I Smell a Rat

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Ozoned

If you don't have anything substantive to say you could at least keep your crapping down to a minimum and keep away from the spacing out... :thumbsdown:

Infohawk, am I correct in assuming you're a woman?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Infohawk, am I correct in assuming you're a woman?

Have some decency and stop thread-crapping in such a childish way. Out of respect for the original topic I won't respond to your future flame-baits in this thread. Regards.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Ozoned

If you don't have anything substantive to say you could at least keep your crapping down to a minimum and keep away from the spacing out... :thumbsdown:

Infohawk, am I correct in assuming you're a woman?

You noticed the nagging, also?

 

[BBond]

KK, Ozoned;

Are you arithmetically challenged? I did a quick total of the data from Cuyahoga County I provided from 2004 and matched it to the data you provided from Cuyahoga County 2000.

NOVEMBER 2, 2004 GENERAL ELECTION CUYAHOGA COUNTY
PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT
Vote for 1 (With 1458 of 1458 precincts counted)

MICHAEL BADNARIK/RICHARD V. CAMPAGNA 1828 0.28%

GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 215624 33.05%

JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 433262 66.41%

CANDIDATE DISQUALIFIED 0 0.00%

MICHAEL A. PEROUTKA/CHUCK BALDWIN 1667 0.26%

TOTAL VOTES 2004 652,381

NOVEMBER 7, 2000 GENERAL ELECTION CUYAHOGA COUNTY

LIB - HARRY BROWN/ART OLIVIER..... 1,374 0.24
PAT BUCHANAN/EZOLA FOSTER......... 3,040 0.53
REP - GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY.. 192,099 33.42
DEM - AL GORE/JOSEPH LIEBERMAN.... 359,913 62.62
NAT - JOHN HAGELIN/NAT GOLDHABER.. 868 0.15
RALPH NADER/WINONA LaDUKE......... 16,956 2.95
HOWARD PHILLIPS/J. CURTIS FRAZIER.. 527 0.09

TOTAL VOTES 2000 574,777



Total of 77,604 more votes in 2004. Please re-read the info at the links I provided. Not only were there more votes in Cuyahoga County in 2004, but the vote totals are higher than the number of registered voters in several precincts (see links). I find it odd that the percentages are nearly reversed. I guess the geniuses at the Bush campaign, much like you, couldn't do the arithmetic to get the actual totals right.

Ozoned, better get your nose checked. Apparently, your sense of smell is as far off as your thought processes.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: BBond

Total of 77,604 more votes in 2004. Please re-read the info at the links I provided. Not only were there more votes in Cuyahoga County in 2004, but the vote totals are higher than the number of registered voters in several precincts (see links). I find it odd that the percentages are nearly reversed. I guess the geniuses at the Bush campaign, much like you, couldn't do the arithmetic to get the actual totals right.

So in one post you are saying there is an extra 97,000 votes, in this post you are say that there was only 77,000 more votes than in 2000. So if you minus 77000 from 97000, we had 20000 less voters in 2004 than in 2000. Do you not think that there would have been more voters this year than 4 years ago? You math and reasoning need to come together and then maybe you'll see the light.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BBond

Total of 77,604 more votes in 2004. Please re-read the info at the links I provided. Not only were there more votes in Cuyahoga County in 2004, but the vote totals are higher than the number of registered voters in several precincts (see links). I find it odd that the percentages are nearly reversed. I guess the geniuses at the Bush campaign, much like you, couldn't do the arithmetic to get the actual totals right.

So in one post you are saying there is an extra 97,000 votes, in this post you are say that there was only 77,000 more votes than in 2000. So if you minus 77000 from 97000, we had 20000 less voters in 2004 than in 2000. Do you not think that there would have been more voters this year than 4 years ago? You math and reasoning need to come together and then maybe you'll see the light.

OP stated ~97,000 OVER VOTES. Last post stated ~77,000 MORE votes in 2004 over 2000.

Get your facts straight. You're making a fool of yourself publicly exhibiting your lack of math and cognitive skills.

Why does that NOT surprise me?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: BBond

Total of 77,604 more votes in 2004. Please re-read the info at the links I provided. Not only were there more votes in Cuyahoga County in 2004, but the vote totals are higher than the number of registered voters in several precincts (see links). I find it odd that the percentages are nearly reversed. I guess the geniuses at the Bush campaign, much like you, couldn't do the arithmetic to get the actual totals right.

So in one post you are saying there is an extra 97,000 votes, in this post you are say that there was only 77,000 more votes than in 2000. So if you minus 77000 from 97000, we had 20000 less voters in 2004 than in 2000. Do you not think that there would have been more voters this year than 4 years ago? You math and reasoning need to come together and then maybe you'll see the light.

OP stated ~97,000 OVER VOTES. Last post stated ~77,000 MORE votes in 2004 over 2000.

Get your facts straight. You're making a fool of yourself publicly exhibiting your lack of math and cognitive skills.

Why does that NOT surprise me?

You're still not addressing the fact that there would be more votes this election than 2000. Do you not think there would be more votes this time? Just with all the crack the democrats were passing out for getting folk to vote for them, you'd probably get atleast 20000 in this county alone.

The only one being a fool is the OP for posting such garbage.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond


Ozoned, better get your nose checked. Apparently, your sense of smell is as far off as your thought processes.

"I smell a rat. It has that distinctive and all-too-familiar odor of the species Republicanus floridius. We got a nasty bite from this pest four years ago and never quite recovered. Symptoms of a long-term infection are becoming distressingly apparent."



Let me offer clarity. Your thread is a pathetic POS. Its premise is a pathetic POS troll. The smell coming from this thread is the smell of your Troll sh!t.

(cliffnotes): and

 

[bsobel]

OP stated ~97,000 OVER VOTES

There are a zillion links on this issue now, please do some searching on the subject, this is a pretty good easy to read summary of what happened:

The "ballots cast" numbers are inflated due to the software that groups cities or wards that share the same ballot grouping or ballot combination.

For example, Bay Village is in the 10th congressional district, the 16th house district, and the 24th state senate district. 10/16/24 is what is known as a ballot grouping or ballot combination. In even-numbered years, Cuyahoga County's BOE software counts votes by these ballot groupings.

In that ballot grouping are the communities that share the same 10/16/24 designation. That includes cities like Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted.

So the total ballots cast for Bay Village takes the actual number of ballots cast, plus all the absentee ballots that were cast from those other communities belonging to the 10/16/24 grouping. That's why "ballots cast" is so high.

The software throws in every absentee ballot for that particular 10/16/24 grouping in every community that is part of the grouping. That explains why when you also look at Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted, the number of" ballots cast" in those cities exceeds "registered" voters as well. (Only Westlake's isn't higher - but it is 25,000 to 25,000).

The reason the numbers are inflated under "Ballots cast" is because the number for Bay Village includes the absentee ballots cast in Bay Village, Rocky River, Westlake and North Olmsted.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Infohawk, am I correct in assuming you're a woman?

Have some decency and stop thread-crapping in such a childish way. Out of respect for the original topic I won't respond to your future flame-baits in this thread. Regards.

You little twit, you accused me of the same thing in another thread, go away & crawl under your parent's bed, I think I hear thunder...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: bsobel

OP stated ~97,000 OVER VOTES

There are a zillion links on this issue now, please do some searching on the subject, this is a pretty good easy to read summary of what happened:

The "ballots cast" numbers are inflated due to the software that groups cities or wards that share the same ballot grouping or ballot combination.

For example, Bay Village is in the 10th congressional district, the 16th house district, and the 24th state senate district. 10/16/24 is what is known as a ballot grouping or ballot combination. In even-numbered years, Cuyahoga County's BOE software counts votes by these ballot groupings.

In that ballot grouping are the communities that share the same 10/16/24 designation. That includes cities like Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted.

So the total ballots cast for Bay Village takes the actual number of ballots cast, plus all the absentee ballots that were cast from those other communities belonging to the 10/16/24 grouping. That's why "ballots cast" is so high.

The software throws in every absentee ballot for that particular 10/16/24 grouping in every community that is part of the grouping. That explains why when you also look at Rocky River, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted, the number of" ballots cast" in those cities exceeds "registered" voters as well. (Only Westlake's isn't higher - but it is 25,000 to 25,000).

The reason the numbers are inflated under "Ballots cast" is because the number for Bay Village includes the absentee ballots cast in Bay Village, Rocky River, Westlake and North Olmsted.

That's a good explanation, but AFAIK the absentee ballots haven't been counted yet.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond


Ozoned, better get your nose checked. Apparently, your sense of smell is as far off as your thought processes.

"I smell a rat. It has that distinctive and all-too-familiar odor of the species Republicanus floridius. We got a nasty bite from this pest four years ago and never quite recovered. Symptoms of a long-term infection are becoming distressingly apparent."



Let me offer clarity. Your thread is a pathetic POS. Its premise is a pathetic POS troll. The smell coming from this thread is the smell of your Troll sh!t.

(cliffnotes): and

Don't feel obligated to address the information in the OP, Ozoned. Feel free to do what you neocons always do. Ignore information and attack the messenger.

 

[Michael]

BBond:

The difference in "ballots cast" to the number of registered voters has been explained.

In 2004 in Cuyahoga County, Kerry received a higher proportion of votes than Gore did in 2000. If you check the numbers you posted, you'll see that Kerry essentially picked up the Nader vote percentage.

So the two points you're trying to make - total votes compared to registered voters and the number of Kerry votes in the County you're discussing - both appear to be off the mark with no issue.

Maybe you can clearly state the case you're trying to make instead of linking or cutting and pasting and requiring us to infer what you're trying to say?

I've said this before - voter and vote fraud is a serious issue. However, being a "chicken little" does not solve anything.

Michael

 

[Sysbuilder05]

Funny how Republicans won't EVEN begin to entertain the fact that these EV machines could be faulty. And...its a wee bit hard to prove when these Diebold and other electronic voting machines aren't equipped(wink-wink)to print out thier OWN voting results. What BS,until you look at how much Diebold gives to Republican PAC groups.

Don't you Republicans think its also a bit ODD that CNN changed THEIR OWN exit polling numbers for Ohio at 1:41 AM on their web site?? There are saved screen shots before and after from the CNN site so its not just crazed Liberal rambling.

Kerry was the clear winner of CNN exit polls by 52/48%. CNN didn't poll 30 or 40 people,they polled TWO THOUSAND. If that large number wouldn't give you an accurate poll number then nothing would.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Kerry was the clear winner of CNN exit polls by 52/48%. CNN didn't poll 30 or 40 people,they polled TWO THOUSAND. If that large number wouldn't give you an accurate poll number then nothing would.

Damn, I think we need to start using exit polling to decide the president of the US. You know, since it's much more reliable than actual votes casted. No one ever lies on them like on the real ballots. :roll:

If this is the kind of stupidity the republicans are up against, then they are in pretty good shape.

 

[bsobel]

CNN didn't poll 30 or 40 people,they polled TWO THOUSAND. If that large number wouldn't give you an accurate poll number then nothing would.

You need to take a stasitics course. As for 'nothing would', well turns out a complete an accurate count of what votes where actually made will.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Michael
BBond:

The difference in "ballots cast" to the number of registered voters has been explained.

In 2004 in Cuyahoga County, Kerry received a higher proportion of votes than Gore did in 2000. If you check the numbers you posted, you'll see that Kerry essentially picked up the Nader vote percentage.

So the two points you're trying to make - total votes compared to registered voters and the number of Kerry votes in the County you're discussing - both appear to be off the mark with no issue.

Maybe you can clearly state the case you're trying to make instead of linking or cutting and pasting and requiring us to infer what you're trying to say?

I've said this before - voter and vote fraud is a serious issue. However, being a "chicken little" does not solve anything.

Michael

Michael,

Even if Kerry picked up the Nader 2 percent how do you explain the Dem/Rep percentages being nearly reversed 2000/2004? Lacking the ability to re-count up to one-third of the votes cast due to e-voting equipment that didn't produce a paper trail, it is now impossible to verify those votes.

If you have a problem getting the drift of Shea's article I doubt that any attempt on my part to 'clearly state the case' will help, but I'll try.

It's quite simple. You don't mark a deck unless you plan to cheat. Using equipment without a paper trail equates with marking the deck. The CEO of Diebold stated he would do anything he could to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush, and he did. Also, Ohio is not the only state mentioned in Shea's piece. Why is everyone avoiding Florida?

 

[Michael]

BBond:

From the numbers you posted:

2004

GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 215624 33.05%
JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 433262 66.41%

2000

REP - GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY.. 192,099 33.42
DEM - AL GORE/JOSEPH LIEBERMAN.... 359,913 62.62

What is "opposite" from 2000?

The Democrats increased almost 4% from 2000 to 2004 and the Republicans actually went down as a percentage of votes.

Michael

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: Michael
BBond:

From the numbers you posted:

2004

GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 215624 33.05%
JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 433262 66.41%

2000

REP - GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY.. 192,099 33.42
DEM - AL GORE/JOSEPH LIEBERMAN.... 359,913 62.62

What is "opposite" from 2000?

The Democrats increased almost 4% from 2000 to 2004 and the Republicans actually went down as a percentage of votes.

Michael

There you go again. Confusing the issue with facts.

 

[earthman]

What's sad is that in the wealthiest "democracy" in the world, we have no consistent voting method, the voting mechanisms are controlled by private companies in many cases, there is no verifiable paper record in many areas, the voting software is not auditable, many of the voting machines malfunction, many of the voting machines are not secure, there are not enough voting machines in many (poor) areas, and many people are lied to and intimidated in a way to obviously try to keep them from voting. Observers from Europe were not even allowed to be in Ohio or Florida. I starting to wonder just what kind of "democracy" we have left.