. (or at least the situation improves quickly)

So yeah, this years just about done. In my case, with a PS 3. To all AT'ers, I wish you all the best next year. Happy new year! :lips:

 

[Nightmare225]

What do you mean, forced? How dare you fall to the dark side, even if it was at the persusasion of a damsel in distress.

But, seriously, I don't see the reason of getting one. Every game, including COD 3, is better on the 360. Anyways, have fun, it is quite a powerful gaming console.

 

[5150Joker]

Cool on an opposite note I'm returning my PS3 tomorrow. I've found that after having it nearly a month all it's been doing most of the time is collecting dust while the 360 gets all my gaming attention. I might think of getting one again once the kinks are worked out and Sony has more games and a better online network.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Once the entrepreneurial spirit of-

1: Wait for many hours to purchase PS3

2: Sell on Ebay

3: Profit

Subsided, and the going price often wouldn't even cover shipping and fees, the rush was mostly over. It raises the question of wether or not the initial fervor was more about the potential profit, than actual lust for it as a HD entertainment platform? I've read quite a few post on various MBs stating PS3s are readily available in their area, so whatever the allocation of units is, many seem to have tha ability to purchase it locally now, just as you did.

Now, myself, I'd of had R:FOM in there first! The CoD series, I find myself blasé about. 1&2 were fun, but WWII shooters are wearing thin for me. Auto aim sounds like it would take any enjoyment from a game, can it be turned off *certainly hope so!*.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Cool on an opposite note I'm returning my PS3 tomorrow. I've found that after having it nearly a month all it's been doing most of the time is collecting dust while the 360 gets all my gaming attention. I might think of getting one again once the kinks are worked out and Sony has more games and a better online network.

GoW > * :beer: Though I've been playing the BK games, and Legos:SWII with my 6yr old mostly since x-mas

 

[NoStateofMind]

Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

 

[videopho]

I've found a bunch on eBay, many with almost no bidders and within hours of ending the auction and some are well within MSRP numbers. It's such a pathetic hype!
Granted Blue-Ray is the technology to embrace but the cost is what drives most average Joe buyers away.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

Uh, only if you require a BluRay player RIGHT NOW.
And if you just require a next gen DVD player, then there is a little MS Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on for $200 that also works on the PC. Much cheaper than a $600 PS3.
Of course, who really NEEDS a Bluray player right now anyway? Why buy a $600 PS3 instead of an $800 drive when you could not buy either?
Saying the Bluray drive in the PS3 makes it worth $600 is totally false. A next gen DVD player will NEVER be actually WORTH $600 or $800. Sure, they may cost that much, but it's not the same.

 

[sirspotti]

On Christmas Eve I was in Best Buy doing last minute gift shopping and there were two BB employees near the checkout line holding PS3 boxes trying to convince people to buy them. Good thing you weren't there. You might have been forced to buy two PS3s!

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Resistance Fall of Man is a great online multiplayer game. It has made the Playstation3 worth it to me. I've quit playing Gears of War because of it and I was an Xbox fanboy before I had the money to buy all the systems...lol

There is a lot to be said for gameplay and RFoM's gameplay overshadows GoW's tremendous graphics in my book.

Disclaimer: The previous statements were made from an unbiased PoV and are the opinion of a gamer who values quality online multiplayer over anything else by a long shot.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

Uh, only if you require a BluRay player RIGHT NOW.
And if you just require a next gen DVD player, then there is a little MS Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on for $200 that also works on the PC. Much cheaper than a $600 PS3.
Of course, who really NEEDS a Bluray player right now anyway? Why buy a $600 PS3 instead of an $800 drive when you could not buy either?
Saying the Bluray drive in the PS3 makes it worth $600 is totally false. A next gen DVD player will NEVER be actually WORTH $600 or $800. Sure, they may cost that much, but it's not the same.

Well if that's the case, then you can also say there is no need for gaming as well. I mean come'on, who really 'needs' gaming? It's about what the consumer wants. I WANT Blue-Ray, not need. You DON'T WANT it, so you have no care for it. Simply up to the individual, because everyone's tastes are different.

Agreed, it is ALOT of cash to throw out for a disc drive that will be just a couple of hundred within 2 years. Current market though, the price paying for a drive for the PC, or getting PS3? PS3 wins hands down if you want Blue-Ray.

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

 

[Wreckage]

I think there initial problem was that they only shipped 200k units. Now I guess they have shipped over a million worldwide. I really want one, but I won't pay $600 so I will have to wait. Maybe when I get my 1080p TV I will get a PS3 to match.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

And why would I need a BD drive now or in the forseeable future? For movies? I dont think so.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

And why would I need a BD drive now or in the forseeable future? For movies? I dont think so.

Where does everyone come up with this 'NEED' word? Did I say need anywhere?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I think there initial problem was that they only shipped 200k units. Now I guess they have shipped over a million worldwide. I really want one, but I won't pay $600 so I will have to wait. Maybe when I get my 1080p TV I will get a PS3 to match.

That's what I'm doing. Getting this and then a PS3.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Resistance Fall of Man is a great online multiplayer game. It has made the Playstation3 worth it to me. I've quit playing Gears of War because of it and I was an Xbox fanboy before I had the money to buy all the systems...lol

There is a lot to be said for gameplay and RFoM's gameplay overshadows GoW's tremendous graphics in my book.

Disclaimer: The previous statements were made from an unbiased PoV and are the opinion of a gamer who values quality online multiplayer over anything else by a long shot.

I've been hearing lots of good things about FoM's MP, I'll probably pick up a PS3 next year sometime. By the time I purchase, there should be a bigger library of games and movies for it too.

GoW MP needs more maps, bigger teams, & to fix the glitches e.g. join a match after it starts and you can't talk to your team mates.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Heck, the Blue-Ray disc drive in the PS3 is worth the price alone (when you compare pc drives). Spending $800 on just a drive for your PC, or $600 for that drive along with the gaming capabilities. I think its worth it.

Uh, only if you require a BluRay player RIGHT NOW.
And if you just require a next gen DVD player, then there is a little MS Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on for $200 that also works on the PC. Much cheaper than a $600 PS3.
Of course, who really NEEDS a Bluray player right now anyway? Why buy a $600 PS3 instead of an $800 drive when you could not buy either?
Saying the Bluray drive in the PS3 makes it worth $600 is totally false. A next gen DVD player will NEVER be actually WORTH $600 or $800. Sure, they may cost that much, but it's not the same.

Well if that's the case, then you can also say there is no need for gaming as well. I mean come'on, who really 'needs' gaming? It's about what the consumer wants. I WANT Blue-Ray, not need. You DON'T WANT it, so you have no care for it. Simply up to the individual, because everyone's tastes are different.

Agreed, it is ALOT of cash to throw out for a disc drive that will be just a couple of hundred within 2 years. Current market though, the price paying for a drive for the PC, or getting PS3? PS3 wins hands down if you want Blue-Ray.

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

thing is a next-gen console can do things in games that older hardware could not thus chiagin games (better graphics, AI, online), movies are the same whether you watch them at super HD or SD. they have he same value. besides the real way to watch movies is in a theater.

 

[videopho]

1080p set is still out of reach for many folks and 1080i is almost everyone's reach, so to speak.
PS3 (or Blue-ray) may have to wait out for another year or so if that long.
The only problem: In order to wipe out PS3 all MS has to do right now is drop prices on the xbox360 and embraces some Holywood studio to produce hd-dvd movies in masses.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Resistance Fall of Man is a great online multiplayer game. It has made the Playstation3 worth it to me. I've quit playing Gears of War because of it and I was an Xbox fanboy before I had the money to buy all the systems...lol

There is a lot to be said for gameplay and RFoM's gameplay overshadows GoW's tremendous graphics in my book.

Disclaimer: The previous statements were made from an unbiased PoV and are the opinion of a gamer who values quality online multiplayer over anything else by a long shot.

Resistance is just another cookie cutter FPS and I'm saying this from an unbiased perspective as well. I finished the game a few days ago and was left largely unimpressed. It's online multiplayer brings nothing new that we haven't seen on the PC for years but done better.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

I don't like stupid people, nothing against them I just don't like them.


P.S. The 360 upscales to 1080p and has some 1080p native games in the works. The PS3 has no hardware scaler so if you've got a 1080i TV that can't do 720p, enjoy playing your games at 480p.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

I don't like stupid people, nothing against them I just don't like them.


P.S. The 360 upscales to 1080p and has some 1080p native games in the works. The PS3 has no hardware scaler so if you've got a 1080i TV that can't do 720p, enjoy playing your games at 480p.

Are you calling me stupid? Does this mean we can't be friends?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

I don't like stupid people, nothing against them I just don't like them.


P.S. The 360 upscales to 1080p and has some 1080p native games in the works. The PS3 has no hardware scaler so if you've got a 1080i TV that can't do 720p, enjoy playing your games at 480p.

Are you calling me stupid? Does this mean we can't be friends?

Nah I didn't call you stupid. I said I don't like stupid people but nothing against them. Seriously, if you're going to say you dislike something then at least give some legitimate reasons behind it besides, "well i just don't".

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

I have nothing against 360. I just personally don't like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the highest resolution supported 720P? And really, after you think about it, XBOX360 and HD-DVD comes out to $600. Same as a PS3. Might as well buy PS3 IMO.

I don't like stupid people, nothing against them I just don't like them.


P.S. The 360 upscales to 1080p and has some 1080p native games in the works. The PS3 has no hardware scaler so if you've got a 1080i TV that can't do 720p, enjoy playing your games at 480p.

Are you calling me stupid? Does this mean we can't be friends?

Nah I didn't call you stupid. I said I don't like stupid people but nothing against them. Seriously, if you're going to say you dislike something then at least give some legitimate reasons behind it besides, "well i just don't".

Fair enough. Why do I not like XBOX-360? Well for one, the LCD that I have mentioned before supports 1080P, which if I am correct XBOX-360 does not (you have stated they are "in the works"). Also I've heard that HD-DVD only supports up to 1080i, even though the monitor that I want supports that, I still want 1080P to take full advantage of its features.

I will hand it to 360 for the for having a hardware scaler as you mentioned. But the westinghouse does support 720P as well. So I'm really not worried about that. Also IIRC, Blue-Ray has a higher bit rate which in turn offers better image quality.

Games that the 360 currently has do not impress me that much. COD2 and COD3 are pretty much all I can see buying. As for PS3 , Resistance: Fall of Man (has me drooling) COD3, and Madden '07 are the three I would buy off the bat.

Alot of these things may not matter to most. But when I go out to spend that kind of cash, I want the best IQ for my money. Feel free to correct me on anything that is out of line. I'm not an ego maniac needing to be right about everything. Cheers!

 

[josh6079]

P.S. The 360 upscales to 1080p and has some 1080p native games in the works.

Even at that resolution I still have yet to see a 360 game with AA. Doesn't the PS3 use AA in some of their titles?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon


Fair enough. Why do I not like XBOX-360? Well for one, the LCD that I have mentioned before supports 1080P, which if I am correct XBOX-360 does not (you have stated they are "in the works"). Also I've heard that HD-DVD only supports up to 1080i, even though the monitor that I want supports that, I still want 1080P to take full advantage of its features.

I said the 360 will upscale all its games to 1080p and there are 1080p native games in the works. That's a hell of a lot more impressive than the PS3 which only has 720p games right now and a Tekken PS2 game that does 1080p in its marketplace. Also the HD-DVD for the 360 does 1080p via VGA, don't know where you got the bit about 1080i from, maybe you got it confused with component.

I will hand it to 360 for the for having a hardware scaler as you mentioned. But the westinghouse does support 720P as well. So I'm really not worried about that. Also IIRC, Blue-Ray has a higher bit rate which in turn offers better image quality.

Well I've got bad news for you then. I've got a Westinghouse as well (LVM-37W3) and the PS3 doesn't work well with it using HDMI. There's an issue in the PS3 via HDMI where it doesn't do a proper "handshake" with the Westy so you end up with a constantly blinking picture and the only way to fix it is to switch through inputs (e.g. switch to component and then back to HDMI). Just another Sony botch up--apparently a lot of other 1080p sets have issues with the PS3 as well.

Games that the 360 currently has do not impress me that much. COD2 and COD3 are pretty much all I can see buying. As for PS3 , Resistance: Fall of Man (has me drooling) COD3, and Madden '07 are the three I would buy off the bat.

That makes no sense at all. 2 of the 3 games you listed in favor of the PS3 are on the 360 and by all accounts done better. Resistance Fall of Man is decent but its nothing special (I have it).

Alot of these things may not matter to most. But when I go out to spend that kind of cash, I want the best IQ for my money.

If you want the best IQ for your money then the PS3 isn't the system to get. Most of its games have low texture resolution and overall the system is inferior to the 360 (both CPU [yes the Cell is just a general purpose parallel processor] and GPU) and the overlapping games between each system tends to look (IQ wise) and play (FPS wise) better on the 360.

I gave the PS3 an honest shot and while I liked some things about it, it had far more things going against it that couldn't justify me keeping it. Some of the things I already mentioned but I'll summarize:

Cons:
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-HDMI issues with the Westinghouse 1080p monitor and a lot of other 1080p sets as well (check AVS forums for this).
-Hardware is inferior to the 360 and more difficult to develop for it.
-Broken PS2 hardware emulator that renders games to look worse than an actual PS2 (in contrast the 360 uses software emulation which upscales Xbox 1 games and adds AA).
-Cross platform games look better on the 360 and play better.
-Analog thumbsticks on the PS3 controller are too close together and if you have large hands your thumbs will hit (a major irritant while I played RFOM).
-Lack of rumble is sorely missed in racing games like Gran Turismo and even Resistance.
-SixAxis motion sensing is underused (GT doesn't support it).
-SixAxis controller's battery can't be replaced by the end user, you have to send the controller in to Sony.
-Sony's online network is a joke. Setting up a game with a friend is a major chore and there its not possible to invite a friend that's in a game and vice versa. Furthermore there is no standardized microphone headset for the service so not many people have one.
-Sony's online store is SLOOOOOWWW.
-Price, lets face it this thing is expensive.
-Sony only includes a composite cable with the PS3 so you have to go out and buy a component and/or HDMI cable thus making the system even more expensive.

Pro:
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-Blu-Ray is pretty cool though it doesn't really blow away an upscaled DVD in terms of picture quality.
-User upgradeable HD is a nice feature which MS should allow.
-Free online network (though it sucks so no wonder its free. The old adage of you get what you pay for applies here).
-SixAxis has motion sensing (works good in motorstorm but underused in every other game)
-HDMI built in which helps reduce clutter.
-Lets you install Linux although its just for show at this point. Not much has come out of it since the system only uses 256 MB of system ram (the 256 MB for the GPU isn't used at all).
-Sony has Square and Konami (for now) in its corner which is good if you're into Final Fantasy and MGS4.
-Sony is not against native kb/mouse support so developers are free to implement it in their games. So far rumor has it that UT2007 may be the first game to take advantage of this policy.