Originally posted by: Genesys
no, if you'll remember correctly, the Constitution says nothing about the pursuit of happiness, thats the Declaration of Independance. And, also, if you'll remember correctly, its the Constitution thats the supreme law of the land, not the Declaration.
That's a moot point, the preamble states that it is written to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" - if you don't think that alludes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then just what are the blessings of liberty?
and if you wanted to make that argument, killing without fear of consequences or retribution would make me happy. so would stealing copious ammounts of money without fear of consequences or retribution.
Maybe it would, but it wouldn't make happy the other person(s) you killed or stole from... "securing the blessings of liberty" applies to everyone not just you.
not to mention the 'in violation of pursuit of happiness' argument would never hold up legally because its not supported constitutionally. but ya never know, get on of those leftist activist judges to hear your case and you might win.
So if I kill you, and I am quite capable of doing that, only a leftist whacko would say I had violated your pursuit of happiness? Somehow, I don't think that's quite right, man.
and no, more than just me say marriage is a privilege and not a right. but lets hear your side of the story, what makes marriage a right, and not a privilege.
That's already been evidenced very clearly. If you didn't go back through the thread as previously told to, then you are willfully ignoring that evidence, because it is there and you have been informed that it is there. Try pressing control-F and looking for virginia...
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The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.[/quote]
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
marriage is what it is, you can't change the definition of marriage and still say it's marriage.
I already showed that you are the one trying to redefine marriage, by limiting the definition when it is already unlimited:
Random House American Dictionary, 1956
Marriage, #3 =
any intimate union
Or perhaps you're the only one who would intuit that someone answering a poll you devised automatically assumed that "yes" to homosexual marriage meant marrying off prepubescent children
are you saying that all those people didn't actually read the poll? well, maybe you didn't, but i doubt that so many wouldn't have.
the poll uses the word "of age" - in some states "of age" = 13 in others it is 18. There is a big difference between a 18 year old woman, a 13 year old woman and a 6 year old child. Considering that the marrying age for the past 30,000 years has been 10-14 and the fact that females often are women in physical terms by that age, answering yes in your poll does not mean that a person believes "it's ok" (ethical) to have children marrying, but there is a definite disagreement about the "of age" age.
Then try and decide who it is that is really working through you when you post hateful drivel here.
show me 1 hatefully bit of drivel.
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the subject title of this topic is hateful - discrimination is an act of hate... "judge not, lest ye be judged" - jesus christ.... all the drivel and lies and twisted facts you exude in support of your position to give a government stamp-of-approval to discriminate against gays is hateful.
I suggest that the cause of these facts you are pointing out is the continued stigmatization, fear, and misunderstanding of homosexual people.
that was actually my inference from my post, I'm hoping that 'Christians' stop their bigoted views against homosexuals and treat them the same as everyone else that's fallen to a particular sin.
Maybe you should clean your own doorstep before attempting to change other Christians. You were probably one who decried political correctness in the early 90s, but here you are doing the same thing, attempting to create a PC version of discrimination. Being a bigot and using slurs like f@g and *** is not PC but being a bigot and saying homosexuals don't deserve equal rights is (now attempting to become) PC. Maybe you will someday stop being a bigot and then have a right to show the other Christians the error of their bigoted way, but you aren't there yet. Let he who is not a bigot cast the first stone...
Besides that, how do Christians generally treat "everyone else that's fallen to a particular sin"? In my memory, the answer is Christians treat anyone that doesn't share there view like sh1t.
but we still shouldn't put a government stamp-of-approval on an un-ethical action.
There is no such thing as a government stamp-of-approval. Either the government allows liberty or it prohibits. The fact that something is not illegal does not mean the government approves of it. It means the government has no place legislating on it. You can legally eat 10,000 calories a day.... it doesn't mean the government approves or disapproves, although there are government agencies that recommend eating far fewer calories a day than that. It is not the government's place or responsibility to determine for people what "makes em happy" or "what is best for em" - that is the individual's responsibility, and if an individual screws up, that's his problem, not the government's, too.
The government does disapprove of (prohibit) some things (Constitutionally, when they are things that bring harm to others, and unConstitutionally when they are not things that cause harm to others), like killing, stealing, selling sex (which makes no sense, since you can "give away" sex legally, but can not sell it (eventually that and the other unConstitutional usurpations of our liberty will be corrected, too, unless totalitarian fascist Bush can reverse all the progress mankind has made since 1350, which is his obvious desire)). It is not the government's place to legislate morality, but it was in the dark ages. I wish I had a time machine, I'd just send you back to the good old days instead of letting you and your ignorant gang even attempt to ruin the best country on Earth.
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