I never knew aero was such a vram and performance hog on games

[tential]

It uses something different than Windows 7. It apparently is worse on VRAM than Windows 7 since I researched it just now after reading this. Not sure how to disable it and no one seems to no how. I guess I should have taken the hint when I rarely saw gamers using Windows 8 for gaming haha.

 

[jackstar7]

For a quick easy way to toggle Aero on and off (turning it off in themes takes way longer than it should), put this script into a .bat file and run it before you enter a game you need every bit of resources. I also put it into an extended toolbar on the taskbar with a few other scripts.

@echo off
sc interrogate uxsms | find "1062"
if %errorlevel%==0 goto :sc_start
sc stop uxsms
exit

:sc_start
sc start uxsms
exit

Do you have a companion script the turns it back on?

 

[futurefields]

gta4 was coded by evil monkeys

 

[bystander36]

Do you have a companion script the turns it back on?

It toggles on and off. Just run the script again.

Basically it tries to run a command through Aero, if there is an error, it jumps to the end of the script and starts Aero. If there is no error, it continues, stops Aero and exists.

 

[Lepton87]

EDIT 2: so bottom line is it was all vram related in GTA 4 even though I was not even using within 100mb of my available vram with aero on. so dont expect performance increase if you have plenty of vram. if you are anywhere close to borderline with vram though then turning off aero will help in a vram hungry game like GTA 4 though

And you argued that you get the full benefit of a 2GB card on a 192bit bus. Clearly there was a reason it wasn't done before. Yes, that additional 512MB are useful but it's not as if you had the same memory capacity and bandwidth on a 256 bit bus. You just found a corner case where what I said holds true yourself.

 

[toyota]

And you argued that you get the full benefit of a 2GB card on a 192bit bus. Clearly there was a reason it wasn't done before. Yes, that additional 512MB are useful but it's not as if you had the same memory capacity and bandwidth on a 256 bit bus. You just found a corner case where what I said holds true yourself.

lol what are you rambling about? in another thread I said there was no performance hit or drop off when exceeding 768mb on a 1gb 192-bit gtx560se so of course the same exact thing applies when going past 1.5gb on a 192-bit gtx660ti. none of that has anything to do with this thread.

 

[Lepton87]

lol what are you rambling about? in another thread I said there was no performance hit or drop off when exceeding 768mb on a 1gb 192-bit gtx560se so of course the same exact thing applies when going past 1.5gb on a 192-bit gtx660ti. none of that has anything to do with this thread.

You said otherwise

I was not even using within 100mb of my available vram with aero on

Clearly you don't know what you write.

ps. Even if people disagree about something they can talk in a civilized manner, clearly you're unable to do that.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Have you tried testing other games besides GTA4?

 

[toyota]

You said otherwise


Clearly you don't know what you write.

what does that have to do with what I said about the 192 bit cards in another thread? all I showed here was that even if you are not maxing out vram that it can be helpful in GTA 4. and GTA4 was the ONLY game that was true for though. I tried other games and put it near my max vram on the 570 and aero or not made no difference.

so AGAIN this thread has nothing to do with my gtx560 se scaling just fine past 768mb in games that needed it. same applies to gtx660ti. find one bit of actual proof to back up your claim as I will be waiting to see it.

Have you tried testing other games besides GTA4?

yes and only GTA 4 benefited from turning off aero.

 

[Lepton87]

what does that have to do with what i said about the 192 bit cards in another thread? all that showed was that even if you are not maxing out vram that it can be helpful. GTA 4 was the ONLY game that was true for though. i tried other games and put it near my max vram on the 570 and aero or not made no difference.

so AGAIN that had nothing to do with my gtx560 se scling just fine past 768mb in games that needed it. same applies to gtx660ti. find one bit of actual proof to back up your claim as I will be waiting.


yes and only GTA 4 benefited from turning off aero.

You just found a corner case

You know what a corner case means, don't you? It means it's an outlier not the norm.

 

[Maximilian]

You don't have to disable Aero all the time - right-click on the application shortcut, properties > compatibility: 'disable desktop composition'. You can disable visual themes as well, it might help.

Normally a modern game disables Aero automatically when it starts, I thought, though admittedly when I've alt-tabbed out of Starcraft 2 lately, there doesn't seem to be a delay in redrawing the desktop UI Aero-style.

Isnt it the OS that does it? It detects a full screen app and disables aero and the game/app dosent have to do anything?

Makes me wonder wht GTA IV saw an improvement, its a crappy port but aero should still be disabled automatically. Unless they maybe half assed the full screen mode or used a full screen window instead... i dunno.

 

[Barfo]

wtf? how can you be running out of vram with a 2GB card in such an old game? I know GTA4 is one of the worst ports ever but this is ridiculous.

 

[sLAMAZAUR]

gta4 was coded by evil monkeys

^

noticed no performance difference whether gaming with aero on/off, GTX 660

 

[Silverforce11]

GTAIV is known to be a vram hog, it uses it for LOD loading and pre-loading distant objects etc so it uses as much vram as you have (up to 2.25gb from what I read, but it was a LONG time ago since I read it)..

 

[frozentundra123456]

I have no grounds to dispute what the posters have said here, but I have tried a program called "game booster" which turns off aero and even some other background processes. Surprisingly, I was not able to see any change at all in the framerate in the games I tested. I dont remember the specific games though, as it was a few years back. This was on a rather low end system as well.

 

[alcoholbob]

Grammar king.

 

[toyota]

wtf? how can you be running out of vram with a 2GB card in such an old game? I know GTA4 is one of the worst ports ever but this is ridiculous.

who is running out of vram with a 2gb card?

 

[imaheadcase]

I've never had a game not disable Aero. It should have zero impact.

 

[toyota]

I've never had a game not disable Aero. It should have zero impact.

its a FACT that games dont always disable aero and that's why people have always suggested to use “disable desktop composition” in the compatibility tab.

 

[Barfo]

who is running out of vram with a 2gb card?

I just realized this thread is old and you might have not been using the card in your signature

 

[toyota]

I just realized this thread is old and you might have not been using the card in your signature

lol yeah it was the gtx570. that shimsham guy posted a stupid comment here for no reason bringing the thread back to life.

 

[bononos]

It uses something different than Windows 7. It apparently is worse on VRAM than Windows 7 since I researched it just now after reading this. Not sure how to disable it and no one seems to no how. I guess I should have taken the hint when I rarely saw gamers using Windows 8 for gaming haha.

From what I can gather, win8 doesn't use the gpu + directx and render the whole desktop in 3d for aero mode anymore but uses the old style cpu rendering instead.
http://www.eightforums.com/general-...riment-can-you-turn-off-aero-windows-8-a.html

For win7 users, maybe turning off the more resource intensive aero options under the performance tab would help. (Rightclick-computer-properties-adv system settings)

 

[Janek1]

hmm forgot what to say :whiste: