I think the Kerry supporters in here should learn a lesson from their man

[rudeguy]

its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

All throughout the whole campaign there was terrible mud slinging, which I guess is fair since both parties were doing it. But now the election is over and we need to work on uniting our great country, and not seperating it.

What do you guys say? Can we go back to the way of thinking we all had back in late 2001 and early 2002? Anyone else remember Republicans and Democrats being united, passing bills because they were good for America? I think I even remember them standing side by side Singing "God Bless America".

 

[T2T III]

Bravo Kerry. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Bravo Kerry. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

Can you define accept defeat more concretely? A lot of conservatives expect Kerry voters to somehow admit they have been wrong for years and now accept Jesus as their lord and savior. I see I'm going to have to repeat this a lot: the election decided who's in power; it did not decide who is wrong or right.

(PS go back to the normal forums; don't need you here orchestrating P&N. )

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

No kidding. I'll stand united with my Republican brothers and sisters when we can agree on what is good for America. I'm not going to agree with them just because we all should be friends, that's the surest way for a Democracy to fall apart.

I conceed Bush won, that doesn't mean I have to agree with all of his ideas all of a sudden.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

Can you define accept defeat more concretely? A lot of conservatives expect Kerry voters to somehow admit they have been wrong for years and now accept Jesus as their lord and savior. I see I'm going to have to repeat this a lot: the election decided who's in power; it did not decide who is wrong or right.

(PS go back to the normal forums; don't need you here orchestrating P&N. )

Of course you want it defined for you. You can't figure out humility on your own? You have to keep repeating your opinion because many of us have stopped listening to you. If he's new to P&N like you say he is he just doesn't know you yet.

(PS go back to your life without a computer; don't need your "better than thou" judgements passed along here)

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

Can you define accept defeat more concretely? A lot of conservatives expect Kerry voters to somehow admit they have been wrong for years and now accept Jesus as their lord and savior. I see I'm going to have to repeat this a lot: the election decided who's in power; it did not decide who is wrong or right.

Well....maybe who is wrong or right according to what the median American voter thinks.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

A margin of victory is no more important then getting more than half of the nation on your side. If you think margin of victory is more important you are mistaken.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

Because there were no viable Third Party Candidates running. He did not do that well as far as getting that much higher of a percentage of the vote. Of course the Republican Spinmiesters will totally disregard that little fact and make it seem like the Dub got an overwhelming mandate from the American Public which, of course, will be false!

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

Because there were no viable Third Party Candidates running. He did not do that well as far as getting that much higher of a percentage of the vote. Of course the Republican Spinmiesters will totally disregard that little fact and make it seem like the Dub got an overwhelming mandate from the American Public which, of course, will be false!

Agreed. That Bush got over 50% of the vote is more a testament to how close everyone knew this election was going to be...not one to how awesome Bush is.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

A margin of victory is no more important then getting more than half of the nation on your side. If you think margin of victory is more important you are mistaken.

Not as far as who gets the job but as far as it meaning a Mandate it does.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

No kidding. I'll stand united with my Republican brothers and sisters when we can agree on what is good for America. I'm not going to agree with them just because we all should be friends, that's the surest way for a Democracy to fall apart.

I conceed Bush won, that doesn't mean I have to agree with all of his ideas all of a sudden.

True. But there's no point in sitting around pouting and grumping about what can't be changed, which some have been doing for four years already. Let's stop chewing old soup, for crying out loud, and get on with trying to make things better. Attitude is everything.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

Unless the margin of victory was less than 1%, the winner would have had to get 50% of the vote. 1% is VERY close, obviously, so I don't see the importance of the magical 50%.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

He did not do that well as far as getting that much higher of a percentage of the vote. Of course the Republican Spinmiesters will totally disregard that little fact and make it seem like the Dub got an overwhelming mandate from the American Public which, of course, will be false!

He has the highest mandate from the country in 16 years.

Total vote = 100%

Bush > 50 %
All other candidates <50%

He did not do well in getting a higher percentage of the vote?

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

Can you define accept defeat more concretely? A lot of conservatives expect Kerry voters to somehow admit they have been wrong for years and now accept Jesus as their lord and savior. I see I'm going to have to repeat this a lot: the election decided who's in power; it did not decide who is wrong or right.

(PS go back to the normal forums; don't need you here orchestrating P&amp;N. )

I am not saying that you have to agree with Bush, heck I hope you disagree with him. It means you actually have an opinion on things. The great thing about living here is that we can all have our own views on things and we will fight to the death to protect that right.

I have heard so many personal attacks on people just because of their political views. Maybe I am partial, but it seems to be Dems preaching the hate. At work we are pretty much 50/50 as far as our politcal views. The Dems always seem to get mad and fall back on attacking us instead of talking about what they see as right. Monday night I left work wishing them luck in the election. They were still saying "You better hope your man wins!"

I dont know. I just want things to get back to us all being Americans, and not Republicans and Democrats.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

A margin of victory is no more important then getting more than half of the nation on your side. If you think margin of victory is more important you are mistaken.

Not as far as who gets the job but as far as it meaning a Mandate it does.

The mandate is set by voting. The winner has the mandate via the Electoral College.

 

[assemblage]

Bah, let 'em cry and whine

 

[rudeguy]

oh, and for everyone wanting definition of what I am talking about, simply check out this thread.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well....maybe who is wrong or right according to what the median American voter thinks.

That would simply be an appeal to popularity. A logical fallacy.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

bush is the first president since reagan to have won more than 50% of the vote

He did not do that well as far as getting that much higher of a percentage of the vote. Of course the Republican Spinmiesters will totally disregard that little fact and make it seem like the Dub got an overwhelming mandate from the American Public which, of course, will be false!

He has the highest mandate from the country in 16 years.

Total vote = 100%

Bush > 50 %
All other candidates <50%

He did not do well in getting a higher percentage of the vote?

No. What he's saying is that (VOTESbush - VOTESkerry) isn't more than (VOTESclinton96 - VOTESdole96) or any of the other margins of victory in recent elections other than 2000...

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

hahaha, you guys will pull anything out just to make it look better for your side.