I see HFCS products here.

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lxskllr

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It doesn't FORCE it into anything. It changes it into a completely different chemical with different properties. I'm the fuckwit who knows fuckall about what I'm talking about?

Further, you extrapolated your first bullshit premise into a bullshit conclusion, which is:


So trans fats have roughly the same melting points as saturated fats, probably slightly higher since they can pack tighter, while cis fats have substantially lower melting points. Cis fats are generally healthier, saturated fats kinda in the middle, and trans fats generally worse. Point being, your premise and conclusion are hilariously flawed.

Try again.

Are you autistic, or just not a native English speaker? Anyone that can get by in the world wiping their own ass, knows to translate "forced", into "modified by a chemical process by a manufacturer". This shit isn't hard...

As to the melting point... I assume someone that can wipe their own ass knows the general properties of common oils. Lard is generally solid at room temperature, while something like cottonseed oil is generally liquid at room temperature. If you see firm cottonseed oil, it's a safer assumption than not that it's a trans fat.

Again, this shit isn't difficult. You're so caught up in your superiority complex you don't realize how fuckin' stupid you are.

You try again numbnuts. Idiots get out of school with knowledge forced into their heads, yet they were never taught to think. Maybe you'll learn to think as you grow up...
 

Red Squirrel

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Quite the discovery my good chap. Anyone else wondering when this poor fellow will finally discover religion is bullshit and what that will look like? A post on the internet I'm sure.

You would never guess Aunt Jemima is not actually real maple syrup....Because God told me so. How embarrassing to be dimwitted and yet deluded enough to think you're not.o_O

WTF does this have to do with God? Why are you even trying to bring religion into this?

I did not just discover this, I was simply pointing it out, as an example since lot of foods that are marketed as being something, actually arn't that. Peanut butter is the same way. Probably honey as well, though I don't have any honey here so I can't check, I'll check next time I go to the grocery store.
 

mb

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WTF does this have to do with God? Why are you even trying to bring religion into this?

I did not just discover this, I was simply pointing it out, as an example since lot of foods that are marketed as being something, actually arn't that. Peanut butter is the same way. Probably honey as well, though I don't have any honey here so I can't check, I'll check next time I go to the grocery store.

I think the biggest point is that syrups like Aunt Jemima syrup are NOT marketed as being maple syrup. I don't know how anyone could possibly think that they are.
 

zCypher

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I think the biggest point is that syrups like Aunt Jemima syrup are NOT marketed as being maple syrup. I don't know how anyone could possibly think that they are.
i think it's less that people think it's maple syrup vs people don't necessarily make much of a distinction between different types of syrup. They might just think screw it, syrup is syrup and this one is $2 instead of $6-7.

i've never heard of anyone actually confusing aunt jemima for real maple syrup though. interestingly enough, I liked the fake crap more as a kid.
 

uclaLabrat

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Are you autistic, or just not a native English speaker? Anyone that can get by in the world wiping their own ass, knows to translate "forced", into "modified by a chemical process by a manufacturer". This shit isn't hard...

As to the melting point... I assume someone that can wipe their own ass knows the general properties of common oils. Lard is generally solid at room temperature, while something like cottonseed oil is generally liquid at room temperature. If you see firm cottonseed oil, it's a safer assumption than not that it's a trans fat.

Again, this shit isn't difficult. You're so caught up in your superiority complex you don't realize how fuckin' stupid you are.

You try again numbnuts. Idiots get out of school with knowledge forced into their heads, yet they were never taught to think. Maybe you'll learn to think as you grow up...
haha...ok buddy. You're right, it's not difficult, which is why it's so funny to me that people like you continue to fuck it up.
 
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WTF does this have to do with God? Why are you even trying to bring religion into this?

I did not just discover this, I was simply pointing it out, as an example since lot of foods that are marketed as being something, actually arn't that. Peanut butter is the same way. Probably honey as well, though I don't have any honey here so I can't check, I'll check next time I go to the grocery store.

But those syrups aren't marketed that way. There was a fuss a few years back over one brand using a similar bottle design as one of the established real maple syrup brands when they were selling like some bastardized mix or something that wasn't real maple syrup. I believe they actually got sued over it. That's totally different from those other syrups.

Peanut butter isn't the same way since it is peanut butter, but the amount of oils used does have some impact. That's waaaaaay overblown though now since they've largely switched away from the trans fat oils. Granted I do prefer more base peanut, but if you think you're being a lot healthier by eating some niche "100% organic" peanut butter you're just deluding yourself.

The problem with honey is outright fraud. I think the real fraud in honey was it was being sourced from China and then sent to other countries where it was processed and then imported to the US. Thing is, I don't know that the honey was actually bad, its just that a company was bypassing tariffs and obviously being fraudulent about the source. But it being Chinese sourced who the hell knows (but, if its purified then I would think it would also filter out the shitty stuff in the Chinese honey but I could be wrong). So its not as bad as the olive oil fraud. Also the crap about buying local honey to help with allergies is BS.

My understanding is that HFCS is similar to sugar but the slight chemical differences mean you eat it but your body does not feel full after eating it like it would if you are natural cane sugar, so you eat the HFCS and just want more due to not feeling satieated.


I have mostly eliminated it from my diet. The only time I have it is usually when I eat candy.

Outside of organic products, It's very hard to find salad dressing, jelly, tomato sauce, or salsa here in the US that doesn't have HFCS in it. It's also in a lot of breads.

I haven't seen that actually backed up by studies but I stopped paying attention to this since anyone with half a brain gave up arguing about HFCS vs "sugar" and instead have moved the focus to sugar intake in general.

I actually don't think the fairly minor amount of sugars put into things like breads and other foods to make them more palatable is that big of a problem (and frankly, that is not a recent phenomenon like some people would have you believe, people are just made more aware of it due to nutritional labels), as its the overabundance and overconsumption of high sugar foods that are the real problem. We went from pop not existing, to being an occasional dessert to it being a staple of most meals plus a general beverage for some people. Or dumping tons of sugars into coffee and tea based drinks. Or "sports" drinks. Or "fruit" or "dairy" drinks that contain more sugar than pop does.
 

OverVolt

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Its not that bad it just might kill you dead if you eat too much is all.

:p

Fructose without fiber hits your liver too fast. It gives you a beer belly. There is no way that stuff is good for you. In moderation, yeah who cares. I feel like fructose fatigue is behind soda sales plunging.

They don't sell a 2-liter here anymore. It used to be a 2-liter for $1.25 not long ago. Now its a 1.25 Liter for $1. I see what you did there.

You heard it here first! Fructose fatigue. Legitimately, I taste something high in fructose, yogurt, a soda, whatever. And I find it pretty unpleasant. I hit my limit of that stuff. Real food please.

My parents bought soda for guests coming over. It went 100% untouched. It used to be "what have you got to drink?" and people would usually pick a soda or Gatorade or something. No one seems to drink that stuff anymore. I personally am sick of the taste of fructose too so yeah.
 
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LTC8K6

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Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Water, Cellulose Gum, Caramel Color, Salt, Sodium Benzoate And Sorbic Acid (Preservatives), Artificial And Natural Flavors, Sodium Hexametaphosphate.

Aunt Jemima original syrup ingredients.
 
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LTC8K6

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U.S. Grade A Dark Amber Pure Maple Syrup.

Maple Grove Farms ingredients.
 

OverVolt

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Congrats, in a thread full of idiocy, you took the cake. This is easily the most illogical and nonsensical quote of the entire thread, though to be fair, I haven't read past your post yet.

There's no way of keeping track short of analyzing the composition of fatty acid content.

Furthermore, you can't "force" a liquid into being a solid, the melting point of fats is solely a function of its chemical structure. The structure can be modified (i.e. converted into another type of fat) by chemical reactions such as hydrogenation to improve its physical characteristics and improve texture, shelf life, etc.

I have no idea where you came up with that line, but it shows a massive misunderstanding of the chemistry involved with food and disease, though to be fair, even most "expert" nutritionists don't get it either.
Its not that hard. Saturated stearic acids get converted into oleic acids, about 70%. So butter isn't that bad for you.

Trans fats, nickel catalysts and hydrogen bubbled through soybean oil at 400F and all that stuff, are impossible to convert into anything except when metabolized for energy but most people operate 24/7 on a carbohydrate metabolism so they stick around.

If you know much about cell membranes that means in order to maintain proper elasticity and integrity you need more cholesterol in your cell membranes to make them more fluid because the trans fat makes the membrane too stiff. You can practically see the people who eat too much trans fat by the condition of their skin. I'm guessing that is the mechanism behind people with high cholesterol without eating much dietary cholesterol.
 
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Jeff7

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The problem with honey is outright fraud. I think the real fraud in honey was it was being sourced from China and then sent to other countries where it was processed and then imported to the US. Thing is, I don't know that the honey was actually bad, its just that a company was bypassing tariffs and obviously being fraudulent about the source. But it being Chinese sourced who the hell knows (but, if its purified then I would think it would also filter out the shitty stuff in the Chinese honey but I could be wrong). So its not as bad as the olive oil fraud. Also the crap about buying local honey to help with allergies is BS.
One of the issues I've heard of with honey is that the legal definition of "honey" says that it must contain some quantity of pollen. Some overseas producers prefer that the pollen be completely removed, specifically because that makes it difficult or impossible to trace its origin.



I haven't seen that actually backed up by studies but I stopped paying attention to this since anyone with half a brain gave up arguing about HFCS vs "sugar" and instead have moved the focus to sugar intake in general.
I think it was supposedly that fructose causes your body to react differently. I don't know how significant the effect is though.

The part that rubs me the wrong way about the whole thing is that the corn industry has a lot of political power, and I'm sure that the inclusion of corn in damn near everything we eat isn't done for the good of the consumer. As with any business, it's about money - which is fine and good. Where it turns wrong is when they start screwing around with the regulatory agencies that are meant to keep businesses from doing what they're often prone to do: Endanger customers whenever it suits them.