I need to talk to an expert on the liver. I have TB.

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sandorski

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ATOT can't help you until you provide proof of Medical Insurance Coverage. In the event of no coverage, a $10k Deposit is required Prior to Diagnosis. If the subsequent Treatment exceeds that amount, we will direct you to Financing to work out a Payment Plan.
 

911paramedic

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
See your physician, a positive test means you've been exposed and have antibodies, next up are 3 sputum specimens to see if you have the active infection, and a chest X ray.

You're not even positively diagnosed as having active TB.

If you are diagnosed as having active TB, you damn well better take the medication for the sake of everyone you come in contact with.

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Yup. In healthcare we get a series of two tests in a row to make sure that it was accurate. (either positive or negative) If you do test positive, it means you have been exposed to it, not that you have it. Like Pliable said, you need further tests and a chest x-ray. And, if positive, take the medicine as prescribed like Pliable said.
 

DrPizza

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From Medical & Surgical Nursing - Assessment & Management of Clinical Problems:

"The major side affect of isoniazide, rifanpin, and pyrizinamide is hepatitis."
They will want to monitor your liver functions, especially if you're over 35 years old.

It can cause elevated liver enzymes up to 3 times normal without symptoms "does not constitute an indication to stop therapy." Isoniazide is primarily metabolized by the liver and excreted by the kidneys. Pyridoxine (vitamin B6) administration during high-dose therapy as prophylactic measure, use as single prophylactic agent for active TB in individuals whose PPD converts to positive, ability to cross blood-brain barrier.

What it does is interferes with the DNA metabolism of tubercole bacillus.

Some of the side effects of isoniazide are: peripheral neuritis, hepatotoxicity, hypersensitivity (skin rash, arthralgia, fever), optic neuritis, vitamin B6 neuritis.

To paraphrase JarJar Binks, "meesa thinks youza gonna" be just fine. Just follow your doctors advice. Oh, and as mentioned above, my wife has never heard of anyone being put on treatment only for a positive conversion (your test.)

A positive reaction indicates the presence of a tuberculous infenction, but it does not show whether the infection is dormant or active, causing a clinical illness. Because the response to TB skin testing may be decreased in the immunocomporomised patient, induratino reactions less than 10mm may be considered positive.

Chest X-ray: Although the findings on chest x-ray examination are important, it is not possible to make a diagnosis of TB solely on the basis of this examination...

Bacteriologic Studies: The demonstration of tubercle baccili bacteriologically is essential (my emphasis) for establishing a diagnosis. Microscopic examination of stained sputum smears for acidfast baccili is usually the first bacteriologic evidence of the presence of tubercle bacilli...

The most accurate means of diagnosis is a culture technique (may take 6 to 8 weeks). Advantage: it can detect small quantities (as few as 10 bacteria per milliliter of specimen)

Serologic diagnosis of TB using enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) methodology to measure IgG antibody against mycobacterial antigens is a new and promising technique. DNA fingerprinting uses the polymerase chain reaction technique to identify individual strains of M. tuberculosis.



Drug therapy: In view of the growing prevalence of multidrug-resistant TB, the patient with active (my emphasis again) TB should be managed aggressively. Standard therapy has been revised because of the increase in prevalence of drug-resistant TB. Treatment of TB usually consists of a combination of at least four drugs... It has been shown that single-drug therapy can result in rapid development of resistant strains.
The five primary drugs used are isoniazid, rifampin, pyrazinamide, streptomycin, and ethambutol.

From the above, most of the time, therapy is only given for active infections. HOWEVER:
Indications for Preventive TB Therapy:
*Newly infected patient
*Person with known or suspected HIV infection and positive skin test
*Exposure of household members and other close associates to newly diagnosed patient
*Significant tuberculin skin test reactors with abnormal chest x-ray
*Significant tuberculin skin test reactors in special clinical situations (person takes corticosteroids; has diabetes mellitus, silicosis, gastrectomy, or end-stage renal disease)
*Other significant tuberculin skin test converters (>-10 mm increase within a 2 year period for those less than 35 years old; >- 15 mm increase for those greater than 35 years old; all children less than 2 years old with a >10 mm skin test.
*Other significant tuberculin skin test reactors in person less than 35 years old (persons born outside of US from high-prevalence countries; medically underserved low-income populations including high risk racial or ethnic populations, such as African-Americans, Hispanic, and Native-Americans; residents in long-term care facilities.)


edit: oh, and what they said: they'll monitor your liver enzymes to make sure you're just fine. Hell, I had a toenail injury which led to a toenail fungus getting established, which led to it spreading to most of my other toenails. I had to take some drug to get rid of it. Worked great, but they had to monitor my enzymes due to the possibility of it harming my liver. No hesitation on my part. I have a lot more information in several books, but none really spends any time going over the liver aspect. I think it's more of a concern to you than it apparently should be. Just like any standard treatment, there is that very small percentage of cases that the standard treatment is causing unacceptable other effect to. And, for these people, the therapy is changed. Some of the other therapies for active TB are considered more toxic, hence they're not the first line choice for treatment.
 

AMDMaddness

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I test positive for TB with a skin test.. at one point in my life while i was an infant in germany i was exposed to it. I however do not test positive with a blood test, a skin test is not the best test. Get the blood test before you freak out anymore.
 

uli2000

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First off, a PPD isnt read untill 48-72 hours after administration. If it still shows raised and red, the test will be repeated in another site. If you still have the same reaction, then they will do a CXR to check for active pulmonary tuberculosis, and possibly draw a titer. I have to have biannual ppds, and all of mine look raised for the first 24 hours or so, but go down by the time they had to be read. Many people born outside the US recieve TB vaccines, so they will show positive on a PPD and titer, but rarlely have active TB.
 

amdhunter

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OP, you have only 3 hours to live.

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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: CatchPhrase
this is basically my arm, but the papule is 12mm.
Edit: link http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa...sitiveppdskintest.html
Over 10mm means you have tuberculosis.
I need to know how damaging isoniazid can be to the liver after 9 months of use and if the damage is irreversible.

I need to talk to an expert on the liver. I have TB.


You have come to the right place for accurate medical advice from us Doctors!!!
 

Mo0o

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Stop being a baby. INH is pretty well tolerated, just make sure to take the vit B6 supplement as well.
 

CatchPhrase

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
From Medical & Surgical Nursing - Assessment & Management of Clinical Problems:

"The major side affect of isoniazide, rifanpin, and pyrizinamide is hepatitis."
They will want to monitor your liver functions, especially if you're over 35 years old.

It can cause elevated liver enzymes up to 3 times normal without symptoms "does not constitute an indication to stop therapy." Isoniazide is primarily metabolized by the liver and excreted by the kidneys. Pyridoxine (vitamin B6) administration during high-dose therapy as prophylactic measure, use as single prophylactic agent for active TB in individuals whose PPD converts to positive, ability to cross blood-brain barrier.

What it does is interferes with the DNA metabolism of tubercole bacillus.

Some of the side effects of isoniazide are: peripheral neuritis, hepatotoxicity, hypersensitivity (skin rash, arthralgia, fever), optic neuritis, vitamin B6 neuritis.

To paraphrase JarJar Binks, "meesa thinks youza gonna" be just fine. Just follow your doctors advice. Oh, and as mentioned above, my wife has never heard of anyone being put on treatment only for a positive conversion (your test.)

A positive reaction indicates the presence of a tuberculous infenction, but it does not show whether the infection is dormant or active, causing a clinical illness. Because the response to TB skin testing may be decreased in the immunocomporomised patient, induratino reactions less than 10mm may be considered positive.

Chest X-ray: Although the findings on chest x-ray examination are important, it is not possible to make a diagnosis of TB solely on the basis of this examination...

Bacteriologic Studies: The demonstration of tubercle baccili bacteriologically is essential (my emphasis) for establishing a diagnosis. Microscopic examination of stained sputum smears for acidfast baccili is usually the first bacteriologic evidence of the presence of tubercle bacilli...

The most accurate means of diagnosis is a culture technique (may take 6 to 8 weeks). Advantage: it can detect small quantities (as few as 10 bacteria per milliliter of specimen)

Serologic diagnosis of TB using enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) methodology to measure IgG antibody against mycobacterial antigens is a new and promising technique. DNA fingerprinting uses the polymerase chain reaction technique to identify individual strains of M. tuberculosis.



Drug therapy: In view of the growing prevalence of multidrug-resistant TB, the patient with active (my emphasis again) TB should be managed aggressively. Standard therapy has been revised because of the increase in prevalence of drug-resistant TB. Treatment of TB usually consists of a combination of at least four drugs... It has been shown that single-drug therapy can result in rapid development of resistant strains.
The five primary drugs used are isoniazid, rifampin, pyrazinamide, streptomycin, and ethambutol.

From the above, most of the time, therapy is only given for active infections. HOWEVER:
Indications for Preventive TB Therapy:
*Newly infected patient
*Person with known or suspected HIV infection and positive skin test
*Exposure of household members and other close associates to newly diagnosed patient
*Significant tuberculin skin test reactors with abnormal chest x-ray
*Significant tuberculin skin test reactors in special clinical situations (person takes corticosteroids; has diabetes mellitus, silicosis, gastrectomy, or end-stage renal disease)
*Other significant tuberculin skin test converters (>-10 mm increase within a 2 year period for those less than 35 years old; >- 15 mm increase for those greater than 35 years old; all children less than 2 years old with a >10 mm skin test.
*Other significant tuberculin skin test reactors in person less than 35 years old (persons born outside of US from high-prevalence countries; medically underserved low-income populations including high risk racial or ethnic populations, such as African-Americans, Hispanic, and Native-Americans; residents in long-term care facilities.)


edit: oh, and what they said: they'll monitor your liver enzymes to make sure you're just fine. Hell, I had a toenail injury which led to a toenail fungus getting established, which led to it spreading to most of my other toenails. I had to take some drug to get rid of it. Worked great, but they had to monitor my enzymes due to the possibility of it harming my liver. No hesitation on my part. I have a lot more information in several books, but none really spends any time going over the liver aspect. I think it's more of a concern to you than it apparently should be. Just like any standard treatment, there is that very small percentage of cases that the standard treatment is causing unacceptable other effect to. And, for these people, the therapy is changed. Some of the other therapies for active TB are considered more toxic, hence they're not the first line choice for treatment.

:thumbsup:
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
We really need a forum for topics related to Health, or Fitness.

With posting disabled and one sticky that says "GO TO A DOCTOR". (for the health part)
 

Zee

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
We really need a forum for topics related to Health, or Fitness.

there's too many forums here already and most are dead
 

Steve

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Ask eits. He'll crack your back, give you some magic water and fix you right up.

That reminds me, I need to send in my new order of snake oil...
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
We really need a forum for topics related to Health, or Fitness.

we really need less forums b/c hardly anyone visits most of the sub forums.
 

jemcam

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I had a positive test back in 1981 when I was 18. I then got another test that was of a different type and it was positive too. I then had several chest xrays and found nothing. The Dr. told me to take some medicine for a year but I never did. (Hey, I was in college and the whole no alcohol thing pissed me off!)

Fast forward 27 years. No big deal. I was in the Army for 15 years, I get physicals on a regular basis, and I've had no ill-effects. The only downside is I always have to say yes when asked if I've ever been tested positive for the TB anti-bodies. It doesn't mean I have TB and no one (Doctor wise) really seems to be very concerned about it. Hell, they even let me donate blood. (which I don't do any more because the Red Cross is worse than a timeshare salesman when it comes to nagging you to donate blood).

You probably will have no ill effects, but you do need to have chest xrays done every couple of months or so to make sure.

At least that's been my experience.