I think I'm done...

[RavenSEAL]

It can be slow, play conquest, haha.

conquest feels like I'm playing CoD to be honest, everything in the damn maps feels like it's packed up within a 100 meter radius.

 

[LurkerPrime]

You should try out World of Tanks (its Free to download and play, so nothing to lose). Think of it as an FPS with tanks, more tactics and less twitchiness involved. There is an entire thread about it, so if you want to know more you can go read that.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I cant compete in twitch games anymore. Probably a combination of my age + not enough time to devote to the games. FPS are out for me.

This, for the most part. However, I honestly don't believe age has much to do with it. I think it is mainly the time factor. We simply don't have 8 hours after school to dump on a single game, like back in the college days of Counter Strike 7.1 Beta...

Additionally, it wasn't until I started to really dump time into MMOs that my FPS skills went down the toilet. I think when I played DAOC bout 10 years ago after 3 months I tried to play some twitch games and was never the same since...

 

[Tim]

There are those who like BF3 and good for them; but the fact is previous BF games emphasized different things and those of us who enjoyed that are looking for a return.

BF3 will still be there even if 2143/BF4 return to the old formula. That's what BF3 lovers tell us, is that BF2 is still here for us...

Please expand out on these differences between BF2 and BF3, because I have no clue what you're talking about. Ever heard of conquest mode?

 

[s1njin]

This, for the most part. However, I honestly don't believe age has much to do with it. I think it is mainly the time factor. We simply don't have 8 hours after school to dump on a single game, like back in the college days of Counter Strike 7.1 Beta...

Additionally, it wasn't until I started to really dump time into MMOs that my FPS skills went down the toilet. I think when I played DAOC bout 10 years ago after 3 months I tried to play some twitch games and was never the same since...

I've always maintained that playing COD on my 360 is like a full time job if you want to be competitive in match (as opposed to cannon fodder).

Which is the whole reason I'm going to try BF3 (again on console, all these friggin' problems with BF3 crapping out would annoy the hell out of me) as there is more space on the maps and its not as much a twitch fest.

As I also play lots of Skyrim (PC - love me some mods) and occasionally play some HALO CE Anniversary, I'm sure I will suck at BF3. However, at least I won't have to be jacked up on espresso to be reasonably effective.

 

[shortylickens]

Even if those games were good quality I would have burned out on them a long time ago. Companies like EA and Ubi are just too fucking greedy and the average console gamer is just too damn stupid. They piss away 60 bucks at a time on garbage and then cry when a company they know to only care about the bottom line keeps crapping out more garbage.

But since thats where the big money is, PC gamers have to put up with overpriced, crummy ports or no games at all.

Am glad we still have Blizzard but again, being more worried about profit than game quality, they seem to be putting most of their effort into WoW, so we gotta wait several years at a time for a new StarCraft or Diablo game.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Please expand out on these differences between BF2 and BF3, because I have no clue what you're talking about. Ever heard of conquest mode?

You think I'm playing Rush? No, BF3 is extremely CoD fast paced in Conquest mode compared to BF2 conquest mode, both because weapon deadliness is up, and map sizes are down. Spraying and praying becomes simply spraying because deviation and recoil are low enough to be unmeaningful.

map sizes
weapon ranges
no teamwork tools(commo rose that doesn't do shit, no orders rose, no in-game voip)
overall approach to game design that tunnels enemies to fighting in the same spot all the time
That's probably not even half the major problems without going to peripheral concerns like garbage flight models, lock on weapons that are either useless at times or overpowered at other times, etc.

 

[Gheris]

I personally gave up on FPS games a long time ago. Though I did love the early Call of Duty and Medal of Honor games that were based in World War II. I have a console myslef and have always had one, but I cannot deny that once my favorite FPS series started showing up on the consoles the quality of the product has been degrading. When these franchises were PC exclusive it seems as thought he developers had more time to do things. This is not a criticism, it's an observation.

 

[shortylickens]

Medal of Honor peaked with Pacific Assault. Call of Duty 1 is still the best. And no one had made a game better than Battlefield 1942.

 

[Raduque]

I find all mutliplayer-centric shoots immensely boring unless I'm playing with a group of friend I know IRL.

So I wait till they're around $20-30 and buy them for the 5-10hr single player campaigns.

 

[Dankk]

Medal of Honor peaked with Pacific Assault. Call of Duty 1 is still the best. And no one had made a game better than Battlefield 1942.

I find all of this to be accurate.

 

[Gheris]

Medal of Honor peaked with Pacific Assault. Call of Duty 1 is still the best. And no one had made a game better than Battlefield 1942.

Call of Duty 1, I will never forget the start of the game. When a Mortar goes off close to your location right after parachuting in.....wow that was awesome.

Battlefield 1942, my buddy and I would play against the cpu on the hardest difficulty when not playing online. CPU always managed to perfectly aim rockets into our faces. Was so fun.

I didn't mind Battlefield Vietnam either...though the stage with Vietcong propaganda..."GI, GIIIIIII you don't need to fight."

 

[shurato]

I cant compete in twitch games anymore. Probably a combination of my age + not enough time to devote to the games. FPS are out for me.

I'm in my 30's and I still play hard with twitch FPS games. I think it's me being in denial that I'm getting old and my reflexes aren't what it used to be like during the Quake days.

I get a lot of satisfaction still being able to own the youngsters in Modern Warfare 3.

I wonder if I'll still be good in my 40's.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Edit, wrong thread, wtf...

 

[astrosfan315]

I've taken the approach of playing 'crappy' shooters just to see how crappy they really are b/c I am that bored. My latest acquisition has been homefront. Crappy yes but also fun LOL.

 

[Stuxnet]

Part of the problem is that I just don't know what else can be done in terms of game design for FPS's. Destructible environments are cool, but that's just prolonging the life support. Until there's an overhaul on the input side of things (give me a room, a gun analogue, and put me IN it!), I don't nkow what else there is to do.

 

[NoSoup4You]

BF3 is unbelievably good, I don't get all the hate but then again you can't make everyone happy. If you don't like the amped up action then don't play on 64 player servers. There are tons of Conquest 32 player servers or even go down one further to 24, the browser allows you to filter accordingly. The game still plays great with those player populations, just not as fast n' furious.

The B2K maps Gulf of Oman and Wake Island are definitely old school Battlefield in how they play and feel. To an extent. The spawning mechanics are drastically different in BF3, you can spawn on any squadmate so it makes the maps play differently. But still, there's a solid distance between flags on Conquest and you definitely feel like you're in the middle of nowhere.

But, if you're playing them on 64 player servers you're never too far away from a firefight, so play them on 32 or maybe find one of those custom servers with around 48 players...etc.

Let me say the game is not perfect, and I understand it's not for everyone. But some of the reasons listed in this thread (OP weapons) are just flat out unfair. BF2 has the most OP weapons of the entire BF franchise - the J10. I think they finally nerfed it after years and years of total domination, but then you can just lump all jets together as OP now since they absolutely crush every other unit/vehicle in the game. You catch my drift...

 

[shortylickens]

Part of the problem is that I just don't know what else can be done in terms of game design for FPS's. Destructible environments are cool, but that's just prolonging the life support. Until there's an overhaul on the input side of things (give me a room, a gun analogue, and put me IN it!), I don't nkow what else there is to do.

We arent anywhere near where we need to be with destructible environments. And we're moving along slowly besides. Red Faction came out like 10 years ago. We should have MUCH better games at this point.

 

[Stuxnet]

We arent anywhere near where we need to be with destructible environments. And we're moving along slowly besides. Red Faction came out like 10 years ago. We should have MUCH better games at this point.

I don't know man, BF3 does a pretty good job. I agree that we should be further along, but I disagree that taking it any further is going to be a game-changer. The genre doesn't need minor enhancements, it needs an overhaul... and getting destruction absolutely perfect will still only qualify as an enhancement. The entire experience needs renewed, not just one aspect of it.

 

[RavenSEAL]

We arent anywhere near where we need to be with destructible environments. And we're moving along slowly besides. Red Faction came out like 10 years ago. We should have MUCH better games at this point.

How about shooters where you don't run around a room the size of a McDonalds like a chicken with it's head cut off while shooting pewpewpewnorecoillasers and summoning jet bombers from up the ***?

 

[RavenSEAL]

BF3 is unbelievably good, I don't get all the hate but then again you can't make everyone happy. If you don't like the amped up action then don't play on 64 player servers. There are tons of Conquest 32 player servers or even go down one further to 24, the browser allows you to filter accordingly. The game still plays great with those player populations, just not as fast n' furious.

The B2K maps Gulf of Oman and Wake Island are definitely old school Battlefield in how they play and feel. To an extent. The spawning mechanics are drastically different in BF3, you can spawn on any squadmate so it makes the maps play differently. But still, there's a solid distance between flags on Conquest and you definitely feel like you're in the middle of nowhere.

But, if you're playing them on 64 player servers you're never too far away from a firefight, so play them on 32 or maybe find one of those custom servers with around 48 players...etc.

Let me say the game is not perfect, and I understand it's not for everyone. But some of the reasons listed in this thread (OP weapons) are just flat out unfair. BF2 has the most OP weapons of the entire BF franchise - the J10. I think they finally nerfed it after years and years of total domination, but then you can just lump all jets together as OP now since they absolutely crush every other unit/vehicle in the game. You catch my drift...

And yet I still enjoyed it from than this crap they call "Battlefield 3". Hell, I think I quit BF2 after about 500hrs of MP. I enjoyed BC2 up to 280hrs and with BF3 I've been on and off between 50 and 130hrs.

 

[Stuxnet]

How about shooters where you don't run around a room the size of a McDonalds like a chicken with it's head cut off while shooting pewpewpewnorecoillasers and summoning jet bombers from up the ***?

Huh? The smallest map in MW3 - Dome? - is like 4 McDonalds

Again, we're focusing on one element as the problem (map size, in this case).

The picture/problem is bigger than that, IMO.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

BF3 is unbelievably good, I don't get all the hate but then again you can't make everyone happy. If you don't like the amped up action then don't play on 64 player servers. There are tons of Conquest 32 player servers or even go down one further to 24, the browser allows you to filter accordingly. The game still plays great with those player populations, just not as fast n' furious.

The B2K maps Gulf of Oman and Wake Island are definitely old school Battlefield in how they play and feel. To an extent. The spawning mechanics are drastically different in BF3, you can spawn on any squadmate so it makes the maps play differently. But still, there's a solid distance between flags on Conquest and you definitely feel like you're in the middle of nowhere.

But, if you're playing them on 64 player servers you're never too far away from a firefight, so play them on 32 or maybe find one of those custom servers with around 48 players...etc.

Let me say the game is not perfect, and I understand it's not for everyone. But some of the reasons listed in this thread (OP weapons) are just flat out unfair. BF2 has the most OP weapons of the entire BF franchise - the J10. I think they finally nerfed it after years and years of total domination, but then you can just lump all jets together as OP now since they absolutely crush every other unit/vehicle in the game. You catch my drift...

That's not how Battlefield is supposed to be. It's supposed to be properly paced for 64 players. Not properly paced/map sized for 16 players and then if you play 64 you're screwed.

Large, expansive maps with more than 64 players, that's where the future of the series should be, not meatgrinding.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Huh? The smallest map in MW3 - Dome? - is like 4 McDonalds

Again, we're focusing on one element as the problem (map size, in this case).

The picture/problem is bigger than that, IMO.

I think the map sizes is what brings all these flaws together..

This:

That's not how Battlefield is supposed to be. It's supposed to be properly paced for 64 players. Not properly paced/map sized for 16 players and then if you play 64 you're screwed.

Large, expansive maps with more than 64 players, that's where the future of the series should be, not meatgrinding.

 

[Dankk]

Huh? The smallest map in MW3 - Dome? - is like 4 McDonalds

Ugh, Dome. That is a tiny map. It's basically just a small donut-shaped corridor with a building that branches off the side. That's it. That's the entire map. GG, Infinity Ward.

The map is so small that the enemy team can throw stun grenades directly at you immediately when the round begins.