I need help to build my pc

[AstroGuardian]

Heat and cable management have nothing to do with the form factor. It is up to the case you will use that matters. Also, multitasking has nothing to do with the form factor. You didn't say you want to overclock neither your CPU has the ability to be overclocked (CPUs with the letter K in the end may be overclocked and they require a Z motherboard).

So it is up to you what kind of form factor you will use, it doesn't matter in your case.

In order to have a dial monitor setup on your machine you will have to install an additional graphics card like Geforce or Radeon

 

[sa2037]

Thanks I will continue my search

 

[sa2037]

Some questions please
When I try to choose asrock motherboard with itx form factor or even matx, they don't have all solid caps.
I found motherboards with b85 chipset have this feature and z97 motherboards has gold or other materials but not h97.

Z97 is expensive but not much problem.
B85 is old and they will not support Intel 5 generation if I will need it. Sadly, no b95.
H97 what I prefer but not all solid caps

What is your advice?
Here link to compare different asrock models if you want
www.asrock.com/mb/compare.asp

Thank you very much

 

[mfenn]

The capacitor choice depends on the particular motherboard, not on the chipset. Honestly though, you shouldn't get hung up on the capacitor choice.

"Solid" doesn't necessarily mean "highest quality" or "best for the application". For example, Z97M-ITX/ac is a solid cap design except for the audio filtering stage, where they used electrolytic capacitors becasue they provide better noise isolation.

 

[AstroGuardian]

True that.
I wouldn't bother too much whether the capacitors are solid or not.

 

[sa2037]

My last question about compatibility and sorry if I bothered you too much . I choose these parts as a final list

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sa2037/saved/LxPQzy


Some explains,
I choose i3 cause it's enough
Choose speed of ram because 2133 the best speed for multitasking but no more.
Choose Samsung Evo cause you suggest it and read in Internet much praise for it.
Choose asrock motherboard cause it's the best for money
Choose CM elite 130 cause it's the best under $50 and portable.
Then choose power supply (modular) with 430 watts despite of just 127w the system need but because no many options.
Logetic keyboard and mouse cause popular on Amazon

* Some physical dimensionrestrictions cannot (yet)be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler/ RAM clearance withmodules using tallheat spreaders.

This message let me focus much on compatibility
If I want practical keyboard (no mechanical = not loud) & mouse. Do you suggest any one?

Is there any compatibility issues BTW Motherboard, case, psu?
What about after market heatsink do I need it? Will it fit?

Finally, I came to this forum to learn about tech, practice English but if not allowed to me to be member for any reason I'll respect this.
Thank you very much

 

[Boogieman_WD]

Do you have any data to back up this statement? According to the most recent data that I could find, no current WD Blue model is makes the list of drives which have high enough failure rates to be worth mentioning. Several WD Black models do however make the list.

I can't back my claim up with any public info. I could just show you my shelf with broken blues. Those disks all have the same issue and have been used on different computers. Those are all new drives that develop bad sectors. I have tried low level format using the WD tools and i thought i have fixed the issues since they disappeared, disabled power saving, changed SATA cables etc. But they repeatedly develop bad sectors. Repeatedly.

Now, i am very well aware that those disks can come from the same faulty batch which may have hit Europe solely, but the OP orders them from Europe anyways. They all arrive in Rotterdam from China for whole Europe so that's why i proposed to stay away from the blues, at least for some time.

No hating, no raging. Just a friendly advice.

Hi @AstroGuardian. Sorry you had such bad experience with your drives, I understand your frustration and if I had gone through that, I'd probably feel the same way as well. You do sound like someone who knows his way around hardware so I'm sure you are well aware that this might have happened with whichever brand and it might be due to a number of reasons ranging from system environment to plain bad luck.
You've mentioned that all those drives came from China and I would advise you to check if they are produced there, because internal WD drives are made only in Thailand and Malaysia. If that's the case it might have been through a reseller, but if not - they are definitely fake.

@sa2037, as for the HDD, if you plan running most of your programs from the SSD and use the HDD mainly for storage, I think that a WD Green drive would suit you perfectly. It runs cool and quiet and it's budget friendly.
You could take a look at it and its features here: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=780

Let me know if you have any questions.
Boogieman_WD

 

[sa2037]

Thank you for your advice
I'll see

 

[sa2037]

Yes I I choose wd green,
But what about compatibility, Good keyboard

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WrJHqs) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WrJHqs/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34130) | $118.98 @ SuperBiiz
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97eitxac) | $134.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f32133c11d16gar) | $162.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) | $118.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezrx) | $54.99 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc130kkn1) | $39.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430m) | $49.99 @ Amazon
**Keyboard** | [Logitech Wireless Combo MK270 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/logitech-keyboard-920004536) | $17.95 @ B&H
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $698.87
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-21 17:50 EDT-0400 |

 

[mfenn]

Are you buying the parts from the US? That's not been very clear to me this whole time.

Assuming you are buying from the US, then here are my recommendations:
- You're spending too much on the motherboard. The GA-B85N Phoenix-WIFI is $100
- You're spending too much on RAM. DDR3 2133 doesn't give you any benefit over normal DDR3 1600 for your use case. This Crucial DDR3 1600 16GB kit is $150.
- The WD Green is OK, but you're getting slower performance without saving any money. You can get a WD Blue 1TB (7200RPM) for $54

 

[sa2037]

I'll buy from www.computeruniverse.com

Asrock z97 newer than B85. I can upgrade for Intel 5th generation. Asrock has better reputation than gigabyte.

I read Anandtech recommends this speed.

G. Skill better than crucial

I read advice Boogieman_WD who recommends green. I think green quite less heat. But I'm not the one who can verdict

But I'm a little afraid from compatibility issues and I need practical keyboard

Thanks

 

[Boogieman_WD]

mfenn is right as well. The WD Blue is a nice general usage HDD and is in the same price range as the WD Green. If you are getting 1TB, the Blue one is an option as well and as mfenn mentioned you get a bit higher performance. So it all comes down to you preferences.
WD Blue - higher performance with main purpose general usage.
WD Green - cool and quiet with main purpose secondary storage.

Hope that helps.
Boogieman_WD

 

[sa2037]

I'll use SSD for OS and programs and frequently used files but HDD for storage.
I think green will not affect my work if I put files like videos, ebooks
Generally, does drive affect when opening files or programs and then memory will control performance.

 

[AstroGuardian]

Hi @
You've mentioned that all those drives came from China and I would advise you to check if they are produced there, because internal WD drives are made only in Thailand and Malaysia.

Yes exactly. They all come from China (Chinese company ships them) but are not necessarily MADE in China. The drives are not fake since all of them are sold in whole Europe and come through legitimate channel and are not refurbished. Tens of machines are sold with identical other internals and different drives used. Only the Blues are failing. No Greens, no Blacks.

 

[mfenn]

I'll buy from www.computeruniverse.com

Thank you for providing the shop. Now, can you give us your budget in euros so that we can comparison shop? All of the prices you gave are not relevant because they don't reflect what you would actually pay.

 

[sa2037]

My budget around $600. But I feel I choose what good for me but if there's better options no problem.
But most important thing is compatibility

 

[sa2037]

Thank very much for your help especially Mr. Astroguardian.
I made order and I wait the shipment
I changed cpu to i5 4570s and cancelled logetic keyboard & mouse kit to Microsoft wireless mouse 3500 for Business

 

[AstroGuardian]

You are welcome.

I hope your learning will be productive and bring you an edge.
You mentioned you want to learn networking and system engineering. If you have any questions regarding that topic come again and ask. Help is available

 

[sa2037]

Thank you, when I need I'll do

 

[MongGrel]

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