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I think I'm catching a South fever - NE & West Coast are just not worth it?

Zeze

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I think I'm catching a 'South' fever. Let me know your thoughts all.

I grew up in Northeast. Based on what I'm hearing from many of my contacts, I'm starting to get the feel that living in the south is simply superior as you settle with kids:

1. The biggest factor is the cost of living. We (Boston/NY) prob have to get a pay cut of 15-30%. But even then, the cost of living is disgustingly cheaper. You can live in 0-20 year old homes that are basically mansions at $500K. My friend in ATL has a home with 5 bed, 4 bath, fackton of closets and basement. Boston/NY are 'old historic' cities where homes are commonly 80-90 years old, with rotting frames, and old layout. Even city center parking in ATL was like $3. Boston is like $30, NYC is like $34-40 for one example. Daycare, I pay $2K per child. He pays like $1200 for Bright Horizon franchise. Same BH daycare in Jersey City here is $2300/mo.

2. My second friend is finally doing well for himself. He opened an upscale sushi joint in a ritzy white town in NJ. That's going so well, he'll open a freakin' 250-person seater mega one in Dallas, TX. He and all his partners are moving this summer. Dallas is similar to ATL that everything is facking cheap, including huge new homes for less.

3. As we get older, we no longer care about bleeding edge 'scenes' in the cities. The appeals of Boston and NYC start to diminish tons. You're busy with kids. Any big cities in south will have everything you need - trendy bars, museums, city events, festivities, etc. With this fact, it simply doesn't make sense much to live in NE or West Coast while paying high premium for virtually zero reason. Also these big cities have huge diversity - Dallas, Houston, Austin, ATL, all have fackton of Asians & Indians too for diversity.

4. No blizzard in winter. You get big magazine-style lawn and outdoor patio with kitchen island for cheap and enjoy sippin alcohol year-round.

5. Thank god I didn't settle in CA, holy fack. My third friend lives in Bay Area (San Diego) suburbs- a completely unremarkable suburb with a single-floor 2000 SF with 3 bed and no basement. $1.2 million dollars. What the fack.

Q1: Anyone else familiar with friends/relatives living in south? What do you guys think? I know one of the biggest reason you stay where you are is because of family/friends.

Q2: Am I way off in my assessment? Any other serious disadvantages of living in the south in the big city?
 
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Thank god I didn't settle in CA, holy fack. My third friend lives in Bay Area (San Diego) suburbs- a completely unremarkable suburb with a single-floor 2000 SF with 3 bed and no basement. $1.2 million dollars. What the fack.

365 usable days in the year, no snow, minimal rain, great temperature band - NO SWAMP ASS. Beautiful city, lots of stuff to do.

That's why it's $1.2 million dollars.
 
All the things you have less time to do since you have kids, why wouldn't you want them to have the same things to see once they start growing up and are about to become teens?

My folks took us to museums, parks, music events, gatherings, etc... and then once I hit 18 I started going on my own and had a blast. I've been thinking of moving due to the weather, this winter has been rough, but there is really nothing quite like the warm weather months in the NYC area so I'll reassess once we get back to fall and see if it all still makes it worthwhile.

If I'd consider moving out of the area it would be to somewhere like Colorado, where you are close to so so many of the amazing natural monuments and parks that this country has to offer within a days drive.
 
also, west coast has legal weed that smashes anything east of Colorado. get caught with 7 grams of MJ in texas and you ded.
 
also, west coast has legal weed that smashes anything east of Colorado.
I know this is not a serious response, but as much as I enjoy hay hay, that plays a zero role in advantages + pales in comparison of the things I listed out.
 
I know this is not a serious response, but as much as I enjoy hay hay, that plays a zero role in advantages + pales in comparison of the things I listed out.

Eh you're used to that New Jersey shit weed anyway. It'll be more of the same for you 😉
 
I will have to warn you about moving to North Texas. Everyone and there dogs are moving here and property values are rising fast. My 2,700 sqft 4 bedroom 3 bath home with a 3 car garage has gone from $169,000 4 years ago to almost $290,000. You’ll have to watch what areas you move to. Depending on the area, property taxes can pack quite a punch. 8.5% sales tax but no state income taxes, EXCEPT a franchise tax of 0.575% for businesses with $10 million or less in annual revenue . Traffic is getting worse as well. If you don’t like hot humid weather, then you definitely won’t like the Summers here, although we do have pretty good weather 8 months of the year.
 
I consider Dallas more Midwestern than Southern, culturally.

Mild Winters.

Summer is pretty brutal. The heat of the Desert Southwest combined with the humidity of the Bayou Southeast.

Great for Airport access. Except there will be frequent flight delays during summer lightening storms/tornadoes.

Freeway interchanges that protrude into the lower stratosphere. Really cool.

Possible Mineral Rights included in your deed.

Texas BBQ is my personal favorite, excellent hole-in-the-wall joints galore, but they almost never have greens. Again, not Southern.

Every retail chain on Planet Earth, plus a couple others.

Not much decent Mexican food; it's all Tex-Mex..

Oh, and suburban Spraaaaaaaaaaawl the likes of which New Jersey has not seen.
 
Oh, and suburban Spraaaaaaaaaaawl the likes of which New Jersey has not seen.
Wanna tell me some town names? I wanna look at pics at google maps.

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HOLY COW, it's plainly obvious on google maps satellite view. SE of Dallas is just homes after homes after homes. How do grocery and supply stores support this?
 
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Eh you're used to that New Jersey shit weed anyway. It'll be more of the same for you 😉
Mine are all from CA - a proper company-made quality vapes. NJ (like, almost all) don't manufacture vape to be shit.
 
I think I'm catching a 'South' fever. Let me know your thoughts all.

I grew up in Northeast. Based on what I'm hearing from many of my contacts, I'm starting to get the feel that living in the south is simply superior as you settle with kids:

1. The biggest factor is the cost of living. We (Boston/NY) prob have to get a pay cut of 15-30%. But even then, the cost of living is disgustingly cheaper. You can live in 0-20 year old homes that are basically mansions at $500K. My friend in ATL has a home with 5 bed, 4 bath, fackton of closets and basement. Boston/NY are 'old historic' cities where homes are commonly 80-90 years old, with rotting frames, and old layout. Even city center parking in ATL was like $3. Boston is like $30, NYC is like $34-40 for one example. Daycare, I pay $2K per child. He pays like $1200 for Bright Horizon franchise. Same BH daycare in Jersey City here is $2300/mo.

2. My second friend is finally doing well for himself. He opened an upscale sushi joint in a ritzy white town in NJ. That's going so well, he'll open a freakin' 250-person seater mega one in Dallas, TX. He and all his partners are moving this summer. Dallas is similar to ATL that everything is facking cheap, including huge new homes for less.

3. As we get older, we no longer care about bleeding edge 'scenes' in the cities. The appeals of Boston and NYC start to diminish tons. You're busy with kids. Any big cities in south will have everything you need - trendy bars, museums, city events, festivities, etc. With this fact, it simply doesn't make sense much to live in NE or West Coast while paying high premium for virtually zero reason. Also these big cities have huge diversity - Dallas, Houston, Austin, ATL, all have fackton of Asians & Indians too for diversity.

4. No blizzard in winter. You get big magazine-style lawn and outdoor patio with kitchen island for cheap and enjoy sippin alcohol year-round.

5. Thank god I didn't settle in CA, holy fack. My third friend lives in Bay Area (San Diego) suburbs- a completely unremarkable suburb with a single-floor 2000 SF with 3 bed and no basement. $1.2 million dollars. What the fack.

Q1: Anyone else familiar with friends/relatives living in south? What do you guys think? I know one of the biggest reason you stay where you are is because of family/friends.

Q2: Am I way off in my assessment? Any other serious disadvantages of living in the south in the big city?
I can give some insight as I grew up in TX for 23 years, after a brief stint in Germany, I lived in SC for 4, GA for 3. I've now been in upstate NY for 2. I wouldn't trade it for a million bucks. You cannot put a price on the following things:
1) Not having a 110 degree, 95%+ humidity. Have you ever seen weather stripping melt? I have.
2) Not sweating before you reach the mailbox
3) Actually able to enjoy the outdoors for ~7 months out of the year, ~10 if you can handle 30 degree temps and minimal snow
4) Drivers, I dunno what's going on with SC/GA, but the drivers are raging lunatics. I know everyone says that about $city, but I came feet away from an accident ~4 days a week for like 5 years straight. It was a horror show, and seriously screwed with my tension levels.
5) Nature. Jesus, it's gorgeous in upstate NY. You actually have like, a variation in tree types, not just acres and acres of pines. Almost no mosquitoes, no surprise alligators (had those), few surprise poisonous snakes, no tree-spanning spiders (those are fun!).... tons of nature walks, tons of parks, tons of waterfalls, rivers, lakes, etc.

Yeah, snow sucks, but I can work remotely so that tempers my 'give-a-shit-o-meter' regarding snow. Cold is workable, just buy a nice wool coat and some long underwear and suddenly it doesn't matter. F 100% humidity, #neveragain.
 
Wanna tell me some town names? I wanna look at pics at google maps.

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HOLY COW, it's plainly obvious on google maps satellite view. SE of Dallas is just homes after homes after homes. How do grocery and supply stores support this?


I'm most familiar with the triangle formed by I 30, 35E and 35W.

Draw an east/west line between Dallas and Ft Worth as the base and then use Denton as the top of the triangle.
 
I can give some insight as I grew up in TX for 23 years, after a brief stint in Germany, I lived in SC for 4, GA for 3. I've now been in upstate NY for 2. I wouldn't trade it for a million bucks. You cannot put a price on the following things:
1) Not having a 110 degree, 95%+ humidity. Have you ever seen weather stripping melt? I have.
2) Not sweating before you reach the mailbox
3) Actually able to enjoy the outdoors for ~7 months out of the year, ~10 if you can handle 30 degree temps and minimal snow
4) Drivers, I dunno what's going on with SC/GA, but the drivers are raging lunatics. I know everyone says that about $city, but I came feet away from an accident ~4 days a week for like 5 years straight. It was a horror show, and seriously screwed with my tension levels.
5) Nature. Jesus, it's gorgeous in upstate NY. You actually have like, a variation in tree types, not just acres and acres of pines. Almost no mosquitoes, no surprise alligators (had those), few surprise poisonous snakes, no tree-spanning spiders (those are fun!).... tons of nature walks, tons of parks, tons of waterfalls, rivers, lakes, etc.

Yeah, snow sucks, but I can work remotely so that tempers my 'give-a-shit-o-meter' regarding snow. Cold is workable, just buy a nice wool coat and some long underwear and suddenly it doesn't matter. F 100% humidity, #neveragain.
I actually looked up Dallas TX - youtube videos and etc.

Holy cow, Dallas is actually soullessly boring. It's no joke - it's an artificial city full of suburb homes after homes. The downtown is a joke. What do they do for fun? No lake, no mountains, no open prairie.
 
I actually looked up Dallas TX - youtube videos and etc.

Holy cow, Dallas is actually soullessly boring. It's no joke - it's an artificial city full of suburb homes after homes. The downtown is a joke. What do they do for fun? No lake, no mountains, no open prairie.
It used to be *amazing*. Deep Ellum was like, the US's Paris. It was an absolute cultural hub for some 20 years, then fell in the shitter when some Gov took over (this was before my politicking time, so I don't remember the name).

Yeah last time I was there (~5y ago) it was pretty stale. Like a dystopian version of a large city. Think Mirror's Edge but without all the parkour, and extra sadness.

The south, btw, is basically iconic for stale, souless, cookie cutter commuter neighborhoods. Identical houses all copypasta'd across little quarter acre plots for miles. That's like 90% of residential neighborhoods and it is so unbearably stale. No wonder people get drunk and shoot at minorities down there.
 
Like anywhere else, the South is hit or miss. Depending on what you do, you may be able to find work in one of the smaller coastal cities. I'd love to move back down, but I don't think it will ever happen.

The heat does absolutely suck and there's the risk of hurricanes if you're really close to the water, but since it's my home, I really enjoy the culture of the Gulf Coast. Any decently sized area will have quality schools available. It would help if you enjoy things like boating and fishing.
 
Yeah last time I was there (~5y ago) it was pretty stale. Like a dystopian version of a large city. Think Mirror's Edge but without all the parkour, and extra sadness.

The south, btw, is basically iconic for stale, souless, cookie cutter commuter neighborhoods. Identical houses all copypasta'd across little quarter acre plots for miles. That's like 90% of residential neighborhoods and it is so unbearably stale. No wonder people get drunk and shoot at minorities down there.

I'm glad I'm learning this. ATL seems far more attractive - same low housing cost, far bigger city and a proper downtown.

I never realized this kind of thing existed in US - just miles and miles of copy/paste neighborhoods. I thought I always liked suburbs because my suburbs were always close to Boston, mountains, oceans, amazing foliage, etc. Same for NYC/NJ.

Dallas is a hell trap.
 
I'm glad I'm learning this. ATL seems far more attractive - same low housing cost, far bigger city and a proper downtown.

I never realized this kind of thing existed in US - just miles and miles of copy/paste neighborhoods. I thought I always liked suburbs because my suburbs were always close to Boston, mountains, oceans, amazing foliage, etc. Same for NYC/NJ.

Dallas is a hell trap.
Yeah, I wouldn't move to Dallas or Houston. Atlanta seems okay, though I haven't spent a lot of time there. I have friends and family in the area and they enjoy living in the suburbs. Atlanta seems to be having a population boom lately though. I think a lot of people are moving for the same reasons you are considering.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't move to Dallas or Houston. Atlanta seems okay, though I haven't spent a lot of time there. I have friends and family in the area and they enjoy living in the suburbs. Atlanta seems to be having a population boom lately though. I think a lot of people are moving for the same reasons you are considering.
Have you actually lived in Houston? I drove by. It was actually massive and had a proper downtown. Dallas is like... lol.
 
I'm glad I'm learning this. ATL seems far more attractive - same low housing cost, far bigger city and a proper downtown.

I never realized this kind of thing existed in US - just miles and miles of copy/paste neighborhoods. I thought I always liked suburbs because my suburbs were always close to Boston, mountains, oceans, amazing foliage, etc. Same for NYC/NJ.

Dallas is a hell trap.


I wouldn't recommend it; although from what I hear from friends who've lived in ATL...not really much better.

Houston? Oh, dear no...
 
also, west coast has legal weed that smashes anything east of Colorado. get caught with 7 grams of MJ in texas and you ded.

still, balderdash. NC has been cultivating weed in their mountains since before CA was even a state! Those hillbillies know their brandy and their weed.
 
Have you actually lived in Houston? I drove by. It was actually massive and had a proper downtown. Dallas is like... lol.
I haven't lived there, but it's not really my kind of place. I'd probably choose the Dallas area over Houston, but only because I've got family somewhat in the area. If I was going to live in that kind of brutal heat with the chance for extreme flooding, I'd choose New Orleans, assuming I had the option.
 
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