I really had to bite my tongue

[highland145]

This thread is not actually about gun rights or the second amendment

Sure it is.

Are they really that concerned about the government getting out of control?

You still need a gun permit

If the owner was threatened for not reveling who his customers are will he cave and give names?

Hard to say those without it being about rights or the 2A but

They were speaking about people should buy guns now while they're still not tracked. I don't want this to be a gun control discussion. I can't understand what they were thinking.

Already answered. Almost everything is tracked so the OPs friends aren't thinking it through or don't realize how much data is collected on everyone.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I ran into an old acquaintance last night who told me he's building a spaceship. He was dead serious. This guy is well-educated, has a good job and a wife and a nice home.

And someone asks whether or not people really believe the government may get out of control. Yes. And there are millions of such people.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I ran into an old acquaintance last night who told me he's building a spaceship. He was dead serious. This guy is well-educated, has a good job and a wife and a nice home.

And someone asks whether or not people really believe the government may get out of control. Yes. And there are millions of such people.

These 7th graders send hello kitty into space in their space ship... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/hello-kitty-in-space_n_2602386.html

If he can get backers a space worthy ship can be had for 25 million.

Did you hear him out, or just assume that he's crazy?

 

[Carson Dyle]

And for some real government paranoia...

I live in a town with approximately 10,000 marijuana growers (only a slight exaggeration). Personally, I probably know 30 or so people who grow weed illegally. I've never met a larger group of people who distrust the government.

Two guys that I've known for probably ten years or so, one in his late 40s, the other in his mid 30s have never had:

- a driver's license
- a bank account
- a credit card
- a job paying social security or income taxes

The closest things to jobs either of them have had are under-the-table bartending, construction and landscaping gigs, all paying cash. They like to say they live off the grid. They don't mean the electrical grid.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I ran into an old acquaintance last night who told me he's building a spaceship. He was dead serious. This guy is well-educated, has a good job and a wife and a nice home.

And someone asks whether or not people really believe the government may get out of control. Yes. And there are millions of such people.

Has your friend watched Salvage 1?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvage_1
I loved it.....when I was a kid....
Again I understand hobbies'. I don't understand how an educated person can make decisions like this. Where does he plan to:
Get the fuel
Store the fuel
How will he launch it
What about fire suppression
What is toxic
What about his neighbors
The list of questions is endless
Maybe your friend is a modern day Tesla when does genius become insanity

 

[OGOC]

Depends on the type of gun & state. Even in ridiculous NY, you don't need a permit to purchase long guns. You do, however, have to pass a background check. I presume that due to the background check, a record is kept of what gun you purchased.

I'm not sure about fringe, anti-American states like the ones that ban large sodas and pass 7-round magazine limits even though most guns don't have magazines that small so all the criminals who want to kill you are on the honor system when they load their stolen guns, but, most of the time, a background check itself is not a record of what gun you purchased. You get the background check before you purchase the gun. And maybe you get the background check but then changed your mind on purchasing anything.

But, gun dealers are required to keep a log book of sales, so the government could track the background check and then manually go to the store and check the log book to maybe put 2 and 2 together. That is gun registration in a way, even though gun registration is illegal. And then some people wonder why other people don't trust their government.

I think the Constitution was a great accomplishment in forward thinking, however the reality of when it was written vs the reality of now leaves just too much open to bias interpretation and abuse.

The Constitution doesn't grant rights anyway. The 2nd Amendment doesn't grant the right to bear arms. Those rights are inherent with being a free man.

Frankly we need a new constitution we can use similar ideals and values as it applies to the modern world.

The modern world has governments that have murdered 100 million of their own citizens, after first disarming them.

Are they really that concerned about the government getting out of control?

Consider this, only a few years ago a president could not get a wire tap without a judge. Now he can kill you.

 

[ssm0002]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Yep, our fellow citizens will not fire on you...lol.