I think he served his time......

[Freshgeardude]

Umm. ok captain jack ass...

I realize what he was talking about... This thread is about the fellow going back to jail which is well deserved... not that he should have been put to death in the 50s...

yea but that response was directly speaking about his original crime.

 

[Moonbeam]

Happiness at the ill of others is not being emotionally dead if it is justice, else one would be required to oppose all punishment and incarceration to be emotionally alive. That would lead to ill coming to others as victims and their loved ones would see neither justice nor security and criminals would not be constrained from any actions they might wish to try. Thus everyone would automatically be emotionally dead either way, whether from being happy that criminals are locked up and punished, or from allowing those criminals to prey on others. Only by pretending that you are locking up and/or punishing criminals against your will could one even pretend to be emotionally alive. Of course, the insane and the drugged could be truly emotionally alive, since -

Wait, I think I see where you're going with this now . . .

Jaskalas, parole is part of one's sentence. Behave and you are allowed to serve less than the allotted time. Misbehave and you go back in to finish your sentence.

There it is. You think as you do because in the tiny world of possibilities you live in you have arrived at the optimum possible response. The problem, of course, is that your limited reality isn't the real reality so your response is inaccurate.

The simple fact is that we have every right to isolate those who act out of self hate to harm others. What we do not need to do is hate them or hope they suffer for what suffering they cause because their whole purpose was to get back for suffering put on them. Only morons punish people who are vicious because they have been punished. Only morons can hate them. Our job is to put them were they can do no further harm and see if we can cure them of the disease that we also have. But you are too big of a coward to see this because you would never ever dare to forgive yourself. You are absolutely sure you are a piece of shit and that feeling is going to stay buried.

 

[Daedalus685]

yea but that response was directly speaking about his original crime.

Yes it was, I commented on how I don't agree with the death penalty then put my response to the thread a few extra spaces below that... I'll put a line next time...

 

[Kirby]

A judge and jury found otherwise. He served his allotted time for murder.

We're talking about a parole jumper.

I know, and he should go back to jail just like any one else that violated their parole.

But getting out in less than 20 years for blowing someone away is fucked up, separate issue aside.

 

[Throckmorton]

Our country would be a better place if we dealt with murderers my way. This scumbag served a mere 15 years for what he did. He should have been executed.

Yes, servicemen who crack because of mental issues and kill should be executed... Wait what??

If it wasn't the medieval 1950s, when lobotomies and electroshock were considered legitimate medical treatment, he'd have ended up in a mental hospital, not in prison and not in the electric chair.

In any case, I don't understand the grandson's motivation for getting him thrown in prison for his parole violation. What could he possibly have to gain?

 

[BoberFett]

This sort of case poses an interesting set of questions on crime and punishment.

What is the purpose of punishment for crimes? Is it simply vengeance? Do we put people in jail because we want to hurt them, but are not sadistic enough to actually torture them or kill them? Or do we put people in prison to protect society? If we put people in prison to protect society then would this man, by virtue of being an upstanding citizen and family man for 40 years, have proven that he not a threat to society and therefore has in fact done his time?

 

[werepossum]

There it is. You think as you do because in the tiny world of possibilities you live in you have arrived at the optimum possible response. The problem, of course, is that your limited reality isn't the real reality so your response is inaccurate.

The simple fact is that we have every right to isolate those who act out of self hate to harm others. What we do not need to do is hate them or hope they suffer for what suffering they cause because their whole purpose was to get back for suffering put on them. Only morons punish people who are vicious because they have been punished. Only morons can hate them. Our job is to put them were they can do no further harm and see if we can cure them of the disease that we also have. But you are too big of a coward to see this because you would never ever dare to forgive yourself. You are absolutely sure you are a piece of shit and that feeling is going to stay buried.

Obviously I haven't had the same exposure to reality-expanding substances as you enjoy.

No self hate in my tiny world.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Rubbish, you have a soul, atheist or not, and you can't lose it. But you can hate the mercy that is natural for the soul and that is what you are doing. You are hard on others only because you are hare on yourself and you are hard on yourself because others who were hard on themselves taught you to be like them. Unlike them, I do not want you to suffer. Perhaps you are an atheist only because you do not like the idea that you have been forgiven and are reluctant to forgive yourself.

Keep your Jesus off my penis, and out of this dudes thread...

For the capital punishment argument and $$$ argument: capital punishment is much much much more expensive than keeping someone locked up for 30 years. So if you want to argue about saving the $$ you may as well start letting people go, as that is the only way you're going to save without a complete reformation, which is not going to happen any time soon

 

[WHAMPOM]

Christ does not condemn, "Go, and sin no more" is all the judgement He gives.

 

[ichy]

A judge and jury found otherwise. He served his allotted time for murder.

Actually the judge & jury sentenced him to die by hanging. His death sentence was overturned on a technicality.

 

[CitizenKain]

i support the death penalty, but not china.

why should we the tax payers, pay to keep a man in a place to rot for the rest of his life?

wasnt it 700 a month it costed tax payers? if a man was 18 when he commited the crime and lived until 70, thats 52 years x 12 months x 700 a month = $436,800 on the tax payers.
We will save money and also can be used as a deterrent for others thinking to kill.
Besides, have you never heard of capital punishment for capital crime?
so tell me... why does the death penalty seem so bad?

I don't judge people on their monetary value to humanity.

Here is the best argument against the death penalty: We can be wrong. None of this saving money bullshit, or deterring crimes fallacy count against that. Innocent people have gone to to death row, some have been released, others murdered by our government.
Thanks to private prisons, maybe we can eventually get corporations to murder prisoners on our behalf, boy won't that be a treat.

 

[jpeyton]

You're right it shouldn't be an option to kill them. It should be a requirement.
If someone murders a person, the murderer once found guilty or upon pleaing guilty should be taken out back and taken care of.

Sharia Law. I like it.

 

[Jaskalas]

This sort of case poses an interesting set of questions on crime and punishment.

What is the purpose of punishment for crimes? Is it simply vengeance? Do we put people in jail because we want to hurt them, but are not sadistic enough to actually torture them or kill them? Or do we put people in prison to protect society? If we put people in prison to protect society then would this man, by virtue of being an upstanding citizen and family man for 40 years, have proven that he not a threat to society and therefore has in fact done his time?

This is the aspect of it I wish we would focus on.

 

[Zebo]

This sort of case poses an interesting set of questions on crime and punishment.

What is the purpose of punishment for crimes? Is it simply vengeance? Do we put people in jail because we want to hurt them, but are not sadistic enough to actually torture them or kill them? Or do we put people in prison to protect society? If we put people in prison to protect society then would this man, by virtue of being an upstanding citizen and family man for 40 years, have proven that he not a threat to society and therefore has in fact done his time?

Good questions. I don't really believe in prisons at all because you victimize society twice. Once for the crime and second to house them. I think I just answered the question. PIC.

 

[NoWhereM]

From the article:

On his birthday he used to get two cards from his brother: one for Houston and one for Valentine.

"I thought it was cute. I had no fear," Dryman said.

Parole is generally granted to those who show remorse for their crimes. If the guy thinks it was "cute" for his brother to send him a seperate birthday card under the alias he was using when he shot a man in the back and killed him for no reason than he's exactly where he belongs.

 

[Moonbeam]

This sort of case poses an interesting set of questions on crime and punishment.

What is the purpose of punishment for crimes? Is it simply vengeance? Do we put people in jail because we want to hurt them, but are not sadistic enough to actually torture them or kill them? Or do we put people in prison to protect society? If we put people in prison to protect society then would this man, by virtue of being an upstanding citizen and family man for 40 years, have proven that he not a threat to society and therefore has in fact done his time?

Be very careful. You start asking intelligent and profound questions and you're liable to fall down the rabbit hole.

 

[Moonbeam]

Keep your Jesus off my penis, and out of this dudes thread...

Oh my dear sad poor child who slimes his deepest essence by calling himself by the truly idiot name of dead lesbian monster in a futilely puerile attempt to shock some imagined adult world you hope to offend for all the offense that was done to you as an innocent and beautiful child, know that I, the Great Wizard Moonbeam, have seen behind your curtain and kiss now that poor mutilated and mangled baby. Your soul is there under all that pain and torture, untouched. You have been forgiven because you were never guilty. There is only love.

 

[Moonbeam]

Obviously I haven't had the same exposure to reality-expanding substances as you enjoy.

No self hate in my tiny world.

A thread that may expand your tiny world:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2048208&highlight=

 

[ichy]

Sharia Law. I like it.

A mandatory death sentence for murder was part of English law until the 1950s.

 

[Thump553]

A mandatory death sentence for murder was part of English law until the 1950s.

England also had the death penalty for such minor crimes as pickpocketing until 1808. They used to be pretty damn bloodthirsty.

 

[ichy]

England also had the death penalty for such minor crimes as pickpocketing until 1808. They used to be pretty damn bloodthirsty.

There's a big difference between 1800 and 1950. Compare the UK of 1950 to today and it was in many ways a better place. Also, while the death penalty was on the books for all sorts of minor stuff back in the 18th century the vast majority of such sentences were not carried out.

 

[ichy]

Rubbish, you have a soul, atheist or not, and you can't lose it. But you can hate the mercy that is natural for the soul and that is what you are doing. You are hard on others only because you are hare on yourself and you are hard on yourself because others who were hard on themselves taught you to be like them. Unlike them, I do not want you to suffer. Perhaps you are an atheist only because you do not like the idea that you have been forgiven and are reluctant to forgive yourself.

What a load of irrational gibberish. Go back to clown college.

 

[SP33Demon]

He never did hard time. He was a free man. Time to pay the piper.

 

[JTsyo]

Many WANT to be back behind bars due to being behind bars for the greater part of their life. They know no other life. The easiest, least violent way to get back in is to skip. Not saying this is the case with this man, just something that happens a lot.

doubt it's the case with him since is got out int he 60s and wasn't caught until now.

 

[nobodyknows]

It would be cheaper just to let him go instead of having to deal with the medical costs of incarcerating him.

Maybe that's why he "skipped" his parole?