I present to you the 2013 POTUS.

[QuantumPion]

This is the kind of leadership we need. A brilliant military historian whom is unapologetic about telling the truth. And he's a free-market libertarian to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

He's running for congress in Florida.

 

[Greenman]

I like him.

 

[Danube]

Good man and a tea party fav - from 2003:

TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) -- The commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division on Friday accepted a U.S. military investigator's recommendation and ordered administrative action against Lt. Col. Allen West, who was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee...

Following a military hearing, West was fined $5,000 over two months, according to West's civillian attorney, Neal Puck

The case stems from an incident August 20 at a military base in Taji, just north of Baghdad, when West was interrogating an Iraqi policeman, who was believed to have information about a plot to assassinate West with an ambush on a U.S. convoy...

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel.

Apparently not knowing where West's gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West's convoy, thwarting the attack.

West said there were no further ambushes on U.S. forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.

"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified to a military courtroom of observers and some teary-eyed troops formerly under his command.

Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/

 

[jackschmittusa]

So, in essence, he said we are in a religious war?

 

[PJABBER]

Good man, indeed.

The successful prosecution of war requires a clarity as to who the enemy is, their motivations, the methodology they are willing and capable of employing and a determination to accept nothing short of victory over that enemy.

I don't doubt the military, serving or retired, are well aware of the enemy they face, why they face them and what must be done to successfully wage war. It is the politicians that I have grave doubts about.

West is not much different than any competent combat commander, except that he has taken those skills and attitudes into the political arena, where he absolutely stands out.

 

[Lemon law]

West Sounds like a war mongering idiot to me, and no I don't like him and he can only make problems worse.

 

[MotF Bane]

West Sounds like a war mongering idiot to me, and no I don't like him and he can only make problems worse.

Everyone sounds like a war monger to you, Chamberlain.

 

[bamacre]

He sounds like a social conservative to me. Yes, I needed to see more than a 3 minute response to a question to form some kind of opinion. From his website, seems he has a problem with sending $900 million to Hamas, but not $3 billion a year to Israel. He appears to be another "limited government" Republican who accepts "big government" in areas where he approves.

 

[QuantumPion]

Good man and a tea party fav - from 2003:

TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) -- The commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division on Friday accepted a U.S. military investigator's recommendation and ordered administrative action against Lt. Col. Allen West, who was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee...

Following a military hearing, West was fined $5,000 over two months, according to West's civillian attorney, Neal Puck

The case stems from an incident August 20 at a military base in Taji, just north of Baghdad, when West was interrogating an Iraqi policeman, who was believed to have information about a plot to assassinate West with an ambush on a U.S. convoy...

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel.

Apparently not knowing where West's gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West's convoy, thwarting the attack.

West said there were no further ambushes on U.S. forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.

"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified to a military courtroom of observers and some teary-eyed troops formerly under his command.

Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/

Oh yeah I remember that incident! I didn't realize that this was the same guy! He scores even more points in my book for that. :awe:

 

[QuantumPion]

He sounds like a social conservative to me. Yes, I needed to see more than a 3 minute response to a question to form some kind of opinion. From his website, seems he has a problem with sending $900 million to Hamas, but not $3 billion a year to Israel. He appears to be another "limited government" Republican who accepts "big government" in areas where he approves.

So not only do you try to paint a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel, but then you try to say military aid to our allies is the same as big government welfare state spending? That's not a straw man, that's a straw tyrannosaurus rex.

 

[CitizenKain]

So not only do you try to paint a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel, but then you try to say military aid to our allies is the same as big government welfare state spending? That's not a straw man, that's a straw tyrannosaurus rex.

The only difference is money spent on Israel has a better return on Dead Foreigners per Dollar.

 

[Narmer]

Good man and a tea party fav - from 2003:

TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) -- The commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division on Friday accepted a U.S. military investigator's recommendation and ordered administrative action against Lt. Col. Allen West, who was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee...

Following a military hearing, West was fined $5,000 over two months, according to West's civillian attorney, Neal Puck

The case stems from an incident August 20 at a military base in Taji, just north of Baghdad, when West was interrogating an Iraqi policeman, who was believed to have information about a plot to assassinate West with an ambush on a U.S. convoy...

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors say West followed up on that threat by taking the suspect outside, put him on the ground near a weapons clearing barrel and fired his 9 mm pistol into the barrel.

Apparently not knowing where West's gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West's convoy, thwarting the attack.

West said there were no further ambushes on U.S. forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post on October 4.

"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified to a military courtroom of observers and some teary-eyed troops formerly under his command.

Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/

wow. It's a shame that things have to come to this.

 

[Narmer]

The way he says it makes it easier to understand what the Israelis are going through.

 

[bamacre]

So not only do you try to paint a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel, but then you try to say military aid to our allies is the same as big government welfare state spending? That's not a straw man, that's a straw tyrannosaurus rex.

The only straw man here is your first sentence.

There's nothing conservative, nothing "small government" about Neoconservatism, nor social conservatism.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Great! Just what we need another ex military GOP chickenhawk
Those types have worked out SOOOO well for us in the past

 

[Red Dawn]

I present to you the 2013 POTUS.

Um yeah, I really doubt it.

 

[Narmer]

Great! Just what we need another ex military GOP chickenhawk
Those types have worked out SOOOO well for us in the past

Chickenhawk? He served in the Armed Forces for decades.

 

[nick1985]

ex military GOP chickenhawk

Irony? lol

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't want another pro-war President! Please. Don't promote this Zionist asshole anymore.

 

[Narmer]

I don't want another pro-war President! Please. Don't promote this Zionist asshole anymore.

All politics is local. There's a lot of old Jews in Florida and seniors vote.

 

[zsdersw]

If his neoconservatism comes with a big dollop of social conservatism, he's never getting my vote.

 

[QuantumPion]

The only straw man here is your first sentence.

There's nothing conservative, nothing "small government" about Neoconservatism, nor social conservatism.

Defense and foreign policy decisions have little to do do with political parties directly, ever since the U.S. became the democratic world's sole guardian. Kenndy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton all supported foreign military actions and aid. We can disagree about the merit of the position of America as the world's only superpower but that is a different topic of discussion.

 

[MotF Bane]

It'd be nice to have speakers at work.

 

[Danube]

I don't want another pro-war President! Please. Don't promote this Zionist asshole anymore.

I doubt Mr West takes war lightly. Reagan was made out to be a potential war monger too. Democrats and liberal Reps (Bush) are the chess board warriors.

 

[BoberFett]

Defense and foreign policy decisions have little to do do with political parties directly

You're correct, both main parties are war mongers when it suits them.

How about if we, gasp, use the military for national defense instead of attempting to police the world and force our views on everyone?