I need help choosing a video card for my computer

metsfan1930

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I have an emachines T4160 with P4, 1.6GHz processor. It has 256 SDRAM. In addition there is one AGP slot on the computer with a 4X bus. At this moment I have a 2001 32 MB AGP video card. I am looking at an nVidia GEForce FX5500. It has a core speed of 270 MHz, 256 MB DDR memory, an effective speed of 400MHz, an AGP 4X/8X bus, and supports directX9, OpenGL 1.5. The ports on the card include a VGA Out (15 Pin D-Sub)+ TV-Out (S-Video) + DVI. The purchase includes an S-Video cable, Manual, Driver CD and the box. I am on a tight budget (less than $100) so I have a limited selection. Also I would like to be able to play Doom 3, and enter the matrix, do you think this card would be able to handle both games? If it would work on say the 5200 tell me and if it will only work on a higher quality card tell me that 2, and please give me an estimated price even if it is over $100 cause I will be able to get it in a few months maybe.

The Specs of the card were found on newegg.com
 

Randawl

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With those specifications and the FX5500, you may be able to run it at 640x480 and low quality. I personally feel that those are both poor performing cards even at such a low price.
This 5600XT is decent at its price 5600XT

There might be better offers out there for less than $100, but that is what I first found.

Kind Regards,
Randawl
 

SuPrEIVIE

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man doom3? your comp looks like its gonna trip a little why not alleviate some stress by upgrading to 512 or 1 gig of ram?
 

Cerb

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1. SDRAM...DDR SDRAM or PC100/133. If PC133, then you're screwed. Toss the computer out the window.
Otherwise (DDR of some speed)...you're kinda-sorta OK.
2. 256MB? I can hardly use my comp as a desktop with 256MB, and for gaming, you need 512MB minimum.
3. Ti 4200 or 9600 Pro, like Nick said.
 

metsfan1930

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How much would it cost to get the Ti 4200, and 512 of ram? If thats more than $300 thats more than my comp cost.
 

rcomo

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Try out a 9800 Pro for the vid card, and one stick of 512 ram. Even though your CPU will bottleneck it somewhat, it will cost about that $300 you said, but will be useful for when you decide to scrap that computer and get a new mobo+cpu.
 

ianmassey

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buy an xbox. 149.95 and will run doom3 without a hiccup. keep that old toaster for email and excel.
 

metsfan1930

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Accroding to Cpu-Z i have a Samsung SDRAM PC133 - 256 MB. I dont know how to put a new stick into it and i have no idea if there is room for more stick to add on, so can someone tell me how to find out?
 

rcomo

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If you have pc133 ram, then it is time to upgrade your motherboard. You will not be able to put ddr ram in that machine. If you don't want to do a whole upgrade, sounds like the whole "buy an xbox" thing might be your best bet.
 

metsfan1930

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So not even 512 MB PC133 Ram would help? Would my computer even be able to run Doom 3 without the ram upgrade? I know i would need a new video card cause 32 MB wont cut it.
And if it wont even work what would be a good computer that would be able to run Doom 3 stock?
 

metsfan1930

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Also if i have no hope for doom3 would a new video card allow me to play battlefield 1942 with higher quality and allow me to play enter the matrix on my computer?
 

JBT

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Originally posted by: ianmassey
buy an xbox. 149.95 and will run doom3 without a hiccup. keep that old toaster for email and excel.

I'm afraid this guy is right. PC133?? for gaming? now adays? ouch and only 256 MB of it DAMN talk about slow. If you wnat I would go with the 9600p that nick showed you other than that try another stick of PC133 I guess...

EDIT: yes you will be able to play BF 1942 IF you get more RAM as it is a RAM hog and the video card. I have no idea about enter the matrix.
 

araczynski

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i think you would almost need more memory because your rig will suffer from a lot of swapping issues with doom3, or i would think with many other newer games for that matter (with only 256).

problem with pc133 memory is i think it (was?) more expensive then the current trends, so you're getting worse memory for more money... but anyway, i think with some of the card suggestions above and the 512mb you would be able to run doom3 at say 800x600 on medium/low setting, don't expect miracles, but i think it would be playable.

in all honesty however i wouldn't put any further money into this rig SOLELY to play doom3, save up and buy a newer rig, i'm assuming you won't be building one yourself, so go with a dell. as for which one, it all depends on your budget of course, just stay away from any celeron processors :)

as a side note, i never liked any of the previous Dooms or Quakes or Tribes or whatever else, but ever since Half Life which blew me away because of the atmosphere i've been keeping my eyes open for a successor, and i must say Doom3 is definately that successor for me, THE best game i've played since Half Life, worth every penny, constantly has me scared/on the edge of my seat, worrying about every corner and blinking light and wall/ceiling panel....this is masterful programming.
 

JBT

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Originally posted by: metsfan1930
Does anyone have advice on how to get around $1500 so i could get an alienware area-51?

pfft for 1500 any of us could build something much better than what alien ware will get you.
 

ScrapSilicon

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Originally posted by: metsfan1930
I have an emachines T4160
ok..WHAT'S NOT: Unfortunately, this relatively typical minitower is not designed for easy upgrading. You must get out a screwdriver, remove three screws, and tug off the entire metal shell of the case. Lining it back up properly was no easy feat. that isn't upgradeable
and please give me an estimated price even if it is over $100 cause I will be able to get it in a few months maybe.

The Specs of the card were found on newegg.com
save your $ towards a new rig..buy/frequent HotDeals forums to acquire components..example..the Antec Sonata case @ Outpost for $90 less a $30 MIR..harddrives for around .50 a gig..that vid card nick1985 linked to..mobo/cpu combo..in the meantime ..bear with that emachine awhile longer..
 

Kishan

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enter the matrix sucks on pc-get a xbox, but keep reading AT forums so you learn more and more about computers, and when you finally can save up $500+ you'll get a good comp.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: metsfan1930
So not even 512 MB PC133 Ram would help? Would my computer even be able to run Doom 3 without the ram upgrade? I know i would need a new video card cause 32 MB wont cut it.
And if it wont even work what would be a good computer that would be able to run Doom 3 stock?
Nope, PC133 is crap for you, and your machine was slow when it was brand spanking new.
PC133 (133MHz single data rate) offers 1GB per second for bandwidth.

PSA: Desktop PC Processors and YOU.
Modern CPUs, in this case Athlons and Pentium 4s, have alot of buzzwords and such going into their design. The important one here is pipeline. Generally we use the ALU (integers and logic) pipeline as a guideline, as the other parts scale accordingly.

The Athlons have a 10-stage ALU pipeline (Athlon64 12), and the Pentium4 20-stage. It's like an assembly line. Each stage can do one part of an instruction, and you can have as many going through as the stages. Each stage takes a cycle to complete. Longer pipelines (less work per cycle) allow one to reach higher speeds.
So you need to add x and y, it takes 10 cycles on an Athlon and 20 on a P4. There's more magic behind the P4's ALUs, but I won't go there right now. So it is less efficient. However, you can get high speeds. If you are able to keep the pipelines full, you can do as much work as the speed allows (IE, 2GHz P4 = 2 GHz Athlon). It uses on-chip memory to keep things it needs and what it thinks it will need.

However, let's say the chip predicts what it needs wrong. It has to stop, go ask the memory controller for some data, and wait for the memory controller to request that part, then the lookup is complete, and it reads, and sends it back to the CPU. Meanwhile the CPU must also flush something else out to make room.

With the longer pipelines, this snowballs and you end up with doggy performance. Hyperthreading helps a bit, allowing other threads to go through instead of stalling the CPU. With shorter pipelines, it's less of a problem. So what do you do? Put more cache memory on the CPU, so it can hold more, and be more likely to have what is needed.

However, you still need to constantly get things in and out of the CPU, and meeger bandwidth offered by PC133 doesn't cut it, so you're getting stuck in those stalls ALL the time. Gaming is not for such a PC.

Your current PC can get beat to hell with a $600 new PC no problem. Take to heart the suggestions of saving for a new rig. $600 can do the hardware now no problem, $800 can make an even better one (by a pretty big performance margin), and prices always go down.

Upgrading your current PC is like ricing a Yugo.