I saw a real life illegal alien!

[SherEPunjab]

It means I do not enjoy getting my order screwed up by illiterate, non-English speaking fast food workers. It's bad enough getting it screwed up by illiterate English speaking workers. Throw in an inability to even speak the same language, and the fsck-up rate goes way up. Not to mention the frustration of even ordering the meal.

Just because they cannot speak English properly and work at a fast food chain does not mean they are illiterate. They may very well be literate, just not in your language.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Carbo
Bullspit to all you short sighted liberals who pontificate that the borders of the US should be wide open.

i'm hardly a liberal and i like open borders...

the illegals pay just as much in taxes as natives who get the same pay (they buy something, theres sales tax. they live somewhere, theres property tax, which means they are paying for the schools), and work harder, and complain less. why would i not want them?

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Carbo
Bullspit to all you short sighted liberals who pontificate that the borders of the US should be wide open.

i'm hardly a liberal and i like open borders...

the illegals pay just as much in taxes as natives who get the same pay (they buy something, theres sales tax. they live somewhere, theres property tax, which means they are paying for the schools), and work harder, and complain less. why would i not want them?

Well, to be technical, you're not exactly correct El Fenix. They don't pay the same income taxes. A lot of these workers are contract, not on a payroll. A lot of them are paid by checks or cash. If they don't write their social security number, it can go unreported. For example, our plumber and our maid both refuse to give us their social security number. They didn't want to get taxed, they just took the personal checks. They've made tens of thousands of dollars, and I don't know how much they have paid for it in taxes. our maid, for example, cleans our house, and 4 of our friends' houses. she takes 50 dollars a pop, she's been working with us and our friends for 5 years.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Carbo
Bullspit to all you short sighted liberals who pontificate that the borders of the US should be wide open.

i'm hardly a liberal and i like open borders...

the illegals pay just as much in taxes as natives who get the same pay (they buy something, theres sales tax. they live somewhere, theres property tax, which means they are paying for the schools), and work harder, and complain less. why would i not want them?

Well, to be technical, you're not exactly correct El Fenix. They don't pay the same income taxes. A lot of these workers are contract, not on a payroll. A lot of them are paid by checks or cash. If they don't write their social security number, it can go unreported. For example, our plumber and our maid both refuse to give us their social security number. They didn't want to get taxed, they just took the personal checks. They've made tens of thousands of dollars, and I don't know how much they have paid for it in taxes. our maid, for example, cleans our house, and 4 of our friends' houses. she takes 50 dollars a pop, she's been working with us and our friends for 5 years.

In one way or another they do paid some tax.
I don't think that the average American that earn $13000.00 per year paid much income tax, and they very likely to get holiday pay as well compare to the average Hispanic allien. ($50 per/day * 260 days = $13000.00)

The aliens don't paid income tax directly, but the business owners who hire them do. On paper the total net income that the person or company that hire these non SSC holder will be much higher than in reality therefore he/she have to cough up the different. Unless the are shady business that is keeping 2 books, but the Ins will get to them eventually. And, the people that hold fake SSC paid into all kind of taxes, but do not reap the benefit that they paid into.

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: kevin000
Who cares? Mexicans are great/hard workers. They do the jobs that nobody else would want to do so I give them credit. I don't know why people complain, the sh-t they do I'd never even think of. A few years back, my neighbor was having cement work done, redoing his sidewalk. Those Meixcans dug out the existing sidewalk by hand and hauled away the pieced by hand. They do it for a pizza or two and $50-$75 per person. I'm sure any union worker would cost you 4x that, and would take 4x as long to complete...

Because many *NOT ALL* drive around town with no insurance and are terrible drivers to boot, they do so many hit and runs it's not even funny. I would not mind if they took the bus, it's $.50 for them to take it.

thats a stupid reason IMHO. By the way, I guarantee if their was a study taken, you would see the benefits of having them around FAR outweighs these things such as traffic accidents, even health care costs, education etc. Construction costs are always high, having number of mexicans helps keeps it low (at least in Houston).

Far benificial as in helping greedy companies make even more money for their top people and taking away jobs that legal citizens are having trouble getting? These companies aren't lowering cost to the consumer, they are raising profits as much as they possibly can.
Take all these companies moving operations to Mexico....have the prices of their products dropped tremendously?? Nope!

Thats not true. The cost of living in Texas is cheaper than in other states. Domestic help, landscaping, and all other manual labor is much cheaper in Texas as well. Its no coincidence that the people that have these jobs are by and large hispanic.

Yes big companies may be greedy, and yes they profit by cheap labor, but the end consumer does as well, at least from my experience living in Houston. I am a business owner and can say very easily that if i hired a black or white to do a job the mexican will, almost always do the job cheaper. Just go to a restaurant and see who does the dishes, the bus boys, etc. etc. Heck, most Chinese restaurants i've seen have Mexican chefs in Houston. Thats why I can the occasional Jalapeno with my Kung Pao chicken 😱

Once all jobs go to mexico....what american is going to have a job to be able to pay for the mexican made goods?? These companies are eventually going to screw themselves .

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Oh not to worry my friend. They will come back when you are williing to work for $4 a day like a worker in Warez Mex. Plus we have good credit, it's only 6 trillion right now or 267K per individual. I'm sure we can get it up to 10 Trill before intrest payments suffocate us.

The only other way is through tarriffs which is a bad word. But works decently for Japan and some European countries to keep a manufacturing base at home. Best find a job in the defese industry for the time being since we will never outsource it...Oh wait mitubishi is building the electronics on the patriot III due out next year. Save now.

Tarriffs, HA.

NAFTA makes is simple. Thank Clinton if you lose your job to South America...

 

[Peetoeng]

Originally posted by: kevin000


Tarriffs, HA.

NAFTA makes is simple. Thank Clinton if you lose your job to South America...

That's free market! Capital/labor will go where it is valued the most.

Remember the heyday of dot-com companies when you could get
multiple high-paying job offers just for knowing HTML. But then, the boom went bust, dot-com companies entered the
fuckedcompany.com's hall of shame, and many low-tech IT jobs got outsourced to India. HTML coding is like flipping burgers or mowing lawns. Why pays 10 people $60K each, while you can just pay 2 people (as the concept designers) for $60K and outsource the labor-intensive work to India for a lot cheaper cost.

It ain't fun to be broom maker in the richest country in the world, I'll give you that.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

It means I do not enjoy getting my order screwed up by illiterate, non-English speaking fast food workers. It's bad enough getting it screwed up by illiterate English speaking workers. Throw in an inability to even speak the same language, and the fsck-up rate goes way up. Not to mention the frustration of even ordering the meal.

Just because they cannot speak English properly and work at a fast food chain does not mean they are illiterate. They may very well be literate, just not in your language.

If they are illiterate in the language of the country they work in, they are functionally illiterate.

 

[Carbo]

i'm hardly a liberal and i like open borders...

the illegals pay just as much in taxes as natives who get the same pay (they buy something, theres sales tax. they live somewhere, theres property tax, which means they are paying for the schools), and work harder, and complain less. why would i not want them?

Illegal aliens do not pay as much in taxes as do legal residents or citizens. If you are working off the books, you are not paying incomes taxes.
If you are living in subsidized housing, or renting an apartment, you do not pay property taxes, which means they are not contributing to school taxes, even though their children attend those schools.
Illegal aliens are a burden to the US taxpayer. If US businesses and employers need cheap labor, we have a prison system full of available cheap labor. They have a lot of time on their hands. Put the damn cons to work.