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UsandThem

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As a writer, I open several ?Word? documents along with several Web pages at a time and need the system that can handle that task.

Get a stick 512 Mb of ram. It is not that much more and XP needs 256 Mb to run somewhat smoothly. Having several documents and web pages open at once will bring the PC to a crawl.

No to be rude, but since when did 70 year old guys start building their own computers :D
 

Old Man River

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Get a stick 512 Mb of ram. It is not that much more and XP needs 256 Mb to run somewhat smoothly. Having several documents and web pages open at once will bring the PC to a crawl.

I have a total of 512MB of RAM now, with the (2) 256MB sticks side-by-side.

And, I?m thinking of getting two 512MB of RAM sticks side-by-side to give me a full gig of ram just in case of the future.

And, I?m thinking of changing my mind again; and getting that Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM, just in case.

And, I?m thinking of changing my mind again; and getting a AMD Sempron 3100
And keep my same motherboard: the BIOSTAR "M7NCG 400" nForce2 IGP Motherboard to keep the heat down and maybe some other advantage, I know not what.

And, I?m thinking of changing my mind again; and getting another Motherboard; one that is a Socket 754 instead of a Socket A. No, I don?t want to do that...but, well maybe I do... Sigh! I don?t know!

And, I?m thinking of changing my mind again; and getting a Pentium, but... ?Speed?, ?Over clock?, or was it overstock ya all were saying. I?m thinking, ?How do you clock a desktop? Do you flip switches, toggle mini switches, rotate a screw with a screwdriver, or do you use a duel trace Tektronix scope looking at a Bit Steam clocked from another Bit Steam??

What is the matter with me? I can?t make up my mind!

Is everyone else like that; can?t make up their minds on so many options to go? So many choices for what ever the budget allows, or... Never mind.


Not to be rude, but since when did 70 year old guys start building their own computers.

You?re not rude, you?re just like me. They do it before they become too blind to see, or too feeble to remember the difference in a screwdriver and a knife. But, then again, you?re opening up a venue for an ol? man to reflect on his past, to brag a little and you don?t want to do too much of that.

For more then 45 years, I worked at the Kennedy Space Center (Cape Canaveral) doing the same job with several contracts with Radiation Inc., RCA, United Space Alliance on their computers that support launches and landings of space craft such as Timing And Countdown systems, Abort and Destruct, and the Communications networks; Center to Center, Building to Building System to System, and from Earth to outer space (Astrocomm), all in the same department.

From almost five years before I was forced to retire due to health problems, I taught these systems to young men and women in their 20s just out of school, or the military while as I was supporting the system for operations and maintaining them. They taught me, as I was teaching them. As a lead, I wrote support and maintenance manuals and they gobbled them up and hid them before they were authorized for release. I got no Turkey Dinner from the company as I left, but the guys and galls called me a Turkey when they handed me a silver pocket watch on a silver chain as they grinned at me saying their finals. They still wont leave me alone, wanting me to keep in touch, come over, or go out for dinner. Darn Turkeys, they are, they are, they are. I said that three times, just because I love em.

We had plenty of desktops used as control interfaces with the system using Unix as an OS, and we had the regular desktops loaded with support information docs linked to support information systems monitored by other support departments and loaded with Microsoft OS and Office, but we never maintained them, another department did that. We were not allowed to.

Other than the size, you have no idea on how similar, but different the two types of computers are (Systems and desktops); the processes are the same, but the languages are different and so are the ways you install, work on, use, and maintain them. If you were to look closely, stick you head into them, put your eyeball right on this, or that particular object, and gaze into it?s vast inner working technology, you would be amazed at how similar they are.

Ah, there I go; blabbing my head off. That?s not what this forum is for. I?m sorry.

 

ts3433

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Originally posted by: Old Man River
Ah, there I go; blabbing my head off. That?s not what this forum is for. I?m sorry.

You haven't seen ATOT on some "typical nights." :laugh: You're not a worthless nef, so don't worry.

If you were changing your mind on CPU and getting a Sempron 3100+, I don't know if there are very many good integrated graphics boards for S754 (as was said before, don't waste money on a Radeon 7000, GF4MX, Radeon 9200SE, or similar unless it's on the board already). You might be able to find some good microATX boards (they'll work in your mid-tower).

Don't worry about "future-proofing" with your build--a typewriter/web terminal is a typewriter/web terminal. Limiting factors for these two applications are not CPU and RAM (since your setup is already plenty sufficient), they're the skill of the typist and the speed of the internet connection, which is a different matter.

If this comes to be too much of a hassle to build, look for a Dell deal--for this low-end a rig, you may actually be able to get it cheaper (the incentive to build resides more at the $1000-and-up tiers, or sometimes $800 and up for gaming applications).
 

Old Man River

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I know, but I just may do it for the fun of it and the knowledge I may gain, hell I?ve already gained quite a lot in this already from you and others on this forum. I just hope it is as easy to build and set up as others have told me, both here and elsewhere. If I get into trouble with building and setting it up, I may ask a few questions, and if that overwhelms me, I?ll take it to a computer repair place and have them work the troubles out. The only thing I?ve changed my mind on is the hard drive. I think I will go with the Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A, OEM
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=22-148-015&depa=1

It?s only a few dollars more, and who can say if one will need that big of a hard drive? I have the total of $827.50 Total, Plus Tax & Shipping on this project and that?s with all the software. The system is costing me $552.50
And the soft wear is costing me $275.00; (There about)

I once could type 60 WPM, but lately I?m down to around fifteen to twenty. Writing novels is fun, but it?s slowing me down. I?m published, but only in the Technical end. I like to have fun with the fiction. I have four written and one ready for publishing that I?m working with an agent on. I may be lucky, very lucky if I ever get one published, before I die.

I like Dell, I have one now, but I don?t like all the junk they load onto it.

I?ve not been to too many places on this forum, trying not to get caught up in that. Off Topic here is no different than the fishing forums I?ve been on, one of them I was a moderator and administrator of until I got sick of the childishness and quit moderating. I hardly ever post anymore, anywhere; I don?t have the time for that. I?m taking the time here so that I can relax and play with my project, but I will need to get back to my writing.


 

ts3433

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As I said earlier: To save money on software, see about getting OpenOffice.org--have someone download it for you and burn it to CD if you don't want to tie up your 56k connection for too long. It's compatible with most MS Office file formats and works very well, at least for me.

Also, instead of an XP2700, see if there's a boxed Sempron at an okay clock speed that you can get for a little cheaper--$100 is a bit steep for an AXP these days.
 

Old Man River

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Is the AMD Athlon an older version processor then the Sempron? In other words, is the Sempron newer?

I found this one for $111.00:

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AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz, 333MHz FSB, 256KB L2 Processor ? Retail
$111.00

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=19-104-213&depa=1

Specifications:
Model: AMD Sempron 2800+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: 333 MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 256KB
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail( with Heatsink and Fan)

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It?s only a few dollars more that the one I had selected. I just may get it; it?s a socket A and a match to everything I?ve selected so far. This is the Atholon XP 2700 I had previously chosen.

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AMD Athlon XP 2700+, 333MHz FSB, 256K Cache Processor ? Retail

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=19-103-342&depa=1

$103.00 AMD Athlon XP 2700 Processor

Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2700+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 2.17GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)

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Also, as you have told me:

Yeah, that is a good NF2 IGP motherboard--make sure to get 2x256 of RAM for dual channel, though, as this is the rare instance you'll benefit from it with an AXP.

Well, comes now, I?ve found that I?ve mistakenly chose one that is not a Dual Kit 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR, but only two stick of:

$36.63 Corsair Value Select 256MB DDR PC-3200

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=20-145-025&depa=1

Specifications:
Manufacturer: Corsair
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

When what I should have gone for was:

Corsair Value Select Dual Kits 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail

$78.00

Specifications:
Manufacturer: Corsair
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: two 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=20-145-477&depa=1

But that?s all right. I don?t want either because of what I read in our forum for CPU/Processors and Overclocking; Topic Title: Overclocking Guide by UberL33tJarad
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...1072&enterthread=y was quite helpful to me.

He mentions:

What do the different memory timings mean?
CAS Latency , sometimes referred to as CL or CAS, is the minimum number of cycles the ram must wait until it can read or write again. Obviously, the lower the number (time), the better.

So I just want a stick of:

Corsair Value Select 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 ? Retail

$69.05

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=20-145-026&depa=1

Specification
Manufacturer: Corsair
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

And, I think there is something good in that Bandwidth:3.2GB though I know not why. I?ve always thought the wider the Bandwidth...the better you are.

There?s a wealth of information on these forums worth looking into and I wish I would spend a little more time poking about. I have a million questions to ask, unless I find as I have, the answers before me.


 

ts3433

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No, you can just get 2 sticks of the same stuff (exactly like you had) and they will run flawlessly in dual channel 99.9% of the time. You don't need any kind of dual pack--that's marketing stuff.

The Socket A Semprons are just rebadged Thoroughbred-core Athlon XPs; the processor you chose is clocked 170MHz higher than that Sempron annyway though, so go with that(the PR ratings for each brand are based on different scales). You can also try and look into something a little cheaper, if you want.

By the way, the bandwidth rating for RAM is indicated by the PC___ rating (PC3200 = 3.2 GB/s). Your processor will not even utilize all of that unless you overclock it from 166 to 200 FSB, and you will not need to worry about this. You still may as well get PC3200 even if not overclocking, though, since costs are pretty similar and you can carry this over better to an A64 if by some odd turn of events you find a need for one.
 

Old Man River

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I'll think on what you've just told me, but I forgot to add this:

As I said earlier: To save money on software, see about getting OpenOffice.org--have someone download it for you and burn it to CD if you don't want to tie up your 56k connection for too long. It's compatible with most MS Office file formats and works very well, at least for me.

Well, I do have my old Microsoft Office 2000 Premium SR-1 box set of CD. The only thing is I?ve heard locally that it doesn?t work well on Windows XP. Something about spell check not working. I can?t live with that, but I?ve been thinking of posting this query on the software Forum and ask if that is true, I just haven?t taken the time to do that, yet.



 

jvarszegi

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Originally posted by: Old Man River
I'll think on what you've just told me, but I forgot to add this:

As I said earlier: To save money on software, see about getting OpenOffice.org--have someone download it for you and burn it to CD if you don't want to tie up your 56k connection for too long. It's compatible with most MS Office file formats and works very well, at least for me.

Well, I do have my old Microsoft Office 2000 Premium SR-1 box set of CD. The only thing is I?ve heard locally that it doesn?t work well on Windows XP. Something about spell check not working. I can?t live with that, but I?ve been thinking of posting this query on the software Forum and ask if that is true, I just haven?t taken the time to do that, yet.

OpenOffice works great! Luckily for you, I can also verify that Office 2000 works just fine on Windows XP. Microsoft probably doesn't want you to know that, of course... ;) Happy computing.

 

ts3433

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I love OO myself (which, by the way, is based on an older version of Sun StarOffice)--I'm 14, and with the limited disposable income of someone who is not of legal age to work, I didn't want to spend a whole hell of a lot of money on software with my build (that's why I also use things like AntiVir for free virus protection), so I went with this. The interface is much the same.

EDIT: Fixed a weird oxymoron, double negative, or something. "Antivirus protection"... that's a new one.
 

jvarszegi

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Originally posted by: ts3433
I love OO myself (which, by the way, is based on an older version of Sun StarOffice)--I'm 14, and with the limited disposable income of someone who is not of legal age to work, I didn't want to spend a whole hell of a lot of money on software with my build (that's why I also use things like AntiVir for free antivirus protection), so I went with this. The interface is much the same.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that it's not based on an older version; it's more appropriate to say it originated in some code from an older version of StarOffice, and StarOffice now extends it! Sun donated the StarOffice core code to the world to form the OpenOffice project, still has developers actively working on it now, and uses that code as the basis for the current StarOffice. That's my understanding, anyway; I started poking through that stuff recently to find documentation and code related to the BIFF8 file format, which is used by Excel.
 

Old Man River

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The Socket A Semprons are just rebadged Thoroughbred-core Athlon XPs; the processor you chose is clocked 170MHz higher than that Sempron annyway though, so go with that(the PR ratings for each brand are based on different scales). You can also try and look into something a little cheaper, if you want.

I went to New Egg last night and looked at the specs for the Sampron, comparing their frequencies with the Athlon as I progressed higher in their price until I was in the price range of the Pentiums.

Surprising as it was, it seems as though the Semprons jumped from cheap to expensive right away and the newer, costlier, and the higher frequencies were as costly as the Pentiums.

So what do you have to base your choices on; generated heat, cost, speed, and breakdown performance record. The performance record that the AMD Athlon XP 2700+, 333MHz FSB is that good. I?ve heard that personally from many people. That?s why I chose it. I don?t want the XP 2800 for the reason that, it is not all that good. If I had to chose a second choice processor, it would be the Intel Pentium 4 2.0A 400MHz costing $118.00:

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=19-116-132&depa=1

That?s interesting, there?s not much in between and I came out with the same choice, the AMD Athlon XP 2700 is my first choice. But, that?s only my opinion. Now I don?t have anything more to base my opinion on, other than word-of-mouth. Nor am I taking in the account of those who use these processors for gaming; that?s a whole different story. In fact I would say that there must be plenty of magazine articles and manuscripts written on this subject out there right now. I bet it has been discussed right on these forums here too.

I?ve got to spend some time looking at these forums. For what little time I have spent looking around, I?ve come out with a wealth of information; you all have a very good forum here.




 

Old Man River

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Well, shut my mouth! Here looks like a good bargain for the price, and it seems from the reviews on Newegg that it is a good one. I?m tired and blind now, but I must have been more so last night,

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology ? OEM

$135.00 Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, Hyper Threading Technology

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=19-116-158&depa=1

Specification
Model: Intel Pentium 4 2.4C w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Northwood
Operating Frequency: 2.4GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.525V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2
Packaging: OEM

 

ts3433

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I recommend you just stay with the AXP--the 2.4C is ~$30 more, but I'd wager you'd get slightly better performance with your 2700+. (Remember, raw clockspeed isn't everything--architectural differences are what enable, say, a 1.8GHz Athlon 64 to perform better than a 3GHz Pentium 4.)

Also: LOL at 2.0A for $120. Don't even consider that.