I need to patent a process!

SagaLore

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I need to file a patent.

I am already on uspto.gov looking at their info and guides... looks like I can do this electronically too...

Has anyone else here filed a patent? Was it approved? How much did it cost?
 

Mr N8

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I TOLD you, you can't patent that. Men have been doing that since cave art came about.
 

You will be required to send your payent application and the requuired fee to Washington DC with either a prototype or full drawings.
Once they review your application, they will search thier database for anything remotely similiar, if nothing turns up, you will recieve a certified letter in the mail stating that it is patent pending, your actual patent will not arrive for two to ten years.
 

No one can copy your invention/process for seven years without paying you royalties.
 

TitanDiddly

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My dad got a patent. It cost about $6000 for a patent lawyer, although I have the feeling that he got pwned.
 

Yes he did, you can do it yourself for free, very easy to do matter of fact.

Just do the paperwork and pay the fees.
 

Armitage

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I know a few people who have, but they went through our corporate lawyers, and it seemed to be an exceedingly painful process.
 

Mr N8

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: theNEOone
what does your process accomplish?


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It stops a degree of spam, accurately.

:)

So, ATOT hasn't killed all of your brain. Great market to stick yourself into, BTW.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: MogulMonster
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: theNEOone
what does your process accomplish?


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It stops a degree of spam, accurately.

:)

So, ATOT hasn't killed all of your brain. Great market to stick yourself into, BTW.

ATOT keeps one half of my brain entertained while the other half is running some heavy computations.

I have found that some of my best ideas come from when I'm taking a course, and I start to lose concentration on the material, next thing I know I'm writing down thoughts that have nothing to do with the class. Results in a horrible GPA but it will pay off someday if I can make some money from these ideas. :p
 

theNEOone

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: theNEOone
what does your process accomplish?


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It stops a degree of spam, accurately.
hmm, that's cool. my school does spam blocking/filtering based on hundreds of rules, assigns a weight to each of these rules, and then finally determines that likelihood that a particular e-mail is spam. if it's more than 50% likely that the e-mail is spam, it adds a tag to the beginning for the sujbect [PMX:###] to indicate that it's spam, with each "#" indicating an extra 10% probability that the e-mail is spam. (therefore, the above example indicates an 80% chance that the email is spam). then through outlook you can add a simple rule to filter out these e-mails based on percentage. i have really relaxed rules - i'm filtering at 50% probability. the rules are damn good, so far i get 100% spam blocking, and maybe 1-2% false positives. i can probably increase the outlook rules to filter out only 60-70, and i might get rid of the false positives, but it works so well that i think that i'll just leave it as it is.

here's some possible competition. my school uses PureMessage


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SagaLore

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: theNEOone
what does your process accomplish?


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It stops a degree of spam, accurately.
hmm, that's cool. my school does spam blocking/filtering based on hundreds of rules, assigns a weight to each of these rules, and then finally determines that likelihood that a particular e-mail is spam. if it's more than 50% likely that the e-mail is spam, it adds a tag to the beginning for the sujbect [PMX:###] to indicate that it's spam, with each "#" indicating an extra 10% probability that the e-mail is spam. (therefore, the above example indicates an 80% chance that the email is spam). then through outlook you can add a simple rule to filter out these e-mails based on percentage. i have really relaxed rules - i'm filtering at 50% probability. the rules are damn good, so far i get 100% spam blocking, and maybe 1-2% false positives. i can probably increase the outlook rules to filter out only 60-70, and i might get rid of the false positives, but it works so well that i think that i'll just leave it as it is.

here's some possible competition. my school uses PureMessage


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My antispam method is only complimentary, I don't think it would work well by itself.

What your school is using, PureMessage, is a bayesian algorithm designed by ActiveState which was recently acquired by Sophos.

The difficulty with bayesian is that there are hundreds, sometimes thousands of tokenized rules. The value of each token is adjusted based on email traffic. This is known as "bayesian training". Unfortunately, where this succeeds as a desktop solution, fails as an enterprise solution. When you have 500 employees, each within departments of different themes, the bayesian loses effectiveness while increasing false positives.

Another problem with Bayesian is that spammers quickly identify the rulesets, and use their own tokenizing software to counteract it. It's war of the algorithms. That's why lately you see emails that use non traditional characters in their content, or a dump of an excerpt of some book, or no text at all and just load an image via html.
 

Zee

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Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
My dad got a patent. It cost about $6000 for a patent lawyer, although I have the feeling that he got pwned.

that seems about right. My friend hired someone for about 10 grand.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: Roger
No one can copy your invention/process for seven years without paying you royalties.

Depends on the kind of patent. Utility patents are good for 20, design patents for 14. After that they're public domain.

Filing it yourself is pretty inexpensive but unless you seriously know WTF you're doing your patent won't be worth the paper it's printed on. The point is to have a patent that will stand up to litigation, so it has to be very carefully worded and drawn.

quick google search finds this handy site:

what does it cost to get a patent

You have to pay maintenance fees on the patent as well, a typical schedule is $880 due at 3.5 years, $2020 due at 7.5 years, and $3100 due at 11.5 years.

My company deals with patents on products all the time, in fact I met with 2 patent attorneys yesterday to discuss a new product. I'm no expert but I'll try to answer any questions.
 

rh71

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Apparently you can patent any process... like if I had a way of making my own ice cream, in some special order, I could patent that. Sounds a bit ludicrous.
 

badmouse

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The ONLY protection a patent affords you is the right to sue someone else for infringement. Write that on the blackboard 500 times until you get it firmly into your head.

Therefore, you go out and find patent lawyers in your field who have won the most infringement cases, and hire them to file your patent.

The four-year wait for a patent is a great thing, because "patent pending" is equally good protection - in fact, it's better protection than an actual patent because you don't have to disclose anything. A patent, once approved, is released to the public.

Good luck!
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Depends on the kind of patent. Utility patents are good for 20, design patents for 14. After that they're public domain.

That doesn't seem to be true anymore.

are you sure? I got that directly from a patent attorney maybe 2 years ago.