I need help please, very good PC for gaming!

[miconba]

Hello, im looking to buy new PC that will run "next-gen" games on Ultra (or whatever is the highest seting for graphics) without lag, thats very important. I want to buy PC that would last me more than 2 years without upgrading.

Couple important information: I really dont know much when it comes to PC, like processors, graphic cards etc. So i would ask if anyone would help that you keep it in fairly simple terms.

I also have limited options when it comes to selection because i will be buying in Slovenia.

So far ive been looking for good PC for games and i found one here: http://www.pcplus.si/racunalniki/os...r-+-w8-core-i7-3770-8gb-2tb-hd-7770-windows-8

Ive been looking on Intel and AMD sites and found out that processor and graphic card that that PC has are not the best.

If i could keep everything else on that PC except change processor and graphic card would that meet my needs ?

I would maybe use that processor : http://www.pcplus.si/strojna-oprema/procesorji/procesor-intel-core-i7-3930k-lga2011-3-20ghz-box

and one of these graphic cards (here im not sure what are the differences between these) : http://www.pcplus.si/strojna-oprema/graficne-kartice/graficna-kartica-sapphire-hd7970-3gb-ddr5

http://www.pcplus.si/strojna-oprema/graficne-kartice/graficna-kartica-asus-hd7970-3gd5-3g-ddr5

http://www.pcplus.si/strojna-oprema...ca-club-3d-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-ddr5-royalqueen


1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Diverse

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

Around 1,500 €

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

Slovenia

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

AMD, Intel

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

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7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Default

8. What resolution will you be using?

2560x1440

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

Not sure

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

Not sure

Any help would be appreciated, Mitja.

 

[mfenn]

Hello, im looking to buy new PC that will run "next-gen" games on Ultra (or whatever is the highest seting for graphics) without lag, thats very important. I want to buy PC that would last me more than 2 years without upgrading.

I can assure you that it is next to impossible to buy a system today that will be able to completely max out the games of 2015 and beyond while getting good FPS at 1440p. You certainly aren't going to be able to do it for 1500 euro.

It's certainly possible to buy a PC today that will play those titles (often at good quality settings). With that in mind, here is the best that you can get for your money:

i5 3570K 231e
ASRock Z77 Pro4 118e
DDR3 1600 4GB x2 44e
GTX 680 531e
Samsung 840 108e
Samsung F3 1TB 79e
Antec TP-650W 119e
Cooler Master CM-690 II 103e
Cooler Master Hyper 412 41e
Windows 8 64-bit 99e
Total: 1473e

HOWEVER, I strongly recommend that you get the less expensive (and somewhat slower) 7950 3GB and save the rest of the money for a new graphics card 18-24 months from now.

 

[miconba]

Thank you mfenn for that list im looking through it.

I have a question, what type of upgrades would be necessary for PC, do you have to upgrade graphic card, processor,... ?

 

[nsafreak]

Thank you mfenn for that list im looking through it.

I have a question, what type of upgrades would be necessary for PC, do you have to upgrade graphic card, processor,... ?

That really depends on the game although nowadays most games are more GPU (video card) centric than they are dependent on a CPU. A solid CPU will last longer in between upgrades than a video card will. In all likelihood you'll still be able to use the CPU from this build even after you upgrade the video card 18+ months from now.

 

[miconba]

Thanks nsafreak.

 

[miconba]

What if i would have 2000€ budget ?

 

[bononos]

What if i would have 2000€ budget ?

Like the others have said, its better to spend less than 1500euros instead of trying to build something for the next generation (which is probably going to depend on what sort of HW the new consoles have) when we have no idea how it will perform. Save that 600 euros towards an upgrade in the future.

 

[DSF]

Even setting aside the time value of money, $500 (or 500E) will buy significantly better hardware in 2 years than it does at present. The best way to get the most out of your money is to spend just what you need to to accomplish your goals for today (taking into account the size of your display) and pocket the extra money. That extra 500-750E could easily allow incremental upgrades at the 2 and 4 year marks, or whatever interval you deem necessary.

 

[miconba]

Thanks bononos and DSF.

Im sorry for asking so many questions as i said im not an expert on PC and i dont want to rush on any decisions since that is a lot of money.

All this hardware and upgrading has got me confused.

I understand that later i would get better hardware for that money, but is there a way that i would have a PC now that wouldnt recquire much upgrade later except graphic card (since i got an impression that this is the part that needs most upgrading) ?

So since upgrading would recquire mostly the graphic card and not all other parts, would it be wise to try to spend money on processors, etc,.. and save money on graphic card, since i dont want to wait 2 or more years to have a good PC ?

 

[mnewsham]

To be honest, no, your best bet is to get the basic build Mfenn outlined for you and upgrade the graphics card in 18-24 months. Everything else will still be good at that point, there really isn't any significant upgrade you could get now that would matter in 18-24 months.

CPU is good, and will be for 3-5 years
RAM is fine, you wont benefit from more or faster RAM (maybe a 1-2% improvement)
SSD is fine, you can't afford something significantly bigger or faster and honestly there is no compelling reason to spend more there.

I would get the 7950 Mfenn linked and upgrade the GPU again in 18 months, AMD's 9000 series or Nvidia 800 series by then possibly.

 

[miconba]

Thanks mnewsham.

I think i wont buy anything yet, ill wait.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Venom20]

Thanks mnewsham.

I think i wont buy anything yet, ill wait.

Thanks for your help.

If you are waiting the 6-18 months for the "better" stuff to come out, you'll find that at that time the answer will be to wait another 6-18 months for the upgrades. It's a cyclical life.

 

[riversend]

miconba, I think you are entering this discussion with unrealistic expectations. The advice given here is quite good. Your system with the 680 should last you quite a while if you are willing to settle for lower graphic quality settings (either decrease resolution or quality or both). Trying to maintain Ultra settings on a 1440 monitor is always going to be costly, most takers cannot afford to do that. Waiting to buy is not going to solve the problem.

What is your thinking on waiting?

 

[miconba]

If you are waiting the 6-18 months for the "better" stuff to come out, you'll find that at that time the answer will be to wait another 6-18 months for the upgrades. It's a cyclical life.

I was thinking about that but im guessing at least the prices will be more affordable.

 

[miconba]

miconba, I think you are entering this discussion with unrealistic expectations. The advice given here is quite good. Your system with the 680 should last you quite a while if you are willing to settle for lower graphic quality settings (either decrease resolution or quality or both). Trying to maintain Ultra settings on a 1440 monitor is always going to be costly, most takers cannot afford to do that. Waiting to buy is not going to solve the problem.

What is your thinking on waiting?

Youre right about me entering the discussion with unrealistic expectations, i havent done gaming on PC really long time and so im not really up to date about PC gaming.

I was hoping that it wouldnt cost me as much then than now to try to have PC to run ultra settings.

 

[riversend]

If you want to start playing now then buy now. The dynamics of upgrading to keep up with new games has been relatively the same for a while now with only small deviations now and then. The only game that seems to be striking fear into gamers who have to have Ultra settings all the time is Crysis 3. Not sure when that comes out, maybe someone else can elaborate. However, that game will probably look fantastic even with some of the eye candy turned off.

 

[miconba]

I dont really need it right now with all the future upgrading in mind, ill rather save up the money.

 

[DSF]

It seems like there's a point that you're missing, but I'm not sure.

No matter when you buy your parts you'll be upgrading the graphics somewhere between 18 and 24 months after that if you intend to keep playing at "Ultra" on such a large display. Waiting a year before you buy will not save you from having to upgrade regularly.

Even if you wait for the newer technology to come out there will be new games out by then which will be pushing the graphics requirements even harder. Makers of graphics cards and games are in a constant race to keep up with each other - it's the cycle that moves the gaming industry (from a graphical standpoint) forward.

Also, don't expect the newer parts to be less expensive than current parts. That's not really how it works. There has been a gradual reduction over the course of decades in what it costs to build a gaming PC, but the difference between what you would spend now and what you would spend in 12 months to meet your needs is pretty small. The difference is that one way lets you play now, and one way makes you wait a year to play your games. It's up to you whether that's worth a small amount of savings to you.

 

[mnewsham]

Yeah if you wait 18 months, or 2 year,s or 5 year,s or 10 years, always saving up, no matter when you buy it in the next 18-24 months there will be the next latest and greatest for cheaper.

 

[mfenn]

It seems like there's a point that you're missing, but I'm not sure.

No matter when you buy your parts you'll be upgrading the graphics somewhere between 18 and 24 months after that if you intend to keep playing at "Ultra" on such a large display. Waiting a year before you buy will not save you from having to upgrade regularly.

Even if you wait for the newer technology to come out there will be new games out by then which will be pushing the graphics requirements even harder. Makers of graphics cards and games are in a constant race to keep up with each other - it's the cycle that moves the gaming industry (from a graphical standpoint) forward.

Also, don't expect the newer parts to be less expensive than current parts. That's not really how it works. There has been a gradual reduction over the course of decades in what it costs to build a gaming PC, but the difference between what you would spend now and what you would spend in 12 months to meet your needs is pretty small. The difference is that one way lets you play now, and one way makes you wait a year to play your games. It's up to you whether that's worth a small amount of savings to you.

Yeah if you wait 18 months, or 2 year,s or 5 year,s or 10 years, always saving up, no matter when you buy it in the next 18-24 months there will be the next latest and greatest for cheaper.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: to both of these. I don't think that the OP was getting that part.

 

[miconba]

I understand that no matter how long i wait i would always need an upgrade.

I have a few questions just to be sure.

1.CPU will last longer than GPU ?

2.In regards to gaming how much does CPU matter ?

3.Can someone explain to me why i7 processors are more expensive than i5 when in comparison chart they look almost exactly the same ?

4.What is the most important feature in processors ?

5.What is PhysX in GTX680 , does it make a difference compared to AMD ?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Upgrade yearly. Just spend what you can afford with yearly upgrades.

 

[mfenn]

I understand that no matter how long i wait i would always need an upgrade.

I have a few questions just to be sure.

1.CPU will last longer than GPU ?

2.In regards to gaming how much does CPU matter ?

3.Can someone explain to me why i7 processors are more expensive than i5 when in comparison chart they look almost exactly the same ?

4.What is the most important feature in processors ?

5.What is PhysX in GTX680 , does it make a difference compared to AMD ?

1. Generally speaking, yes.

2. It matters that you have a good baseline (reasonably high-clockeds and quad-core in that order), but generational differences and ancillary features matter less.

3. Mainly because Intel knows that people will pay more for "the best". Usually the biggest difference is Hyper-threading or more than 4 cores.

4. Efficient microarchitecture, clock speed, and core count.

5. PhysX is Nvidia's proprietary API for doing GPU-accelerated PhysX. Only some games support it and its usually a cosmetic difference in physical particle counts and such.

 

[miconba]

Thanks.

 

[miconba]

Can you guys help me out again ?