i think i broke my parents' computer!!!

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i'm not really sure what happened. i took my parents' computer apart to get the CPU to flash the bios on my motherboard so i could use the x3350...and everything seemed to be fine until i put the CPU back in and put everything back together. it booted up fine and opened windows and looked just like it did before everything was taken apart. then i selected shut down computer. and it actually restarted for some reason...then i just pressed the power button and it shut off...then i put the computer back on the desk where it originally was and plugged it in to my parents' monitor and turned it on...this time it shows the "VAIO" screen and then gives me this error message:

"Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot Device and press a key"

any idea what this means? hopefully not what i think it means...or i may have to punch myself in the face repeatedly.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Reset the CMOS. "I told you not to touch it!" Please allow your parents to do any punching, they'll enjoy it ever so much more.:)
 
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i just read that you have to take out the battery and then wait a few minutes...then put it back in. is that correct?
what happens when i do reset it? anything undesirable?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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There should be a jumper that resets the BIOS but, taking the battery out should work just fine. Resetting the BIOS just loads the default configuration for that MB. As long as your parents computer was not OC'd there should be no changes. If it was, you may get a warning that OC has failed but it should still boot.
 
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i called my dad and told him to take out the battery. he did and waited about 5 minutes and then put it back in. it gave him the option of loading the default or some other thing and i told him to press F1 which loaded the defaults. it came back with the same error...

i googled the error message and i guess i'll have to check a few things. some people say it is something to do with the boot order which seems unlikely since i was able to startup a few times before the error.
i guess i need to check all the bios settings then instead of doing the defaults...might as well try.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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So, now you have to troubleshoot. It could be anything from dirty case, bad PSU, bad ram, bad Hdd and/or, bad MB. Or, you could indeed have trashed the CPU. Bad son, bad son, bad son!

If you are able to access the BIOS Then, it may just be the MBR was fubared in some way.
 
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yeah, i was thinking like right away that it was the hard drive...if i lose it holy crap i will be not very happy. i had things that i'd rather not have to lose. hopefully it isn't the cpu but if it is, i guess that wouldn't be such a bad thing cause it's only a pentium 4 and upgrading to dual core probably wouldn't be that expensive.
i'm pretty sure i applied the thermal grease correctly.
i have no idea how the ram could've been fried. of course, i don't really know how anything could've been messed up since it was working for a little bit.
and if it's the motherboard, that might be a problem...it's a vaio and the motherboard looks like it was made just for that case...just like sony to do something like that...:evil:
but yeah, no idea here. the last thing i did was try to shut the computer down but like i said, it restarted instead so i just pressed the power button and it powered down. next thing i know...error!!!!
i possibly (but i don't think so) reconnected things incorrectly cause i didn't really write down what was connected to what. i know most of the stuff is definitely right...
i guess i'll just check tomorrow...i'm just tryin to get all the info i can right now cause i'm house/dog-sitting and have no way to get online back home.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Just guessing here what might have happened.

Perhaps you didn't get the CPU HSF reinstalled and seated properly. Did you clean the surfaces and reapply thermal grease?

It's possible after reassembly you ran it long enough without proper contact between CPU and HSF to overheat and cause it to become unstable and lockup upon shutdown, corrupting the boot sector of the harddrive.

I would

1. uninstall HSF, clean, reapply thermal grease, reinstall
2. put the windows disc in and try a repair install
3. if that doesn't work(probably won't), format the harddrive, do a fresh install of windows, and take you whippin:(
 

PolymerTim

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Could you describe everything you had to unplug and then reconnect during your work? It might help us identify possible problems.

Just taking a shot on the dark here, but you didn't happen to mess with te hard drive cable at all did you?

I've got a feeling its not an overheating issue. I would think that if the HSF was seated poorly enough to cause it to shutdown with nothing but Windows for a couple of minutes that it would also shut down just sitting in BIOS for a few minutes.
 

Paperdoc

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I'm with PolymerTim on this. Your machine will start up, but the error message says it cannot find the proper boot device, which should be the hard drive. The odd part is, your story says that it did boot successfully from that device the first time you started it up (after CPU re-install). So it seems unlikely (but still possible?) that you reconnected the HDD's cable the wrong way.

HOWEVER, the connection does look like the culprit. Maybe it was reconnected loosely and has shifted so it is no longer making a good connection on one or more pins. Try disconnecting, then reconnecting the cable to the HDD, both at the motherboard and the HDD ends. Look carefully at the cable. If it's a flat ribbon cable, one edge will have a red stripe along the wire. That is the #1 Pin edge. (I don't know how round cables are marked, but I am sure there is a clear identifier somewhere.) At BOTH ends of the cable, the connector must be inserted so that the red edge goes to the #1 pin on the connector. Now, many connectors have one pin's hole blocked off so you cannot do them the wrong way, but some do not and mistakes can be made. On the motherboard, look for a marking next to the connector body like "1". On the HDD case, there should be a marking, often stamped into the case metal or printed on the labels, showing which end has #1.

Even if you did not re-connect wrongly, the action of disconnecting and re-inserting the cables ends may clean off any dirt and give you a good connection. Just be sure to align things and do it carefully. You never should need to force a plug into a connector.

If that does not solve the problem, you may need to examine the BIOS Setup info to be sure it knows there is a HDD attached, and that it is set to boot from that device. Don't know about your machine, but many allow you to get to BIOS Setup by holding down the "Del" key when it first is turned on. Most will actually show you on the screen a message about this, often at the bottom, early in the boot sequence. Watch for it, in case "Del" is the wrong guess and you need to use another key.

Another less likely thing to check is the proper identification of the HDD. Most BIOS's are set to detect the HDD type automatically during boot-up, and they depend on modern HDD's to have the smarts to tell them that info. Two things can foul up that system. If your BIOS is set NOT to auto-detect, but to use preset values, it is possible the values are wrong and the system can "talk to" the HDD, but it make no sense. Setting it to auto-detect should fix this. HOWEVER, if your parent's machine was set up oddly with a HDD that actually needs specific HDD parameters entered manually to avoid whatever auto-detect might find, then you would need those parameters to enter. From your story, though, this seems very unlikely.
 
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i'm thinking that was the problem since i am now typing this on the computer...hehe. the SATA cord was plugged into the SATA #2 spot on the motherboard so i don't know if that had anything to do with it. probably not since it booted before. i guess it might've been the connection. my dad got it started earlier today but then when i got home there was a blue screen with some words on it then it shut off. so hopefully it doesn't happen again. i don't know what normal temps for my CPU are. i was just in the BIOS setup stuff and it was around 50C.
 

Cuular

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If that 50C was at idle, that's pretty high. Normal idle should be around 35-39, and load should be around 50C at the highest. Looks like you may need to take the HSF off, clean both it and the CPU off, re-apply thermal paste, and re-attach the HSF.