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I think Gadhafi underestimated the international military response

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Patranus said:
Its always the US that does the heavy lifting.

Everyone hates the US until they inevitably need us to do their work.
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Cry me a river. In addition to the substantial efforts from the UK & France:

Spain: 4 fighters, 1 tanker aircraft, surveillance aircraft & F100 Frigate
Canada: 6 fighters & 1 Naval vessel
Norway & Denmark: 10 fighters
Belgium: Fighters offered
Italy: Bases opened for sorties
Greece: Bases opened for sorties
 
AznAnarchy99 said:
Why would he be crazy. I sure as hell wouldnt want to give up an army of women bodyguards.

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Sexyyy
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A few more like that and a nice comfy exile would look pretty attractive to any man.
 
wuliheron said:
What a joke. All that xenophobic rhetoric has ruined your mind.

It was Muslims who just asked Christians to bomb other Muslims.

Hopefully they'll learn to ask for our help a little sooner, but the word is out and enemies of the US like Gaddafi are now fair game. If they can't even keep their own people happy then all the people need to do is demonstrate how serious they are and ask for our help. We don't even care whether they like us or not. From what we can see most Muslims don't even like each other.

As for oil prices going up, we shall see.
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All this demonstrates as the US support is political/economic driven and that we will not stand beside those that we help to get there.

Libya was on the shit list until Saddam fell. Then they realized that they could be next if they did not do an about face.

So for 6-7 years, they have been playing nice in the world community and This is what the get.

None of the other emirates are being held to task for their handling of protests.

Libya is because it turned into a civil war rather than protests.
 
EagleKeeper said:
All this demonstrates as the US support is political/economic driven and that we will not stand beside those that we help to get there.
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Sorry, but dinner and show doesn't buy a lifetime commitment.

EagleKeeper said:
Libya was on the shit list until Saddam fell. Then they realized that they could be next if they did not do an about face.

So for 6-7 years, they have been playing nice in the world community and This is what the get.

None of the other emirates are being held to task for their handling of protests.

Libya is because it turned into a civil war rather than protests.
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Did you think this was popularity contest? Nice guys finish last in this game and Libya is one more stepping stone to Iran. Gaddafi knew that and didn't start playing nice thinking it would save his butt. He was doing whatever it took to buy time and now his time is up.
 
DivideBYZero said:
Cry me a river. In addition to the substantial efforts from the UK & France:

Spain: 4 fighters, 1 tanker aircraft, surveillance aircraft & F100 Frigate
Canada: 6 fighters & 1 Naval vessel
Norway & Denmark: 10 fighters
Belgium: Fighters offered
Italy: Bases opened for sorties
Greece: Bases opened for sorties
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LMAO!!!! One carrier battle group is more fire power than what you have listed.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
LMAO!!!! One carrier battle group is more fire power than what you have listed.
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*Sigh* That list was in addition to the major effort from the UK & France. The assertion was that the US was doing this on their own. Far fucking from it.

Please, though, continue to puff out your own chest and talk shit, even though you personally have done nothing. 😀
 
DivideBYZero said:
*Sigh* That list was in addition to the major effort from the UK & France. The assertion was that the US was doing this on their own. Far fucking from it.

Please, though, continue to puff out your own chest and talk shit, even though you personally have done nothing. 😀
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The vast majority of weaponry used so far has come from US ships and bombers.

I served in the US Navy for 12 years, I've been in my fair share of conflicts.
 
I think half the people in here have gone mad. There is no way in hell ground forces are gonna win when you got air control period.

Next, Obama is doing a WAY better job then crappy ass bush did. At least we got a large number of countries fighting with us this time. Lot's of fighters at least we are not going it alone and footing 100% of the bill. I think it's working smoothly.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
If this is the case how can the rebel forces win? They have far less fire power than the Libyan army.
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Only by defections from the Libyan military - which will only happen if the Libyan military thinks it's going to lose.

Personally I don't see the rebels winning, but perception is king. If Gadhafi believes that there are going to be serious defections, he may well decide to flee with a portion of his vast wealth (and perhaps a few of the hotter body guardesses) to safer climes.
 
wuliheron said:
Revolution is breaking out throughout the Muslim world and Gaddafi has just become the wrong guy for the job. He's got all this oil money, but we can't trust him enough to sell him weapons. Now he's losing control and can't even be trusted to keep the oil flowing.

We could stay out of the fight, but it wouldn't help our image in the Muslim world which we've been working very hard on improving. At the very least we need to keep him from slaughtering civilians indiscriminately and provide weapons to the opposition and hope they can replace him with someone more trustworthy. If not, then replacing him could get ugly.
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The bolded is why we (as in the "west") are FUBARing him not civilian casualties. We very rarely give a shit when someone kills their own people. Plenty of places in Africa where much worse is happening and we aren't doing a thing about it. As much as it sucks it is generally true that nations will not commit these kinds of resources if it isn't in their (or one of their good buddies) national interests to do so.

If Gadhafi was half smart he would take his money and get the hell out while the getting is good. Otherwise I can almost promise that he will either be killed in a bombing or end up swinging from a rope.
 
Darwin333 said:
The bolded is why we (as in the "west") are FUBARing him not civilian casualties. We very rarely give a shit when someone kills their own people. Plenty of places in Africa where much worse is happening and we aren't doing a thing about it. As much as it sucks it is generally true that nations will not commit these kinds of resources if it isn't in their (or one of their good buddies) national interests to do so.

If Gadhafi was half smart he would take his money and get the hell out while the getting is good. Otherwise I can almost promise that he will either be killed in a bombing or end up swinging from a rope.
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The US has no interest in going into Libya and Gaddafi knows that and has had decades to dig in tighter then a tic. We eventually got Saddam, but that required invading the entire country. The CIA only wishes they had some magic weapon that could take out these billionaire dictators with the push of a button.

Besides, perpetual civil war in Libya can be made to work just fine for the US. As long as the oil starts flowing again it keeps everyone too busy fighting each other to be threat to the US or the region. With Libya out of the equation and the US supporting the revolutionaries there Iran is more vulnerable then ever.

The real question is how can we arrange things so we make a little more money out of the situation. If we can help the revolutionaries capture some of the oil fields then they'll have the money to buy our weapons and prolonging this civil war could turn into a real bonanza for us!
 
Darwin333 said:
The bolded is why we (as in the "west") are FUBARing him not civilian casualties. We very rarely give a shit when someone kills their own people. Plenty of places in Africa where much worse is happening and we aren't doing a thing about it. As much as it sucks it is generally true that nations will not commit these kinds of resources if it isn't in their (or one of their good buddies) national interests to do so.

If Gadhafi was half smart he would take his money and get the hell out while the getting is good. Otherwise I can almost promise that he will either be killed in a bombing or end up swinging from a rope.
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I was ready to chew your head off but... i didn't find much to disagree with.

Just so you know it, all the efforts in Darfur and Kongo and such places you never heard about is because the US never were involved, the French/British missions were covert, much like they have been to this point...

You don't actually think that they are shooting missiles without targeters, do you?

Have been for a good long time, you don't do swift aerial targeting (of predestined targets) by GPS, if you doubt me, ask EagleKeeper.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
I was ready to chew your head off but... i didn't find much to disagree with.

Just so you know it, all the efforts in Darfur and Kongo and such places you never heard about is because the US never were involved, the French/British missions were covert, much like they have been to this point...

You don't actually think that they are shooting missiles without targeters, do you?

Have been for a good long time, you don't do swift aerial targeting (of predestined targets) by GPS, if you doubt me, ask EagleKeeper.
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This is hilarious. Yeah, sure, the French/British do lots of good things all around the world, but it's all covert. If anything, they're manipulating and securing their own interests through covert action.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
The vast majority of weaponry used so far has come from US ships and bombers.

I served in the US Navy for 12 years, I've been in my fair share of conflicts.
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No they didn't. Most of the bombing has been by the French and British. Most of the Cruise missiles came from US ships, some from a UK sub.

If you want we can compare dick size, too.
 
RabidMongoose said:
This is hilarious. Yeah, sure, the French/British do lots of good things all around the world, but it's all covert. If anything, they're manipulating and securing their own interests through covert action.
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Reading isn't your strong suit, we all get that but seriously... is it that bad?

You forgot how the queen is on Gaddafis and the opponents side and both are always wrong at all times... you're slipping in your trolling old Mongolian Icelander.

You do realise that while there are people on this forum that think it is fun to taunt the retards like you, COW and herr Kunt, you are are the only ones that take your little idiocy seriously?

Now if you jump and land hard, perhaps it would empty your arse and clear your mind?

Seriously, i'm just joking, no one is as daft as you boys portray yourselves as, you have to be trolls.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
Reading isn't your strong suit, we all get that but seriously... is it that bad?

You forgot how the queen is on Gaddafis and the opponents side and both are always wrong at all times... you're slipping in your trolling old Mongolian Icelander.

You do realise that while there are people on this forum that think it is fun to taunt the retards like you, COW and herr Kunt, you are are the only ones that take your little idiocy seriously?

Now if you jump and land hard, perhaps it would empty your arse and clear your mind?

Seriously, i'm just joking, no one is as daft as you boys portray yourselves as, you have to be trolls.
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That's nice, but you're completely delusional. If the British and French are doing any covert missions in other parts of the world or have done covert missions, it has likely been all for their own interests, just like this invasion of Libya is for European interests to secure their oil supply, refugees, and to establish a vassal state.

I mean, seriously, the British doing these great humanitarian covert missions? We're dealing with the most murderous state in the history of the universe and you expect people to believe that now these thugs are doing covert humanitarian missions all over the place? I think not. If anything, they're performing covert murders all around the world to secure more of their national interests.


Cheerio, yip yip, old mate, cheers and bloody hell and god bless the queen hag, am I right old chap?
 
wuliheron said:
The US has no interest in going into Libya and Gaddafi knows that and has had decades to dig in tighter then a tic. We eventually got Saddam, but that required invading the entire country. The CIA only wishes they had some magic weapon that could take out these billionaire dictators with the push of a button.

Besides, perpetual civil war in Libya can be made to work just fine for the US. As long as the oil starts flowing again it keeps everyone too busy fighting each other to be threat to the US or the region. With Libya out of the equation and the US supporting the revolutionaries there Iran is more vulnerable then ever.

The real question is how can we arrange things so we make a little more money out of the situation. If we can help the revolutionaries capture some of the oil fields then they'll have the money to buy our weapons and prolonging this civil war could turn into a real bonanza for us!
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What do the French have to lose or gain? Could we really not back their play?
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
I was ready to chew your head off but... i didn't find much to disagree with.

Just so you know it, all the efforts in Darfur and Kongo and such places you never heard about is because the US never were involved, the French/British missions were covert, much like they have been to this point...

You don't actually think that they are shooting missiles without targeters, do you?

Have been for a good long time, you don't do swift aerial targeting (of predestined targets) by GPS, if you doubt me, ask EagleKeeper.
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Sure they might do covert ops and relatively limited air strikes but it is hard to even put it in the same league as the multination gangbang that is currently happening in Libya right now. That was my point, that I believe you get, what is the difference between them? It damn sure isn't loss of civilian lives.

No disrespect whatsoever to the troops on the ground in Darfur, the Kongo, and other places I haven't heard of. I shall raise a glass of whiskey in their honor shortly.
 
Darwin333 said:
What do the French have to lose or gain? Could we really not back their play?
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The French couldn't find their own ass with both hands raising the question of why you even care what they want. Militarily, economically, and politically they'd have trouble killing unarmed civilians much less fighting a war with Libya. The days of Napoleon are long gone and the last thing anyone wants, including the French, is for this to turn into a nasty bar fight that might spill out on the street. Suffice it to say they have history with each other and you can research the subject if you are interested.

You have to put this into perspective. The US military is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined and we make up roughly half of NATO. Everybody else is small potatoes in comparison and we like it that way. It gives us a controlling say in whatever NATO does and intimidates the hell out of people. The day we start letting bit players like the French lead us into battle is the day we sacrifice some of our commanding position in NATO. And if WWII was any indication, its also the day we end up following fools into battle.
 
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