I think I'm doing life wrong

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highland145

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You already travel like a gypsy so find like minded peeps. It's not like you're Quasimodo....right?

I'm in a different boat. Good...mostly. No debt, no mortgage, free income but a 15 y.o. that I 'm saving $$ for college.

Doing it wrong? Lifelong friend works for a major cpu maker. Brilliant guy. Got his notice that they were closing his place of employment after 30 years. He has many skills but I expect that he can't find a project manager job at 53y.o. and the same $$.

Anyway, it's a lot of effort to get together with peeps from my 20's and I'm in a town of 30K total. I really enjoy them and their company but...reasons....too much effort.
 

zinfamous

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Doing it wrong? Lifelong friend works for a major cpu maker. Brilliant guy. Got his notice that they were closing his place of employment after 30 years. He has many skills but I expect that he can't find a project manager job at 53y.o. and the same $$.

Good thing for you, that guy is probably going to need some loans.
 

highland145

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lol He's one of those ridiculously smart peeps....like you and your fam....pretty sure I wouldn't lend him.
 

Red Squirrel

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That reminds me kinda of my situation. Used to bust my ass in college between studying, homework etc and wondered how people even found the time to do anything social. The only time I could do anything social was maybe at dead times between end of the college year and before I start my summer job. Sometimes there was like a one month period or what not.

Now that I'm working full time I tend to have way more time, but all my friends from high school and college are all married with kids and the idea of "hanging out" is just non existing due to how crazy busy they are. I have a few unmarried friends so we hang out but that's about it.

I am happy where I am though, and being an introvert I don't really have the need to constantly go out and stuff. A fun "night out" for me is having a friend over and watch a movie or play video games or something. Actually, one thing I have not done in like forever is bowling, totally need to do that some time.
 

Sheep221

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Now that I'm working full time I tend to have way more time, but all my friends from high school and college are all married with kids and the idea of "hanging out" is just non existing due to how crazy busy they are. I have a few unmarried friends so we hang out but that's about it.
Unless you mean family where solo woman raises 3 or more very little children, they are not that busy, they just want to get rid of you. Once your friends find GFs, marry and do have children, they do have a free time but believe me, you cease to exist for them, they changed priorities and are no longer willing to spend time with you. I don't think I even been hanging outside with anyone who was in relationship in past 5 years. Since we all got out of college and started job(including older coworkers) where I work nobody goes outside with friends, they are with their family/SO exclusively. And I have worked for 4 employers so far. The only solution for the OP is to find like-minded people who like to hang out as adults and are not consumed by family life.
 
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Kaido

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Or at least way different than pretty much everyone around me including my friends. I worked really long hours during and after college. We were scraping by for a while so we had to be very frugal, a trait that has continued on until very recently. While I wouldn't say I really missed out on anything big there was an element of deferred gratification when it came to deciding to participate in more expensive social interactions.

Now I've turned those long hours of work into a good job thats low stress with flexible work weeks generally limited to 40hrs. Its also gotten us to the place where I am comfortable enough with our long term financial goals and existing foundation to 'loosen the belt' a bit in terms of our spending.

With the big increase in free time and being more interested in spending money on things like show\game tickets, trips to festivals etc I look around and it seems like everyone else is hitting peak time and\or money crunches from kids, increased bills, long work hours\pressures etc. Even dinners at houses have become somewhat difficult to schedule.

I don't think I would do anything differently but I'm a bit bummed that that my schedule seems off from a lot of other people's

It's a mix. Like, I work 70 hours a week. Partly because I love my job & partly because I know it's not going to be here forever (I work in IT Hardware), so I want to take advantage of it while I can. I'm already putting in Intel Compute Sticks, Razer Cores, and of course, virtual servers...stuff that is going to virtually eliminate my job at some point. The fun aspects of the job that I love aren't going to be around forever because desktop technology is becoming turnkey. My last half-dozen laptops have been $199 Asus or Toshiba models that I simply throw an SSD in & they are fine for 99% of users. Eventually VDI will work properly & we'll be back to mainframes & dumb terminals (granted, they'll be cloud servers & 4K thin clients).

Anyway, my time consists of 3 things: work, family, personal. Work is about 13 hours a day, 6 days a week, with commute. Family time after that, then personal time (either neffing or playing VR, or cooking something up in the kitchen, or once in awhile hanging out with a RL friend when our schedules coincide). More responsibilities now, so less time to just chill & do whatever with buddies. I'm also not an overly big social-activity person myself (games, shows, etc.), so I don't have to schedule that stuff so much, plus I try to avoid physical addictions as much as possible so my budget doesn't get eaten up (food costs enough, hah!). Like, a lot of my friends are weekend social drinkers & blow $100 a weekend. That's a car payment every month! terrycrews.jpg yo!

But everyone is free to do what makes them happy & my point isn't where your disposable income goes, but rather, one thing I've discovered as an adult is that a lot of what you see is an illusion. There's an awful lot of debt out there. Lots of the Facebook highlights live on credits cards with high balances & high interest rates. You just can't go nuts spending all the time on the money most people make, so you're seeing a lot of people digging into work to cover everything. Put stuff on cards, finance stuff, push off weekly paycheck tax withdrawl, halt 401k payments, etc. Then you get a nice big house, nice cars, nice vacations, and in some cases, I've seen $40k worth of furniture in friend's homes who have no business buying that stuff because they really can't afford it. Then some people start delaying having kids & starting their families, skip pursuing more schooling, etc.

I try to keep things simple. Debt is OK for school, cars (well, reasonable cars), and a home (not mansion). Anything else, cash-only, which means waiting a lot of times. Like, I just got a Vive VR headset ($800), but I tucked away a few bucks every week since February so it wasn't a big chunk out of my budget or savings. I've gotten to the point career-wise where I can eat lunch out every day if I want to, but I still keep things in a really simple financial management system (auto-pay bills through bank, his & her reloadable Serve cards with weekly auto-load allowances, and a backup CC for gas & emergencies, and then don't spend more than we make, i.e., don't live outside our means...effortless safety net) just so I don't get myself in trouble. I had a card table for a dinner table for, gosh, I don't know how many years after I got married, hahaha.

So yeah, I know what you're saying. It's just part of getting older. In your case, you were more disciplined than most people...didn't shoot yourself in the foot financially early-on, put in your dues at work at the start of the game so you could have a normal schedule later, etc. Which can stink if you want to be social & your peers are crunched on time. I spend a lot more time with "e-friends" (love you guys) than I do with RL friends simply because we all work or have kids or are in school or whatever. Gets me my social fix, but fits my schedule better. Someday I'll work regular hours & will have to find myself some hobbies to do in my free time, haha!
 

Kaido

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You are middle aged, don't have kids, and think you are superior because you have extra money and time.

In Connecticut, we call them DINK's - Double Income, No Kids. Hugely popular lifestyle here. Opens up a lot of doors financially! But like we discussed in the other thread, not everyone is, ah, cut out for kids. Not that they couldn't be, but I mentioned in one post that I had an uncle who I thought absolutely loathed us growing up. He'd visit & I was just sure he hated us until I got out of high school, and suddenly he could communicate with us. For whatever reason, kids & him were just two things that didn't function together. Then again, he was able to spend all of his time doing stuff like sailing around the world, so that was pretty cool. Although now they're old & alone, so there's something to be said for that too. But not everyone can have kids, or wants them, or wants to adopt, or whatever. Can't really judge!

The problem is that I only have a few friends my age who don't have a girlfriend/wife/kids/etc. The ones who don't are almost all universally basement dwellers, basically what society calls losers. No jobs, do nothing all day, typically live with family, etc. They're always available to hang out with tho! Hehe. And that doesn't make them bad people or anything...one of my buddies just took off for an extended weekend hiking in a different state because his schedule was totally clear. Wish I could do that! I do have a couple friends who are single but are progressing in their lives, but those are a lot more rare because eventually most people want to kind of settle down.

TL;DR: as an adult, relationships change due to responsibilities & time commitments. I'd love to take all summer off like I did when I was a kid & just goof off with my friends, but then I'd be homeless (and VR-less). No matter your situation, it can be difficult because you can get lonely no matter what your social status is, if you're cut off from your RL social network.
 

zinfamous

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lol He's one of those ridiculously smart peeps....like you and your fam....pretty sure I wouldn't lend him.

..so you're saying that when he says he's going to "balance his checkbook," it doesn't mean "count the money in his mattress every 2 weeks?"
 

HumblePie

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When you have kids, you don't have the same free time as someone without kids. Has nothing to do with social status unless you are rich enough to hire someone else to watch your kids all the time. Most people can't do that. I do well enough in my life, but with a 2 year old and another on the way my free time is basically changing diapers and watching paw patrol.
 

ControlD

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Sounds like you are doing it right to me. I would give my left nut to have a decent job that only required 40 hours/week.
 

Kaido

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When you have kids, you don't have the same free time as someone without kids. Has nothing to do with social status unless you are rich enough to hire someone else to watch your kids all the time. Most people can't do that. I do well enough in my life, but with a 2 year old and another on the way my free time is basically changing diapers and watching paw patrol.

LTP: Storybots (Netflix)
 

HumblePie

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LTP: Storybots (Netflix)

2 year old likes having a show on, but doesn't sit down long enough to watch it through all the way. They still run around and try to get into everything and destroy everything they can get their hands on. The TV show in the background just makes them have calm periods that occur as something in the show catches their eye for about 5 to 10 minutes before they run off again.
 

Red Squirrel

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Unless you mean family where solo woman raises 3 or more very little children, they are not that busy, they just want to get rid of you. Once your friends find GFs, marry and do have children, they do have a free time but believe me, you cease to exist for them, they changed priorities and are no longer willing to spend time with you. I don't think I even been hanging outside with anyone who was in relationship in past 5 years. Since we all got out of college and started job(including older coworkers) where I work nobody goes outside with friends, they are with their family/SO exclusively. And I have worked for 4 employers so far. The only solution for the OP is to find like-minded people who like to hang out as adults and are not consumed by family life.

I suppose that's probably true. If I think of being in their shoes, you go to work all day, get home to your kids/wife... you probably don't feel like spending time with anyone but them and just relax, then go to bed. Cycle continues. It's not a better or worse life, just different.
 

OverVolt

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You need new friends... find some activities that will enable you to hangout. I'm in a VERY similar situation. It'll work out its just not a priority for me atm but its on the back burner that I'm going to need some friends.
 
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disappoint

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2 year old likes having a show on, but doesn't sit down long enough to watch it through all the way. They still run around and try to get into everything and destroy everything they can get their hands on. The TV show in the background just makes them have calm periods that occur as something in the show catches their eye for about 5 to 10 minutes before they run off again.

I was at the airport a while back. I noticed a 2-3 year old little boy sitting down next to his parents who were waiting for someone in the arrivals area. He was watching something on a little laptop computer. Very well behaved little boy. One of his arms was elevated and was displaying arm catalepsy. I kid you not.
 

OverVolt

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I was at the airport a while back. I noticed a 2-3 year old little boy sitting down next to his parents who were waiting for someone in the arrivals area. He was watching something on a little laptop computer. Very well behaved little boy. One of his arms was elevated and was displaying arm catalepsy. I kid you not.
I dunno you're the one who is all pro-internet, internet is life.
 

disappoint

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I googled arm catalepsy thinking it was some gross looking disease or something, but, I have no idea what those people are doing.

Hypnosis which is another word for a calm state of mind. It's between the fully awake state and asleep state. You pass through this stage every time you go to sleep. You're in that state every time you are fully engrossed watching a movie complete with suspension of disbelief or if you've ever daydreamed staring out of a window for example. Another example would be if you've ever driven your car somewhere and when you arrived at your destination you can't remember how you got there.

The arm catalepsy I was referring to was just arm muscle rigidity. The arm was raised and stayed in the same position for a long time and was controlled by the subconscious mind.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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It's a mix. Like, I work 70 hours a week. Partly because I love my job & partly because I know it's not going to be here forever (I work in IT Hardware), so I want to take advantage of it while I can.

Anyway, my time consists of 3 things: work, family, personal. Work is about 13 hours a day, 6 days a week, with commute.

I'll never understand why someone willing works 13 hours a day, 6 days a week. There is just so much more out there to do and to enjoy.
 

Kaido

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I'll never understand why someone willing works 13 hours a day, 6 days a week. There is just so much more out there to do and to enjoy.

I get paid to play with new computer hardware toys all day. If I didn't have a family, I'd probably spend all day here lol. I get paid for what I used to have to do at home & pay for myself! :D

In all seriousness though, I really enjoy my job quite a bit. Finding a career that was a good fit took my days from "meh, this is a job" to "man, this is a fun career!". Had to go through a few jobs I didn't like to figure out what I did enjoy. Big big difference in my day-to-day & my attitude when I wake up to go to work in the mornings. It's busy, but I like it. Plus I get home at the same time as my family, so it doesn't kill my personal time (aside from Saturdays, but that's pretty standard for server maintenance & whatnot). At some point, I'd like to transition into filmmaking full-time, and that has an even crazier scheduler & more hours, although it's a bit more flexible so you can still spend time with family & not be locked into a standard schedule. Granted, I have ADD & hate being bored, so having a lot of fun stuff to do is great for me.

It all depends on what motivates you, and also seeing if you can work that into a career. In particular, (1) work a hobby you love into a career you get paid for, and (2) doing the hobby to work transition without getting sick of it as a hobby. I know quite a few people who have been able to do this. For example, my wife's personal trainer is a competitive bodybuilder in our region. She pays the bills by training people, so she basically gets to work out for free all day, has free gym access, etc. Know another guy who was outdoorsy & became a park ranger. Basically gets paid to hike around all day. So many job options available...there are over 14,000 different types of jobs in America alone.

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bshole

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Or at least way different than pretty much everyone around me including my friends. I worked really long hours during and after college. We were scraping by for a while so we had to be very frugal, a trait that has continued on until very recently. While I wouldn't say I really missed out on anything big there was an element of deferred gratification when it came to deciding to participate in more expensive social interactions.

Now I've turned those long hours of work into a good job thats low stress with flexible work weeks generally limited to 40hrs. Its also gotten us to the place where I am comfortable enough with our long term financial goals and existing foundation to 'loosen the belt' a bit in terms of our spending.

With the big increase in free time and being more interested in spending money on things like show\game tickets, trips to festivals etc I look around and it seems like everyone else is hitting peak time and\or money crunches from kids, increased bills, long work hours\pressures etc. Even dinners at houses have become somewhat difficult to schedule.

I don't think I would do anything differently but I'm a bit bummed that that my schedule seems off from a lot of other people's

Yea you did do it all wrong. My college experience was 5 years of hedonism. Drugs, alcohol and women. It was one grand debauche. I was young fit and vital. Those 5 years of existence BLEW away everything I had done previously or since. Those memories are mine forever and I relive them constantly.

When you get old like I am now, the money and experiences are kind of pointless. You have an old decrepit body. The blinders are off, you see the deep abyss of death ahead. You realize that the trips and fancy meals are nothing other than banal trivialities to distract you from your aging body and oncoming demise. They have no capacity to thrill and entertain an old person like they can a young and vigorous person.

You have once chance to really enjoy life and that is between the ages of 17-25. If you waste that time in activities other than self-pleasure, you will never have a body that will enjoy the pleasures that much again. You will have wasted your life.

My life basically ended when I graduated from college. Since that time, I have accrued more than a 1.5 million in assets. There is security in that money but no pleasure. The only foreseeable pleasure in it revolves around the idea of giving it all to my kids before I die.

Bottom line, don't bother wasting your money on yourself now. It will not be very gratifying, you are too old. Wait and give it to your kids, you will get more pleasure from that.