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BarkingGhostar

BarkingGhostar

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Ignoring Trump, by those voting for him again:

Ignore the guilt by association with known child sex-trafficker Jeffery Epstein.
Ignore the lying on hot mike and revealed by Bob Woodward in Rage about the pandemic and likes to play it down.
Ignore the fact he paid less to the USA than China on income taxes.
Ignore the fact he tried to use the US government to defend himself in law suits against him, not his presidency.
Ignore the fact he continually and openly lies about the state of COVID-19 and its impact on Americans
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Ignore the fact that those voting for Trump again are guilty by association, IMO, to be cohort pedophiles, liars, and illegal business operators. You Know Who You Are! And you cannot blame ignorance on your actions. Everything above is a lie to you.

PS I wouldn't trust any of you with my enemy's child in a sleepover.

Okay, haven said all that :p how are you folks all doing this day?

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BarkingGhostar

BarkingGhostar

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Its not about politics, but associations of known bad people. But leave it to you to ignore what I was saying and focus on politics.
 
ultimatebob

ultimatebob

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BarkingGhostar said:
Its not about politics, but associations of known bad people. But leave it to you to ignore what I was saying and focus on politics.
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Noo... this is definitely a Trump rant, and it belongs in the P&N forum.

Seriously, I'll promise to stay out of the P&N forum if they keep their posts over there. I know that they hate me, anyway :)
 
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IronWing

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ultimatebob said:
Noo... this is definitely a Trump rant, and it belongs in the P&N forum.

Seriously, I'll promise to stay out of the P&N forum if they keep their posts over there. I know that they hate me, anyway :)
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I don't hate you. :)
 
Bitek

Bitek

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Aug 2, 2001
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IDK, my Dad voted T. Mom was pissed at him.

Why?
Nonsense answers.

Mind you he voted Obama twice.o_O

Not sure it's deeper than doing it for the lulz and Trumpers puts on a show.
 
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s0me0nesmind1

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Bitek said:
IDK, my Dad voted T. Mom was pissed at him.

Why?
Nonsense answers.

Mind you he voted Obama twice.o_O

Not sure it's deeper than doing it for the lulz and Trumpers puts on a show.
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That's the key though at a lot of people seem to blanketly want to ignore.

They chalk it up to racism.... even though a core of Trump voters were Obama voters.

I just don't care for anyone who throws blankets across things.... Such as - this election won't be close, look at the polls!
 
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dank69

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
That's the key though at a lot of people seem to blanketly want to ignore.

They chalk it up to racism.... even though a core of Trump voters were Obama voters.

I just don't care for anyone who throws blankets across things.... Such as - this election won't be close, look at the polls!
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Not every German started off as an anti-semite. If you don't make it clearly known that racists are not welcome, you might as well be a racist yourself.
 
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Bitek

Bitek

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
That's the key though at a lot of people seem to blanketly want to ignore.

They chalk it up to racism.... even though a core of Trump voters were Obama voters.

I just don't care for anyone who throws blankets across things.... Such as - this election won't be close, look at the polls!
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Agreed. Gotta be careful condemning motivations on the other side.

I think it's crazy, and I hate Trump and what he's done, but not everyone is looking at the same things I am, so they will vote differently.

Ultimately, I think that's good news, as it means half the country isn't hopelessly racist and corrupt. That also means that the D electoral problems are fixable.

Some voters are voting on style as much as substance. Trump proves that endlessly. Ds need to fix their style way more than tweaking their tax and infrastructure plans.

If they can't do cool like Obama, then they need to be tougher, and craftier.

Whining and getting constantly outplayed doesn't inspire confidence.
 
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Moonbeam

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BarkingGhostar said:
Ignoring Trump, by those voting for him again:

Ignore the guilt by association with known child sex-trafficker Jeffery Epstein.
Ignore the lying on hot mike and revealed by Bob Woodward in Rage about the pandemic and likes to play it down.
Ignore the fact he paid less to the USA than China on income taxes.
Ignore the fact he tried to use the US government to defend himself in law suits against him, not his presidency.
Ignore the fact he continually and openly lies about the state of COVID-19 and its impact on Americans
...
...
...
Ignore the fact that those voting for Trump again are guilty by association, IMO, to be cohort pedophiles, liars, and illegal business operators. You Know Who You Are! And you cannot blame ignorance on your actions. Everything above is a lie to you.

PS I wouldn't trust any of you with my enemy's child in a sleepover.

Okay, haven said all that :p how are you folks all doing this day?

Moved from OT.
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It’s just that they are Republicans so filled with self contempt for voting as they do the escape that shame by believing Democrats are worse.
 
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darkswordsman17

Lifer
Mar 11, 2004
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Bitek said:
Agreed. Gotta be careful condemning motivations on the other side.

I think it's crazy, and I hate Trump and what he's done, but not everyone is looking at the same things I am, so they will vote differently.

Ultimately, I think that's good news, as it means half the country isn't hopelessly racist and corrupt. That also means that the D electoral problems are fixable.

Some voters are voting on style as much as substance. Trump proves that endlessly. Ds need to fix their style way more than tweaking their tax and infrastructure plans.

If they can't do cool like Obama, then they need to be tougher, and craftier.

Whining and getting constantly outplayed doesn't inspire confidence.
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Its already lost then. If having sane people be in office depends on them having to clown it up, then we're already fucked.
 
BarkingGhostar

BarkingGhostar

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ultimatebob said:
Noo... this is definitely a Trump rant, and it belongs in the P&N forum.

Seriously, I'll promise to stay out of the P&N forum if they keep their posts over there. I know that they hate me, anyway :)
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I'm taling about an individual, and those saddling up to that person. Makes no difference what their occupation is. It is that individual's character, or lack thereof, and the things that person does or doesn't do and those that want to be like them and in doing so make the gesture, which now imbues them with the same shine, negative or positive. For instance, let's think about the nutters that want to marry death row inmates and those friends or family that support the nutter in their wish to marry said death row people. By extension they are imbuing themselves with the same characteristics. Now take this on a lager scale. A much larger scale and you have a sociology situation worth discussing.

The wife and I have been talking about this for the past two days. I joked that very good friends of ours we can no longer associate with, by extension because their parents decided they liked someone that had a very bad character and we didn't want to be thought of as being like that character. I would imagine most clergy probably wouldn't want to be associated with pedophiles, but how do you think they feel--the ones not conducting such behavior--feel if they are good friends, before and after, learning a member is one, and then continues to be said friend? I wouldn't expect many to still want to go to that church because they don't like such an association.

And then there are those Ford types. Hahaha But I still feel this is an excellent time to someone majoring in sociology for a research thesis, and the wife agreed. See, I like being associated with her. :)
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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s0me0nesmind1 said:
That's the key though at a lot of people seem to blanketly want to ignore.

They chalk it up to racism.... even though a core of Trump voters were Obama voters.

I just don't care for anyone who throws blankets across things.... Such as - this election won't be close, look at the polls!
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I don't see that voting Obama proves one isn't racist. How do you figure that? It's quite possible someone might vote Trump because of anxiety about immigration and the changing racial make-up of the country, or out of fear at 'them' getting 'something for nothing' or out of a racist association of black people with crime...but also have felt that after the financial crash and Iraq that Obama was the best candidate to clean up the mess left by Dubya. Those are not mutually-exclusive things.

Having said that, I'm still agnostic as to the exact mix of racial and economic motivations in Trumpery. Those things intermix in complicated ways, I don't think you can clearly separate them. I didn't find those 'studies' that purported to 'prove' that 'economic anxiety' wasn't the driver of Trump voters, very convincing.
 
Bitek

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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pmv said:
I don't see that voting Obama proves one isn't racist. How do you figure that? It's quite possible someone might vote Trump because of anxiety about immigration and the changing racial make-up of the country, or out of fear at 'them' getting 'something for nothing' or out of a racist association of black people with crime...but also have felt that after the financial crash and Iraq that Obama was the best candidate to clean up the mess left by Dubya. Those are not mutually-exclusive things.

Having said that, I'm still agnostic as to the exact mix of racial and economic motivations in Trumpery. Those things intermix in complicated ways, I don't think you can clearly separate them. I didn't find those 'studies' that purported to 'prove' that 'economic anxiety' wasn't the driver of Trump voters, very convincing.
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Similarly, I don't think a vote for T means one is automatically racist either.

A better interpretation would be that they aren't particularly anti-racist (assuming they are aware of the news even casually.)
 
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