I suck at math

AmigaMan

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I graduated from college with a degree in Computer Science and make a great living as a software developer. But I suck at math. Really I do. There was an earlier post about sorting that I remember having to do in college but the math behind it is foreign to me.

So how can I improve my sucky math skillz? Should I try to find an online tele-learning college? What about community college? Anyone have any experience going back and freshening up their math?
 

edro

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Math wouldn't be so hard...





No but seriously... I got a book from Barnes and Noble called "Stuff you should have learned in school." It is a small paperback filled with general knowledge from High School level. There are a few sections on math that I read every now and then to keep it fresh.
 

chuckywang

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Hmm...if it's not important to what you do, why spend the time and money to try improving it?
I suck at history, but I'm not about to try and take some courses and write some papers.
 

PricklyPete

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Didn't you say you worked for a bank...do they know about your math skills? :)

In my opinion the best way for you to improve your math skills is to find a hobby that involves a lot of math. 3D programming would be one (if you like programming beyond your job). I'm sure you could find a lot of other hobbies that require you to use math frequently.
 

dullard

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Math is extremely easy (until you reach the PhD level that is, then it is extremely difficult - even masters level math is easy). For most people, they need to learn about 10 simple rules and they will be able to solve any problem they'll ever come across. Unfortunately, math has never been presented to them in that way. If you missed one of the 10 rules by the time you reached 8th grade, then you will have a horrible time at math and think you suck at it. In reality, you just had bad teachers. This happens to a LOT of people. Don't worry, you can always learn those ~10 rules with a little work.

Compare the ~10 things you need to learn to history where you need to memorize 10,000 dates or names. Compare it to foreign languages where you need to memorize 10,000 words. Compare it to computer programming where you need to memorize 1000 commands. In that context, math is pitifully simple to learn.

My suggestion. Go way back. Way, way back. I'm talking ~6th grade or 7th grade math (assuming you understand addition/subtraction/multiplication/division, if not go even further back). Take a course, get a tutor, or buy a book on pre-algebra. Focus 95% of your time on that. Once you understand pre-algebra, then you'll think all math is easy. Only when that is mastered, then consider going on.
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Didn't you say you worked for a bank...do they know about your math skills? :)

In my opinion the best way for you to improve your math skills is to find a hobby that involves a lot of math. 3D programming would be one (if you like programming beyond your job). I'm sure you could find a lot of other hobbies that require you to use math frequently.

DAMN YOU! Now that my not-so-secret identity has been found out, I'll have to kill you with my...with my...with my evil look :evil:. Yes, I work for a bank. My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus. Although a quick primer on algebra and trig wouldn't hurt either. I never use it in my day job, but I feel so embarrassed when I tell people I have a college degree but can't do calculus or what not...
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: edro13
Math wouldn't be so hard...





No but seriously... I got a book from Barnes and Noble called "Stuff you should have learned in school." It is a small paperback filled with general knowledge from High School level. There are a few sections on math that I read every now and then to keep it fresh.

I admit I'm quite the stupid person, but the difference is at least I know it and am embarrassed by it :p
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: AmigaMan
My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus...
Thanks for the clarification. I've taught calculus lectures and graded much calculus work. I'd say 99% of the incorrect answers/confused students are struggling on the algebra. The calculus is usually well understood, but then they have to do a little algebra to set up/finish the problem. I'd again suggest grabbing some pre-algebra help.

 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus...
Thanks for the clarification. I've taught calculus lectures and graded much calculus work. I'd say 99% of the incorrect answers/confused students are struggling on the algebra. The calculus is usually well understood, but then they have to do a little algebra to set up/finish the problem. I'd again suggest grabbing some pre-algebra help.

That's a good idea. You're probably right in that my math problems started well before calculus. I was selected to go into a pre-algebra class when I was in the 8th grade due to me being a nerdy and well-behaved kid. I was not prepared for it and didn't fail but also didn't do that great. And it's continued on since then up to when I took calculus in the 12th grade. I really failed it but the teacher passed me anyways. I took algebra, trig, and calculus I (twice) and II in college and everytime I actually failed the calculus classes but was passed anyways.

 

badmouse

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If you really want to learn math, try teaching it. Go to the nearest high school, especially one in a less-prosporous area, and ask if there are any algebra students who'd like some free tutoring.

You really learn a lot by teaching.
 

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus...
Thanks for the clarification. I've taught calculus lectures and graded much calculus work. I'd say 99% of the incorrect answers/confused students are struggling on the algebra. The calculus is usually well understood, but then they have to do a little algebra to set up/finish the problem. I'd again suggest grabbing some pre-algebra help.

I teach calculus... I rarely see a calculus error... it's the simpler stuff.

Those 10 rules - what would they be? I can't even think of THAT many!
1. What you do to one side, you do to the other.
2. Don't divide by zero or the universe will implode.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus...
Thanks for the clarification. I've taught calculus lectures and graded much calculus work. I'd say 99% of the incorrect answers/confused students are struggling on the algebra. The calculus is usually well understood, but then they have to do a little algebra to set up/finish the problem. I'd again suggest grabbing some pre-algebra help.

I teach calculus... I rarely see a calculus error... it's the simpler stuff.

Those 10 rules - what would they be? I can't even think of THAT many!
1. What you do to one side, you do to the other.
2. Don't divide by zero or the universe will implode.

3. Combine only like terms
4. e and pi are actual numbers
 

edro

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
My math skills don't suck that bad that I can't do simple stuff. I'm talking about college level stuff like calculus...
Thanks for the clarification. I've taught calculus lectures and graded much calculus work. I'd say 99% of the incorrect answers/confused students are struggling on the algebra. The calculus is usually well understood, but then they have to do a little algebra to set up/finish the problem. I'd again suggest grabbing some pre-algebra help.
I teach calculus... I rarely see a calculus error... it's the simpler stuff.
Those 10 rules - what would they be? I can't even think of THAT many!
1. What you do to one side, you do to the other.
2. Don't divide by zero or the universe will implode.
I was thinking the same thing you guys said... I always thought Calculus was easy... and it is really... the tough part is getting the formula in the form you can apply the Calculus to, or to change it around to get the answer you want... which is ALL Algebra.
 

PanzerIV

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I assure you compared to me you would be seen as a mathematical progidy. However, unlike you I don't give a damn. :D I hate math and it's not a big part of my life nor required for in my profession.
 

Schrodinger

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I don't know why math has been so unanimously declared "difficult".

It follows logic and reason. Here are the rules. Understand them. Repeat this process in future problems and know what rules to use and where. You pass with 95% (5% room for human error I say).
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Those 10 rules - what would they be? I can't even think of THAT many!
1. What you do to one side, you do to the other.
2. Don't divide by zero or the universe will implode.
Well I've never written them out or really counted them. Those are two good ones. Lets see what else we can come up with:
3. Combine only like terms - Thanks to Mathlete
4. Commutative rules. a + b = b + a, a * b = b * a
5. Order of operations. Multiply first then add. <- pretty much covers all order of operation rules.
6. Adding zero is always acceptable and doesn't change the result.
7. What is the name of this rule? If a = b and b = c, then a = c.
8. Multiplying by 1 is always acceptable and doesn't change the result.

Ok I'm about out of rules. There are probably a couple similar ones. If you know those ~7, then you can solve 99.9% of math problems you'll ever come across. Even a complete moron can apply those ~7 rules at random and eventually reach the right answer. But, sadly, math is never taught that way.

My wife had the same problem. She HATED math with a passion (she loves the Jimmy Buffet song, "Math Sucks"). She thought she couldn't do it. She took the minimal math in high school and wanted to avoid it at all costs in college (flunked the math entrance exam into the school). After a few years I encouraged her to take less-traditional math courses (voting theory, statistics, etc). These courses went back to the basics, covered everything she needed, and she aced them. Multiple professors called her in outside of class and tried to encourage her to switch majors to majoring in math since they said she understood it so well. And all due to a 5th grade math teacher who was horrible, she missed some of those rules, and thought she sucked at math.
 

naruto1988

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math is simple. once you know rules and concepts, you can use them to crack away at the hardest problems.
 

austin316

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Originally posted by: AmigaMan
I graduated from college with a degree in Computer Science and make a great living as a software developer. But I suck at math. Really I do. There was an earlier post about sorting that I remember having to do in college but the math behind it is foreign to me.

So how can I improve my sucky math skillz? Should I try to find an online tele-learning college? What about community college? Anyone have any experience going back and freshening up their math?

Posting on a computer forum where everyone seems to score 750+ on the math section of the SATs is probably not your best best to make you feel better.
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: austin316
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
I graduated from college with a degree in Computer Science and make a great living as a software developer. But I suck at math. Really I do. There was an earlier post about sorting that I remember having to do in college but the math behind it is foreign to me.

So how can I improve my sucky math skillz? Should I try to find an online tele-learning college? What about community college? Anyone have any experience going back and freshening up their math?

Posting on a computer forum where everyone seems to score 750+ on the math section of the SATs is probably not your best best to make you feel better.

Oh trust me, I got 1800 on my SATs I isn't stoopid. I was just saying...you know...a "friend" of mine was having some problems you see....and I was trying to see what it was like if I were in his shu's. Yeah that's the ticket.

My goal wasn't to feel better but to be a better person. I'm not a drama queen, I can take the abuse that the 15 year olds thow out.
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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Originally posted by: dullard
Math is extremely easy (until you reach the PhD level that is, then it is extremely difficult - even masters level math is easy). For most people, they need to learn about 10 simple rules and they will be able to solve any problem they'll ever come across. Unfortunately, math has never been presented to them in that way. If you missed one of the 10 rules by the time you reached 8th grade, then you will have a horrible time at math and think you suck at it. In reality, you just had bad teachers. This happens to a LOT of people. Don't worry, you can always learn those ~10 rules with a little work.

WTF are you talking about?
 

Gibson486

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Everything always goes back to algebra. I have tutored people in calculas and people usally have trouble because they need better skills when it come to algebra. I have seen so many times when people added before the multiplied, some don't know how to isolate x,....some don't even know how to add fractions (2nd grade math?).

My g/f is horrible in math and suffers from all the problems above. Math teachers in Florida suck ass.

This is what I tell people when it comes to any subject:
"Don't forget what you learned, b/c you will use it again"

It's one of the reasons why some people are terrible at math. They just learn chapter 1, then go on to chapter 2 thinking it is a whole new subject.