I really think this would be AWESOME!!!

[FinalFantasy]

There was a discussion going on in the JFK Reloaded news section and here is my thoughts (which I posted earlier in that section, but wanted to take to OT), in general, on the subject.


Here's a fun game for you!

Character: You are a middle-age Iraqi man, that works for al-Qaeda by performing terrorist acts, to make money for your family. The US has invaded your country and is making quick work of killing off your comrades and you, your family and your city is next on the list.

Mission: Kill off hordes of US soldiers as they try to invade your city. Take as many US soldiers as possible hostage and use them as leverage in "life-like" dealings with the US government; extreme torture and pain tatics may be used on the captured, which can include beheading.

REAL names of captured and killed US soldiers will be used during gameplay and you are given bonus points for killing one or more of the listed (in real life) KIA or MIA soldiers during combat.

Later missions include bombing of real US monuments (including a reenactment of the bombing of and later plane crash of the "Twin Towers" aka the World Trade Center--learn to pilot a 747 and actually take over one during gameplay) and historical buildings and the destruction of major cities inside US terrioty! You will be able to see and interact with "life-like" US citizens and watch as they are blown up, shot or whatever way you, as a member of al-Qaeda, see fit to deal with "these people".

Sound fun? It sounds like fun to me...why not you? There's plenty of games pretty much like this, but of course in different settings/times/etc etc, but I just thought I'd try to "mix up" the races a bit and see what people reactions would be to a game like this, instead of seeing the usual "White man/army" kill "INSERT MINORITY RACE HERE" for whatever reason and while your at it call it "a historical reenactment" that does not offend anyone...and the reason I say "White man/army" is because you do not see any blacks, latinos or asians in the games (or at least any you can control) unless they are being killed.

BTW, anyone play GTA3: San Andreas yet? It's sort of like the game stated above except it's just showing mostly "black on black" crimes...nice change from the east coast to west coast style GTA...I'm surprised no supposed "leaders" in the black community have not complained about this game yet...

And please don't guess or assume what race I am, as a lot of you like to ASSUME and probably will make this into a race case...I think I'll leave my race out of this one as it is not part of the topic here...really this should all be about games being insensitive to a person (as in this case) or a certain group of people and portraying them in a disrespectful manner, which this game does...and a bigger issue here is that game developers say that these games do not have an effect or change the way "people" in general feel about that the race/gender/etc that is being portrayed in a negative way or is the "bad guy" and I agree...BUT, while they say "people" what about the 8 or 10 or 12 year old boy who sits in front of this game 4-5+ hours a day on this game...how does it effect him? ...and for those of you who say that, "it's up to the parents to regulate what their kids watch/play/hear/etc".

1. Parents are not with their kids 100% of the time (on avg out of a 14 hour day it's around 28.5%) and should not be expected to be

2. Parents do not play these games and DO NOT know how "life-like" these games are and even if they did play them, the game would not have that much effect on them, as they would not play NEARLY AS LONG as some of these kids

3. I speak from personal experience, I know a kid who plays GTA3 for a few hours a day and has cussed out his teacher(s) 3x so far this year and gotten into 5 fights...btw...he's 10...and he has excellent parents and his siblings are all, for the most part, doing well in school and life, with the occasional trouble here and there.....point is though...he's the only one out of the house who plays GTA3...any connection there or just coincidence?

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
3. I speak from personal experience, I know a kid who plays GTA3 for a few hours a day and has cussed out his teacher(s) 3x so far this year and gotten into 5 fights...btw...he's 10...and he has excellent parents and his siblings are all, for the most part, doing well in school and life, with the occasional trouble here and there.....point is though...he's the only one out of the house who plays GTA3...any connection there or just coincidence?

Speaking of assumptions

 

[brxndxn]

I don't like the idea of the game.. But I don't see why a game like that should be illegal.

EDIT:

3. I speak from personal experience, I know a kid who plays GTA3 for a few hours a day and has cussed out his teacher(s) 3x so far this year and gotten into 5 fights...btw...he's 10...and he has excellent parents and his siblings are all, for the most part, doing well in school and life, with the occasional trouble here and there.....point is though...he's the only one out of the house who plays GTA3...any connection there or just coincidence?

So, games like that should be illegal? Or, should the parents take notice of their kid playing a violent game a few hours every day?

I like violent games.. I like them a lot. And, irl, I am a very nonviolent person. Though, I was in trouble in school all the time growing up. Oh ya, I played super-crazy violent Mario. And then, I ran around stepping on other kids and punching holes in the ceilings of my school for uber powerups.

 

[Injury]

distasteful != illegal.

A company's reputation goes along with the games they publish. Whoever would make this game would be screwed. Not only would they not sell many copies of this, they would be boycotted by stores accross the world.

 

[Rogue]

Yeah, the connection here is that his parents aren't doing their damn job, period if they are permitting a 10-year old to play GTA3.

As to your other statements, it's a load of BS. Perhaps if people elsewhere in the world wished to make games that cater to their tastes and their markets, they would. I don't see a GTA: Baghdad selling well here in the states, but you never know. I know what I'm about to say may seem inflamatory, but if the rest of the world would reach the technological levels that other nations have, you wouldn't be asking this question, now would you? Look at games from Asia, they usually contain a good number of Asian characters in them (typically samurai, ninja, school girl outfit type characters). I think you're just throwing out the line and keeping the trolling motor on. I bit and released BTW.

 

[Atomicus]

LOL

I love how people correlate any form of violence in media to violent actions in people.
I played Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Doom, Castle Wolfenstein, GTA, GTA2, GTA 3, GTA VC, GTA San Andreas, Soldier of Fortune, UT, Day of Defeat, Counter-Strike, violent games etc. Endless hours on my NES killing ducks, my SNES w/ Mortal Kombat, my PS and PS2 running around with tanks, chainsaws, guns, RPGs, knives, screw drivers.... omfg I'm ranting here.

NEVER HAVE I ONCE CURSED OUT OR EVEN REMOTELY THREATENED AN AUTHORITY FIGURE OR PERSON IN A SERIOUS MANNER.

Wait a minute.... I know a sh*t load of people who're like me. Coincidence? More like the parents doing a good job in raising a child with commom sense. I think these violent children are nothing more than victims of poor parenting and suffer from underdeveloped/malnurished brains.

I hope my endless hours of Pac-man doesn't cause me to go around eating white spherical pills, cherrys, pretzels, onions, and bigger white spherical pills which makes the squid-like beings chasing me into flashing squid-like beings which I can then eat for points. OH YEA BRING ON THE WHITE SPHERICAL PILLS AND MAZES!

 

[Phoenix86]

1. Parents are not with their kids 100% of the time (on avg out of a 14 hour day it's around 28.5%) and should not be expected to be

2. Parents do not play these games and DO NOT know how "life-like" these games are and even if they did play them, the game would not have that much effect on them, as they would not play NEARLY AS LONG as some of these kids

Yes, lets absolve parents of all responsibilities.

:roll:

 

[Quixfire]

1. Parents are not with their kids 100% of the time (on avg out of a 14 hour day it's around 28.5%) and should not be expected to be

Although this is true in my own life, my children are not allowed on the computer without either my wife or myself present.

2. Parents do not play these games and DO NOT know how "life-like" these games are and even if they did play them, the game would not have that much effect on them, as they would not play NEARLY AS LONG as some of these kids

This, however, is not true in my case. I personally have played ever game my children are exposed to and play. I have played every game they have wanted to play and if I felt the content was unacceptable for them I would explain why I didn't want them playing it. This is not to say my son or daughters hasn't played games like UT2004 or SOF, but both of these allow me to turn the gore off. Other games like GTA are different and they are not allowed to play them.

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Yeah, the connection here is that his parents aren't doing their damn job, period if they are permitting a 10-year old to play GTA3.

As to your other statements, it's a load of BS. Perhaps if people elsewhere in the world wished to make games that cater to their tastes and their markets, they would. I don't see a GTA: Baghdad selling well here in the states, but you never know. I know what I'm about to say may seem inflamatory, but if the rest of the world would reach the technological levels that other nations have, you wouldn't be asking this question, now would you? Look at games from Asia, they usually contain a good number of Asian characters in them (typically samurai, ninja, school girl outfit type characters). I think you're just throwing out the line and keeping the trolling motor on. I bit and released BTW.

You do not make a point here...

Where are you going with this?

1. Asia is made up of mainly..."Asian" people, so they can portray their characters in any light as they please under THEIR moral/value system and what THEY think is good for THEIR country ...maybe i'm just holding the US to a higher standard then it should be...hey, not surprising though.

2. Games like this do not come from Asia...Japan, China, Taiwan etc etc is somewhat smarter then the US, and while their game may be "similar" to the games the US produces, they are in no way "the same" and are at least a little more tasteful...and YES...some games that have come from Asia have been tasteless/disrespectful/whatever you want to call it as some US games have been

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

 

[Quixfire]

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

 

[Atomicus]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

And the majority of serial killers are white males also. Must be a coicidence.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Atomicus

Originally posted by: Quixfire

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

And the majority of serial killers are white males also. Must be a coicidence.

That's because whites are too smart to get caught after the first murder

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

...at the expense of moral and racial dignity and the respect of other people who live in this world right? Gotcha' ;D

Because the US is the only country that counts...and if you're not from the US and not white and do not like to blow things up then, I guess your SOL.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Quixfire

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

...at the expense of moral and racial dignity and the respect of other people who live in this world right? Gotcha' ;D

Because the US is the only country that counts...and if you're not from the US and not white and do not like to blow things up then, I guess your SOL.

Bingo, it's called capitalism. Most companies aren?t going to develop and market a product that their base customers are not going to buy. I understand the point you are making, but the simple fact is the US gamer buyer is not going to want to role play as a terrorist targeting real US military members.

 

[Rogue]

Then make your damn point. I made one, you just either can't or don't choose to see it. My point was that different countries create games with content specific to their markets. Simple as that. If a game publisher in Iraq chose to create a game that had characters, environments and culture in it that appeal to the market there, then they can go right ahead. Fighting games have almost always been popular in Japan, that's their market. The United States on the other hand has unique problems and social standards that are different from Japan. Just like there are kids slashing eachother up and killing eachother with knives in Japan, we have kids shooting eachother here. Different market, different social norms, different problems, different types of games. To go back to my original point, most Arab nations (only because you selected a game genre and topic related to them) likely do not look kindly upon video games within their society for one religious reason or another. Likewise, they probably elect NOT to spend their resources doing things like the "west" does either. Have I made a point yet?

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Then make your damn point. I made one, you just either can't or don't choose to see it. My point was that different countries create games with content specific to their markets. Simple as that. If a game publisher in Iraq chose to create a game that had characters, environments and culture in it that appeal to the market there, then they can go right ahead. Fighting games have almost always been popular in Japan, that's their market. The United States on the other hand has unique problems and social standards that are different from Japan. Just like there are kids slashing eachother up and killing eachother with knives in Japan, we have kids shooting eachother here. Different market, different social norms, different problems, different types of games. To go back to my original point, most Arab nations (only because you selected a game genre and topic related to them) likely do not look kindly upon video games within their society for one religious reason or another. Likewise, they probably elect NOT to spend their resources doing things like the "west" does either. Have I made a point yet?

Forget this thread...as stated above there's nothing illegal about making games like this...it's just a moral decision on the game makers part to put out games like this or not to...so..

 

[Rogue]

Which was my point all along.

 

[amoeba]

Grand Theft Auto - Fallujah?

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Quixfire

3. I'm trying to make a point for you and I'm lazy so... (you can continue here)

What point? The point that the majority of game buyers are white males that like to shoot and blow thing up?

...at the expense of moral and racial dignity and the respect of other people who live in this world right? Gotcha' ;D

Because the US is the only country that counts...and if you're not from the US and not white and do not like to blow things up then, I guess your SOL.

The point is simple. Anyone is free to make any game they choose and market it to a specific market. There are many many video games released in Japan that never come to the US. Why? Because they don't think they will sell here. Because they might be too "weird" for Americans, or we might not understand them.

Yes, we make games about WW2, Desert Storm, Vietnam, etc. Does that mean they aren't free to make games about us too? Nope. They can if they want. It wouldn't offend me at all to have a Japaneese game mimicing Pearl Harbor. It's not in good taste (to us) and it would piss people off, but they are free to do it.

Lastly:

Video games do not create your personality. People who like violence inherently buy violent games. People who like hunting buy Deer Hunter. It's simple. Although I would never claim that video games have no potential affect on kids, they aren't the ONLY cause either, and they don't ALWAYS affect them.

 

[imported_DocHolliday]

Originally posted by: amoeba
Grand Theft Auto - Fallujah?

At least then it would make sense for there to be rocket launchers and ak47s lying on the ground for me to pick up...