I need help to build my pc

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
I am new member. Could you help, Iwant to study A+, network+ certs using virtualization prog to practice networking and other things. This for about 4-6 months
For everyday, browsing Internet open many tabs maybe more than 20 tabs with add-ons
In same time open programs like Evernote, word,
Using Linux in virtual machine or install it alongside Windows
Hacintosh capability is good but not necessary.
Multi boot ability is good to try it I'm not sure if I use it.
No overclock need.
No games
I want Good keyboard for typing

Budget
Max =$ 600 but I want enough system & little more after that to save money, no overspending .

Buy from online store maybe amazon.com or
Outside us from comuteruniverse.com Germany store

No preference, any brand

No current part to use.

Overclock against stability and not much difference

My TV support 1080p & 1080i & 720p

No software to purchase
 

AstroGuardian

Senior member
May 8, 2006
842
0
0
I kinda did what you want to do long time ago...
I would suggest nothing too expensive since those kind of things run smoothly on an entry level system. My suggestion would be:
1. i3/i5 Haswell processor
2. Some Z87 chipset motherboard preferablty with all solid capacitors for longevity and stabile operation
3. Definitely an SSD drive, minimum 250Gb, suppose Samsung 840 EVO would be good enough. If you cant go with the 500Gb version at least get the 250Gb.
4. Start with 8Gb od RAM or move to 16Gb, it's cheap and almost grows on trees
5. Use the onboard Intel HD4400 graphics chip, it should be more than enough for your needs. Also it's compatible with most of the Linux distros.
6. Plug in an additional 1Tb hard drive for ISO images, ebooks, tutorials, porn and stuff...
7. A good, reliable and efficient 500 watt power supply

That should be enough. I use a similar setup running multiple windows and CentOS systems running 24/7 and changing all the time.

Good luck
 

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
Thank you so much for your help.
I'll try now to use pcpartspickers.Com.
To collect those things
I'll come back
 

AstroGuardian

Senior member
May 8, 2006
842
0
0
Write back what did you choose. If you care that much you may as well write a scenario or use case, we might be able to give you more precise suggestions.
 

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
This is my first try with pcpartpicker.com
It's around $800, I'm sure there's better.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wxgP8d

I have some question

I chose I5 because it's 4 core. What if I choose I3 2core with to multithread
Is there big difference in performance for my needs, I'll save money.

I get confused with Intel chip like HD 4400 HD 4600 I want to know difference to use websites filters more efficient., for example newegg & pcpartpicker.com

There's are hard drives with color. What best combination with SSD. Like WD green & blue.

SSD terms like TLC(TOGGLE), MLC, TRIM. SSD controler. ARE THEY IMPORTANT. WHICH BEST FOR ME.

Is there necessary to buy optical drive

I want to learn first then buy the parts.
If there's suggestions it's good
Thank you
 

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
I made some changes

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tQH4ZL) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tQH4ZL/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34130) | $119.99 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97pro3) |-
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31600c9d8gab) | $88.90 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) | $129.97 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st310005n1a1asrk) | $61.99 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-300r) | $85.59 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430) | $39.99 @ Amazon
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $526.43
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-12 17:54 EDT-0400 |
 

conti154

Banned
Aug 12, 2014
12
0
0
Motherboard: ASRock H97M: $70
CPU: Intel Core i3-4150: $117 AP
Hard Drive: Western Digital Blue: $60
Power Supply: EVGA 500 B 80+ Bronze: $30 AR
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 4GB DDR3-1600: $36
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000: $40
Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 128GB: $75
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X: $165 AR AP

$539.00

If you are willing to drop to a 500GB HDD (Western Digital: $55 or Seagate: $55 with promo code) and abandon the SSD, you could upgrade to this Sapphire Radeon R9 280X for $240 AR for a total of $588.
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
No, just online store based in Germany

OK, you're going to have to explain this to me. How are you going to spend US dollars in a German store?

If you don't live in the US, do you have a line to cheaply import products or something (such as a friend/relative in the US)?
 

AstroGuardian

Senior member
May 8, 2006
842
0
0
I made some changes

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tQH4ZL) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tQH4ZL/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34130) | $119.99 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97pro3) |-
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31600c9d8gab) | $88.90 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) | $129.97 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st310005n1a1asrk) | $61.99 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-300r) | $85.59 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430) | $39.99 @ Amazon
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $526.43
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-12 17:54 EDT-0400 |

The change you made makes a sense, i should have suggested almost the same.

Regarding you other questions:
1. i3 has in theory half the power of the i5 but the question is would you need i5 in the first place. I have the exact cpu on an Z87 mobo and i run like 4-5 operating systems included windows server and linux and i dont have performance issues. The i3 is pushed hard but it handles everything i throw at him. The bright side is that you can always switch it with i5/i7 later if you need it.
2. Hard drives do have colours. Green disks spin at 5400-6000 rpms, have higher latencies and suck in performance generally speaking and are used for storage an external drives in closed enclosures, heats up less. Reds are like the greens but optimized for NAS systems. Blues suck donkey ballz lately and dropping like flies (Western Digitals) and have no significant performance benefits, somewhere in between the greens and blacks. Blacks are the best, they spin at 7200 rpms, have lower latencies, great performance (as far as HARD drives are concerned, which is way below SSD performance but they are used for storage anyways), great reliability and a 5 year warranty. These apply to Western Digital. Other manufacturers are somewhere in between, but you hacve an SSD for performance and a HDD for storage so it doesn't mane any difference to you. Pay attention to warranty.
3. HD4400 and HD4600 are the graphic chips and they dont differ significantly. It soesn't make any difference to your scenario.
4. SSD terms also are strictly technical and are trivial to non technical user, so skip them whatsoever. The Samsung EVO is a great choice. There is also Samsung PRO which is slightly faster but insignificantly.
5. I have forgotten how an optical drive looks like lately since all installations can be made with an USB stick and you wouldn't need it for that reason. That is unless you don't have some data written on an optical storage and you need to access it. It's up to you.
6. I would suggest addin 4 x 4Gb or 2 x 8Gb of RAM so that you spare your ssd from paging data (making unnecessary writes) which shortens it's life span, and you may need the extra RAM depending how many machines you plan on virtualizing.

If you have more questions shoot.
 
Last edited:

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
First, SSD more important for me than graphic card.

No but that German website has less shipment fee and thy ship international everything you buy and their prices are good.

I want to run machine enough to study networking I think 4 or 5 enough. I could use Windows xp on some if I lacked Ram. As you know Windows xp need less Ram than 7 and so Linux.
I could upgrade Ram any time.

Now does these parts support Linux?

Does this system perfect?

Do you suggest any improvements or I begin to buy.


What about keyboard? Which brand best?
 

AstroGuardian

Senior member
May 8, 2006
842
0
0
I would say that machine is perfect.
About linux compatibility first note which kind of distro are you planning to use, then we can check if Z97 is compatible. Z87 is supported in RedHat based distros but i am not sure about Z97. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
If the keyboard is important to you, go for Microsoft, Logitech or any other brand similar in price.

No further advice. Build the machine. I would do it (except if the chipset isn't compatible with your Linux distribution, all other components are good to go).
 

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
I'll decide later. I'll search more
Your Samsung SSD is so good. I searched my components in Internet I found all them good brand especially Samsung Evo.
Thank you
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
2. Hard drives do have colours. Green disks spin at 5400-6000 rpms, have higher latencies and suck in performance generally speaking and are used for storage an external drives in closed enclosures, heats up less. Reds are like the greens but optimized for NAS systems. Blues suck donkey ballz lately and dropping like flies (Western Digitals) and have no significant performance benefits, somewhere in between the greens and blacks. Blacks are the best, they spin at 7200 rpms, have lower latencies, great performance (as far as HARD drives are concerned, which is way below SSD performance but they are used for storage anyways), great reliability and a 5 year warranty. These apply to Western Digital. Other manufacturers are somewhere in between, but you hacve an SSD for performance and a HDD for storage so it doesn't mane any difference to you. Pay attention to warranty.

Do you have any data to back up this statement? According to the most recent data that I could find, no current WD Blue model is makes the list of drives which have high enough failure rates to be worth mentioning. Several WD Black models do however make the list.
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
I live in middle east, and the company (website) in Germany.
I will order online.

Thank you. Can you give us your budget in Euros and give us a link to the web site that you will use? Any US-specific deals that we might find are not really useful to you.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,466
3,067
121
I know I'll get smacked for it, but giving a potential terrorist info help might be a bad thing.

I'm just saying.

Not something I really look at most the time, but ya know.

This is completely unacceptable behavior. Racism will not be tolerated here. You've been warned before to stay out of help threads if you can't give constructive advice. Now you can have a few days of vacation to think about it.

mfenn
General Hardware Moderator
 
Last edited by a moderator:

AstroGuardian

Senior member
May 8, 2006
842
0
0
Do you have any data to back up this statement? According to the most recent data that I could find, no current WD Blue model is makes the list of drives which have high enough failure rates to be worth mentioning. Several WD Black models do however make the list.

I can't back my claim up with any public info. I could just show you my shelf with broken blues. Those disks all have the same issue and have been used on different computers. Those are all new drives that develop bad sectors. I have tried low level format using the WD tools and i thought i have fixed the issues since they disappeared, disabled power saving, changed SATA cables etc. But they repeatedly develop bad sectors. Repeatedly.

Now, i am very well aware that those disks can come from the same faulty batch which may have hit Europe solely, but the OP orders them from Europe anyways. They all arrive in Rotterdam from China for whole Europe so that's why i proposed to stay away from the blues, at least for some time.

No hating, no raging. Just a friendly advice.

I know I'll get smacked for it, but giving a potential terrorist info help might be a bad thing.

I'm just saying.

Not something I really look at most the time, but ya know.

Won't smack you, just spank you a bit. Not all people in the middle east tend to be terrorists. Terrorists get created by illegal financing and propaganda. But not all people fall to that. As a matter of fact almost every European country tend to hate the USA so "terrorists" may as well develop everywhere in Europe.
 
Last edited:

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
Monggrel if I was terrorist as you say, I'll tell you.
Please I don't need your advice because I don't trust your knowledge.

Thanks for others who help
 

sa2037

Member
Aug 11, 2014
35
0
0
I now confused which motherboard best for me.
As brand I know asrock better value.
As form factor I want ITX cause less space needed & portability. But it's expensive ( +10 to +30), than MaTX. I feel 2 expanation slots enough maybe I don't use any one but to be safe. Maybe one for gragpich card and the other one as a reserve. Usually, itx has one Expansion slot.
They have no more than 16 gigabyte (2 slots) for Ram . I read a lot about this to conclude 16 gigabyte enough for any thing I could do.

Now, do you think it's good option.
What about heat, cable management , do itx good for heavy multitasking.
What about power supply with those motherboards, what about pc cases with them.

Thank you