I noticed an odd correlation

myusername

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Based on some recent threads, it seems to me that the personalities advocating castration/execution of sex offenders (the emphasis in those threads being child-sex offenders) are the same ones or types that think it's okay to chase kids into traffic.

Now I understand that logic doesn't necessarily require that one dictates the other, but quite frankly, I don't see how in one instance, someone can claim that minors are intelligent, aware, culpable, and should be victimizable..

.. whereas in the other circumstance they feel that minors are vulnerable, naive, and should be protected.

The flaw in this duality would arise, of course, if they believe that sex-offenders should be castrated/executed not because they believe it is protecting "worthy" victims, but simply due to instinctual biases.

Now, on to the poll.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that the crime is statutory, and that the victim in this case is 12 years old. We will assume that the act is "consensual" (not withstanding obvious concerns) and that the state is pressing charges because the 12 year old does not wish to.

Likewise, let us consider another 12 year old. This 12 year old has been shooting bottle rockets at cars. An occupant of a targeted vehicle has taken offense at this, and, in attempting to chase down the boy to administer a physical beating (on foot), he has chased the 12 year old smack into a passing car, resulting in rather terminal results. It would be safe to assume that the action was "non-consensual"

original offender thread
original bottle rocket thread
 

So

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I just plain don't like children. :evil:

Honestly though, your correlation is retarted.

In one case, the people are advocating protection of the victim (child) and punishment for the criminal
In the second, they are advocating the punishment of the criminal (child) and protection for the victim.

They see the rocket kids as having comitted a crime, and don't see their suffering as anything more than justice, whereas the sexually accosted kids are undeserving of the suffering.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: So
I just plain don't like children. :evil:

Yet you're still an active member here. Hmm. Interesting.


Summer will pass and you'll have to go back to school. :cool:
 

Pciber

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It is NOT okay to chase a 12 year old into traffic, but it IS okay to have sex with them

i seem to be in the minority here.
 

DaveSimmons

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The kid ran into traffic, he was not intentionally chased into it.

As So noted:
"In the second, they are advocating the punishment of the criminal (child) and protection for the victim. "

A child who intentionally and willfully endangers the lives of others loses some of his right to protection (and most of his right to sympathy) in my view.

You apparently think people are being hypocritical but in both cases they are approving of the punishment of criminials and the protection of victims.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: So
I just plain don't like children. :evil:

Honestly though, your correlation is retarted.

In one case, the people are advocating protection of the victim (child) and punishment for the criminal
In the second, they are advocating the punishment of the criminal (child) and protection for the victim.

They see the rocket kids as having comitted a crime, and don't see their suffering as anything more than justice, whereas the sexually accosted kids are undeserving of the suffering.
The only thing I read was "retarted".
 

Nitemare

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It is OK to chase a kid out into traffic if he is shooting bottle rockets at your car.

It is only OK to have sex w/ 12 y/o if it involves a 12 y/o boy and any age member of the opposite sex.
 

myusername

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The kid ran into traffic, he was not intentionally chased into it.

As So noted:
"In the second, they are advocating the punishment of the criminal (child) and protection for the victim. "

A child who intentionally and willfully endangers the lives of others loses some of his right to protection (and most of his right to sympathy) in my view.

You apparently think people are being hypocritical but in both cases they are approving of the punishment of criminials and the protection of victims.

Hmm. I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I'm not sure where it's leading. Would it be acceptable to molest a 12 year old who fired a bottle rocket at your car?

Who is then the victim? Or is it irrelevant who the victim is, but rather the need to enforce punishment is a mindset grounded in issues of control and manicheanism, rather than of justice, goodness, or rightness?
 

eLiu

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if the 12yr old was firing bottlerockets at cars, s/he deserves to get hit by a car.

I think sex with a 12yr old is a bit of 'robbing from the cradle,' but that's just me. If you wanna bone a 12yr old, be my guest...I dont think it's intrinsically wrong.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: So
I just plain don't like children. :evil:

Honestly though, your correlation is retarted.

In one case, the people are advocating protection of the victim (child) and punishment for the criminal
In the second, they are advocating the punishment of the criminal (child) and protection for the victim.

They see the rocket kids as having comitted a crime, and don't see their suffering as anything more than justice, whereas the sexually accosted kids are undeserving of the suffering.
The only thing I read was "retarted".

Woo. So I make a spelling error and my entire post is discarded. Way to prove your intelligence.
 

DaveSimmons

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Taking a different tack, we assume that when an adult and child are in a relationship (sexual or not) that it is unbalanced, that the adult has dominance, control, influence over the child, and because of this the child can't consent freely.

In the absence of adult control, we assume that children posess self-awareness and are capable of acting responsibly if they choose to. In other words they are capable of freely consenting to commit a criminal act.

Given these assumptions, there is no contradiction in claiming 12-year-olds can be innocent victims when influenced by an adult, yet guilty criminals when acting on their own without adult influence.
 

myusername

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I don't think I agree with that 100%, but that was a remarkably clear insight. Well said :thumbsup: