I never want to see another ethernet cable. Ever again.

[EyeMWing]

Turning 3000ft of CAT6 manually into 50ft patch cables... sucks. Badly.

I can't feel with my thumbs anymore. My eyes hurt from focusing so close all the time. I can't get "whiteorangeorangewhitegreenbluewhitebluegreenwhitebrownbrown" out of my head. It's BAD.

 

[z0mb13]

lol on an internship?

 

[BigJ]

Making 60 cables is not that bad at all.

 

[jonessoda]

Does it even matter what order you put the wires in so long as you do it exactly the same on both sides?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
lol on an internship?

For a LAN party next month. And then if our reservations exceed a certain level, I have to order 3000ft more of this crap, and do it again.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Just do one per day and take 60 days to do it

 

[Snoogums Boogums]

A+ thread will read again

 

[Minerva]

Just be glad you're not whipped with those. RJ45's hurt badly. -M

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Does it even matter what order you put the wires in so long as you do it exactly the same on both sides?

Yes. the order matters very much.

EyeMWing..

patch cables are ridiculously cheap. like 2-3 bucks a piece. And they'd perform better too.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Does it even matter what order you put the wires in so long as you do it exactly the same on both sides?

Yes. the order matters very much.

EyeMWing..

patch cables are ridiculously cheap. like 2-3 bucks a piece. And they'd perform better too.

Where are you going to find 50' Cat6 cables for 2-3 bucks a pop?

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Does it even matter what order you put the wires in so long as you do it exactly the same on both sides?

to a point, it does because of crosstalk issues on the split pair. But the actual coloration doesn't matter - but the thought is that if you ever end up with a busted connector on one end (which is something we definitely expect to happen), you'll want to be able to crimp on a new one without having to look at the other

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Does it even matter what order you put the wires in so long as you do it exactly the same on both sides?

Yes. the order matters very much.

EyeMWing..

patch cables are ridiculously cheap. like 2-3 bucks a piece. And they'd perform better too.

Where are you going to find 50' Cat6 cables for 2-3 bucks a pop?

That aren't going to be torn to little bits if they get rolled across by a chair. The best price we could find was $6/cable - or $300/50. Cable + connectors cost us WAY less than that.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: spidey07
And they'd perform better too.

Proof, plz? I'm not one of those clowns who untwists 4" of wire. Every once in awhile, i'll run into the issue where there's too much jacket left on the cable to get it into the damned connector.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: spidey07
And they'd perform better too.

Proof, plz? I'm not one of those clowns who untwists 4" of wire. Every once in awhile, i'll run into the issue where there's too much jacket left on the cable to get it into the damned connector.

take a well made patch cable and scan it.

take yours and scan it and compare.

without being able to certify the cable you don't really know what the performance is. Plus 50 foot patch cables are technically out of spec.

I'll get off my soapbox now. But making patch cables is never a good idea.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: spidey07
And they'd perform better too.

Proof, plz? I'm not one of those clowns who untwists 4" of wire. Every once in awhile, i'll run into the issue where there's too much jacket left on the cable to get it into the damned connector.

take a well made patch cable and scan it.

take yours and scan it and compare.

without being able to certify the cable you don't really know what the performance is. Plus 50 foot patch cables are technically out of spec.

I'll get off my soapbox now. But making patch cables is never a good idea.

I'm not sure what spec you read, but the spec for ethernet-over-UTP at 10/100/1000mbit speeds is 150m - and the connector on the end doesn't matter as far as the length goes, and all "patch cable" tells you is that you have a straight-through male RJ45-male RJ45.

And what, precisely, do you mean by scan? Packet loss tests? The worst-made CAT5 installations on earth seem to pass those tests with flying colors, except in very odd situations.

 

[JDrake]

Good luck with that :thumbsup:
Hope you have fun at your LAN

 

[thirdlegstump]

IMHO it's cheaper to just to buy them. Put in the cost of time, labor and the potential of them breaking sooner without warranty and there ya go.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Nice LAN party.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
IMHO it's cheaper to just to buy them. Put in the cost of time, labor and the potential of them breaking sooner without warranty and there ya go.

a cable... breaking... without warranty?

Two things could lead to that... The end getting fvcked up, in which case, you spend 33 cents on a connector, as opposed to $1.50 mailing it in to be replaced, or someone rolling over it with a chair. Which isn't covered under any warranty on earth.

or you could put 120vAC through it... which would also void the warranty.

Some of you guys are SO management material.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Turning 3000ft of CAT6 manually into 50ft patch cables... sucks. Badly.

I can't feel with my thumbs anymore. My eyes hurt from focusing so close all the time. I can't get "whiteorangeorangewhitegreenbluewhitebluegreenwhitebrownbrown" out of my head. It's BAD.

And I thought I had it bad just learning it in CISCO class years ago. I never even wanted to hear that word again.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I'm not sure what spec you read, but the spec for ethernet-over-UTP at 10/100/1000mbit speeds is 150m - and the connector on the end doesn't matter as far as the length goes, and all "patch cable" tells you is that you have a straight-through male RJ45-male RJ45.

And what, precisely, do you mean by scan? Packet loss tests? The worst-made CAT5 installations on earth seem to pass those tests with flying colors, except in very odd situations.

I'm referring to EIA/TIA 568 specifications which calls for no more than 5 meters of patch cable on each end (90 meters of horizontal cable, 5 meters of patch on each end for no more than 100 meters)

By scan I mean running a cable certification on the channel and link. this measures all aspects of the cable (NEXT, FEXT, return loss, attentuation, etc). It "scans" the cable by measuring all these parameters while running through the frequency range from 1 to 250/350 Mhz. You may find that all of your cables using category 6 equipment might not even pass category 5 parameters.

The number 1 cause of network performance problems is the cable - like 90%. I just don't like mucking with the physical layer.

If you're going to be working with cabling much you might want to pick up a cat6 scanner. Fluke makes a good one...runs about 4 grand I think. But they are worth their weight in gold. It's almost a required tool to for a network.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Turning 3000ft of CAT6 manually into 50ft patch cables... sucks. Badly.

I can't feel with my thumbs anymore. My eyes hurt from focusing so close all the time. I can't get "whiteorangeorangewhitegreenbluewhitebluegreenwhitebrownbrown" out of my head. It's BAD.

Not as bad as not running a continuity check on the cables after you end them!

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I'm not sure what spec you read, but the spec for ethernet-over-UTP at 10/100/1000mbit speeds is 150m - and the connector on the end doesn't matter as far as the length goes, and all "patch cable" tells you is that you have a straight-through male RJ45-male RJ45.

And what, precisely, do you mean by scan? Packet loss tests? The worst-made CAT5 installations on earth seem to pass those tests with flying colors, except in very odd situations.

I'm referring to EIA/TIA 568 specifications which calls for no more than 5 meters of patch cable on each end (90 meters of horizontal cable, 5 meters of patch on each end for no more than 100 meters)

By scan I mean running a cable certification on the channel and link. this measures all aspects of the cable (NEXT, FEXT, return loss, attentuation, etc). It "scans" the cable by measuring all these parameters while running through the frequency range from 1 to 250/350 Mhz. You may find that all of your cables using category 6 equipment might not even pass category 5 parameters.

The number 1 cause of network performance problems is the cable - like 90%. I just don't like mucking with the physical layer.

If you're going to be working with cabling much you might want to pick up a cat6 scanner. Fluke makes a good one...runs about 4 grand I think. But they are worth their weight in gold. It's almost a required tool to for a network.

Spidey is right. Hand made cables really have no place in enterprise class deployments.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Turning 3000ft of CAT6 manually into 50ft patch cables... sucks. Badly.

I can't feel with my thumbs anymore. My eyes hurt from focusing so close all the time. I can't get "whiteorangeorangewhitegreenbluewhitebluegreenwhitebrownbrown" out of my head. It's BAD.

Not as bad as not running a continuity check on the cables after you end them!

Fortunately, I'm some sort of connectorizing god and I've only f'd up twice so far (and one of those was because I put the damn connector on upside down)

 

[imported_Mike]

When you're done there, ive got 11k feet over here you can start on.