I need to vent.

irishScott

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And got the usual contradictory recommendations of what I should do tonight when I simply mentioned going out with a few friends (I'm in college). Not even the point of the initial conversation. I could hear them arguing in the background. This has been going on for the last 2 fvcking years.

Background: My dad is an insecure control freak workaholic that draws a nice salary. My mom has been a stay at home mom for my sister and I for the last 20 years or so. At this point, she planned to be back and working, but 2 years ago her cancer became more aggressive, and while it's not going to directly kill her any time soon, it leaves her in chronic severe pain 24/7 (as in she doubles over and cries several times a day). Multiple treatments have been tried, none have succeeded in doing more than temporarily dampening the pain. You would probably die if you took the dosage of these painr relievers she takes in 1 day. Her cancer is very rare, and she's looking into experimental studies for it.

The main effect of this has been that she used to be able to compensate for my dad's insecurity, but now is too weak to do so. Also, my dad blames her for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that goes wrong with the family that he hasn't directly caused. If I get a bad grade, she gets blamed for raising me wrong. Same story if I simply challenge his arguments for what I should/shouldn't do. He's also got this lovely denial cycle going where he lies to himself. (He will tell my mom to "shut up" when she's crying in pain, but when confronted will say he asked her "nicely to be quiet"). He's openly called my mom a b!tch to her face and denied it late. I've been tempted to bug my house and make him listen.

Even on Christmas Eve, the whole family was arguing. I had to play the moderator to corroborate everybody's statements (my family misinterprets what each other says, so I, who apparently have the unique ability to understand what they are saying, have to "translate"). I exploded at them several times, and they didn't even give me lip service. I am the only one who listens and tries to change based on what they tell ne.

I guess the most frustrating part of this sh!t is that it could all be solved by stuff they teach 3 year olds on Barny and Sesame Street!!! Just listen to others, be nice and accepting, and keep an open mind. But nooooooooooo, if something isn't done their way,
it's wrong and you will get sh!t over it until you prove otherwise irrefutably. My mom won't even support her own statements. She will tell me not to do something, but won't tell me WHY I shouldn't do it passed "because I said so". When I confront her with this she calls me ungrateful for her bringing me into the world and other stupid irrelevant sh!t.

My sister is just as insecure as my dad, although she has good intentions, she pushes everybody's buttons and can't stop herself. She has insecurity issues dating from when my dad verbally abused her in middle school (the same sh!t he's doing to my mother).

The worst fact of this is that it happens EVERY FVCKING DAY!!! I've woken up 2 hours before my alarms gone off (8 am) to my parents arguing.

Over winter vacation things almost got physical. My dad's parents were physically abusive to each other, so he has this deep set phobia of physical violence, but my mom grabbed my sister once (and stuck her nails in) and if she hadn't let go a second later I would've had to physically break them up.

I'm the only one who seems to be on fairly good terms with everyone. If they have a problem, they come to me.

So I've taken an isolationist posture. If I let myself care too much about any of them, I'll start taking sides. I have to be rational about this. I may blow up once every 2 months (one time I was so far gone I was speaking gibberish when I thought I was speaking perfectly) but it'll be worth it. Unfortunately I now care about nothing. Even the scientific interests I once had die in the face of this sh!t. I've also become less emotional than I used to be, and this has had a negative effect on my social life outside of the uber-academic circles.

Being in college helps, but every time I get a phone call from home I hear this I just get reminded of what sh!t it is. I've lost all respect for my dad, and most of what I had for my mom, except for the respect that she hasn't asked to be killed yet (although I did have to go on suicide watch for her once).

I'm sorry for venting this here. The last thing I should do is let my problems have a negative effect on persons uninvolved. Still, it's been about 2 months and unless I get this sh!t out of my brain I'll be thinking about it in some form or another for the next month.

I bet most of you don't know what's it's like to hear your mother crying and screaming in pain, or being verbally abused by your father, or both at once, and not being able to do anything about it without repercussions even more severe.

Trust me, guys, don't be like my dad. Don't put this on your family. The one thing this FUBARed sh!t has shown me is what not to do. I will, and already am, a better man than my father ever was in many ways, and I'm working on the few where I'm inferior (mainly my work ethic).

Once again, sorry if I got anybody down. Just a vent. No attention required or asked for.


No cliffs here. It's a vent. If you want to read it, read it all.
 

animalia

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I read all of it. Glad to know you have learned not to be like your father. I grew up without a dad and havent seen him since I was 10. He is remarried now, and has married the Egyptian woman his mom always wanted him to marry (my mom is Irish-American). I had to have my mom call his work to get his new address and phone number and he would expect and tell me to keep in touch when we talked on the phone. I just gave up tracking him down and trying to be nice to someone who won't even be courteous to you. He was very good with sending child support I must admit though. I have two little half-brothers that are like 2 years old now I guess, havent seen them yet and probably never will. I am thinking of changing my name to my mothers maiden name. Good luck with your family man.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: irishScott
And got the usual contradictory recommendations of what I should do tonight when I simply mentioned going out with a few friends (I'm in college). Not even the point of the initial conversation. I could hear them arguing in the background. This has been going on for the last 2 fvcking years.

Background: My dad is an insecure control freak workaholic that draws a nice salary. My mom has been a stay at home mom for my sister and I for the last 20 years or so. At this point, she planned to be back and working, but 2 years ago her cancer became more aggressive, and while it's not going to directly kill her any time soon, it leaves her in chronic severe pain 24/7 (as in she doubles over and cries several times a day). Multiple treatments have been tried, none have succeeded in doing more than temporarily dampening the pain. You would probably die if you took the dosage of these painr relievers she takes in 1 day. Her cancer is very rare, and she's looking into experimental studies for it.

The main effect of this has been that she used to be able to compensate for my dad's insecurity, but now is too weak to do so. Also, my dad blames her for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that goes wrong with the family that he hasn't directly caused. If I get a bad grade, she gets blamed for raising me wrong. Same story if I simply challenge his arguments for what I should/shouldn't do. He's also got this lovely denial cycle going where he lies to himself. (He will tell my mom to "shut up" when she's crying in pain, but when confronted will say he asked her "nicely to be quiet"). He's openly called my mom a b!tch to her face and denied it late. I've been tempted to bug my house and make him listen.

Even on Christmas Eve, the whole family was arguing. I had to play the moderator to corroborate everybody's statements (my family misinterprets what each other says, so I, who apparently have the unique ability to understand what they are saying, have to "translate"). I exploded at them several times, and they didn't even give me lip service. I am the only one who listens and tries to change based on what they tell ne.

I guess the most frustrating part of this sh!t is that it could all be solved by stuff they teach 3 year olds on Barny and Sesame Street!!! Just listen to others, be nice and accepting, and keep an open mind. But nooooooooooo, if something isn't done their way,
it's wrong and you will get sh!t over it until you prove otherwise irrefutably. My mom won't even support her own statements. She will tell me not to do something, but won't tell me WHY I shouldn't do it passed "because I said so". When I confront her with this she calls me ungrateful for her bringing me into the world and other stupid irrelevant sh!t.

My sister is just as insecure as my dad, although she has good intentions, she pushes everybody's buttons and can't stop herself. She has insecurity issues dating from when my dad verbally abused her in middle school (the same sh!t he's doing to my mother).

The worst fact of this is that it happens EVERY FVCKING DAY!!! I've woken up 2 hours before my alarms gone off (8 am) to my parents arguing.

Over winter vacation things almost got physical. My dad's parents were physically abusive to each other, so he has this deep set phobia of physical violence, but my mom grabbed my sister once (and stuck her nails in) and if she hadn't let go a second later I would've had to physically break them up.

I'm the only one who seems to be on fairly good terms with everyone. If they have a problem, they come to me.

So I've taken an isolationist posture. If I let myself care too much about any of them, I'll start taking sides. I have to be rational about this. I may blow up once every 2 months (one time I was so far gone I was speaking gibberish when I thought I was speaking perfectly) but it'll be worth it. Unfortunately I now care about nothing. Even the scientific interests I once had die in the face of this sh!t. I've also become less emotional than I used to be, and this has had a negative effect on my social life outside of the uber-academic circles.

Being in college helps, but every time I get a phone call from home I hear this I just get reminded of what sh!t it is. I've lost all respect for my dad, and most of what I had for my mom, except for the respect that she hasn't asked to be killed yet (although I did have to go on suicide watch for her once).

I'm sorry for venting this here. The last thing I should do is let my problems have a negative effect on persons uninvolved. Still, it's been about 2 months and unless I get this sh!t out of my brain I'll be thinking about it in some form or another for the next month.

I bet most of you don't know what's it's like to hear your mother crying and screaming in pain, or being verbally abused by your father, or both at once, and not being able to do anything about it without repercussions even more severe.

Trust me, guys, don't be like my dad. Don't put this on your family. The one thing this FUBARed sh!t has shown me is what not to do. I will, and already am, a better man than my father ever was in many ways, and I'm working on the few where I'm inferior (mainly my work ethic).

Once again, sorry if I got anybody down. Just a vent. No attention required or asked for.


No cliffs here. It's a vent. If you want to read it, read it all.


Sounds like my family.

Sorry to hear that.
 

Rogodin2

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Find a good friend or relative to talk to-and write in your journal.

If it gets worse find a professional.

Your father may be mentally ill.

Rogo
 

aidanjm

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maybe read the book "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward, phd. She describes parents like yours, who are very damaging/ harmful to their children. With seriously 'toxic' parents, often the healthiest thing for the child to do is cut ties and move away.

you should probably seek some professional help for dealing with your family. I.e., go to the student counselling service at your university and make an appointment to see a counsellor/ psychologist.

it sounds like the healthiest thing to do would be to establish some physical and emotional distance between yourself and your parents. you could also set some boundaries, i.e., let them know you find their behavior distressing and that you won't be spending time with them if they behave in certain ways. Might sound cruel, but it's probably the healthiest thing to do (for you, probably for your parents as well).
 

2Xtreme21

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My dad likes to go on power trips and stuff has to be done his way / he's always right. If it / he's not, I get the old "well you can choose to live elsewhere" or "I'll kick your ass if you ever talk back to me again."
 

Mermaidman

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Getting caught in the middle is tough, and I'd bet that each combatant is trying to manipulate you.

Feel free to vent--costs nothing here! Take care of yourself first, then your sis. Your parents are adults and you cannot be responsible for them.
 

doze

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Dealing with family is tough expecially when you get out of the house, and sometimes keeping in limited contact with your family is better for your well being. Call once a week to say hi mom and dad I'm doing fine and I love you guys .... gotta go.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
maybe read the book "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward, phd. She describes parents like yours, who are very damaging/ harmful to their children. With seriously 'toxic' parents, often the healthiest thing for the child to do is cut ties and move away.

you should probably seek some professional help for dealing with your family. I.e., go to the student counselling service at your university and make an appointment to see a counsellor/ psychologist.

it sounds like the healthiest thing to do would be to establish some physical and emotional distance between yourself and your parents. you could also set some boundaries, i.e., let them know you find their behavior distressing and that you won't be spending time with them if they behave in certain ways. Might sound cruel, but it's probably the healthiest thing to do (for you, probably for your parents as well).

Thanks, might actually read that book. Also, everyone has agreed to counseling EXCEPT for my dad, and he's the primary source of this sh!t. He seems to think he doesn't need it (denial++).

As for the physical and emotional distance bit, I'm already doing that in part. If I wasn't I'd be on anti-depression meds right now. Still, they are my family, and the situation can be fixed, it's just going take some major change to do it (mostely on the part of my dad and sister) And while my sister is more than willing, I don't know many 50 year old guys who change readily. Let alone insecure ones that are in chronic denial.

In any case, we do care about each other in some weird retarded way. Everybody got each other an Xmas present, and Christmas day was one of the now rare days where we had no arguments, and even a few pleasant discussions. Even my mom's pain died down. Next day just reverted back to Christmas Eve.

As for the behavioristic punishment approach, I tried that. All it did was make my dad go for a long drive, my mom say she'd kill herself, and my sister retreat to her room. And all I got about it for the next week was moaning until I retracted the statement. Their arguments didn't stop either.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: doze
Dealing with family is tough expecially when you get out of the house, and sometimes keeping in limited contact with your family is better for your well being. Call once a week to say hi mom and dad I'm doing fine and I love you guys .... gotta go.

Lol, I don't call them. They call me. And half the time I make some BS excuse for not answering.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Getting caught in the middle is tough, and I'd bet that each combatant is trying to manipulate you.

Feel free to vent--costs nothing here! Take care of yourself first, then your sis. Your parents are adults and you cannot be responsible for them.

Yes, they are. They all have their points of view, I seem to be the tiebreaker.

My sister is actually 2 years older, so we look out for each other as much as possible. She had to restrain me from punching my dad once (he had come close to slapping my mother, raised hand and everything), and I tell her when she's pushing people's buttons and when to stop. Sometimes she listens. However, she's convinced that dad's never going to change, and is my mom. I have a little more faith in him, but I admit the chances are slim. :(
 

Vegitto

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Sounds exactly like my family except my mom was only a suspect of cancer and didn't actually have it. If I tried, I could get at least 1/3 of my family locked away in a mental facility, and to be honest, sometimes I wish I had the balls to do it. Before my grandfather died, our family was divided in 5 groups. On my mother's side it was my great-grandmother and her daughter, her other daughter, her husband and one of their children, and my other uncle and his family. On my dad's side it was us and his brother's family. Now, it's 3 sides: Us and his brother's family, my great-grandmother, her daughter and my other uncle, and my mom's family (grandmother, grandfather and uncle).

Damn, my family is almost as fscked up as yours. :p Good luck, man. If you need someone to talk to that knows what it's like, PM me :).
 

doze

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: doze
Dealing with family is tough expecially when you get out of the house, and sometimes keeping in limited contact with your family is better for your well being. Call once a week to say hi mom and dad I'm doing fine and I love you guys .... gotta go.

Lol, I don't call them. They call me. And half the time I make some BS excuse for not answering.

Working a lot or studying a lot are the only 2 excuses you will ever need to dodge calls from the family.