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I may have just helped kill a few people

silverpig

Lifer
[cliff's]
Some guy's ill-equipped minivan was stuck on a snowy road
Wife and I helped push the guy's car out and onto flat road
Guy has bald summer tires, doesn't know FWD from RWD, terrible driver
Wants to drive down very steep snowy hill into intersection with busy road
I feel a little guilty for helping him possibly kill someone later on because he can't drive
[/cliff's]


I live in Vancouver. We get snow every year, but not much. The past week we've had snow and cold temperatures very consistently, and while the main roads are fine, the side streets are skating rinks. Some people here know how to drive in those conditions (or are smart enough to know their limitations), some people have good tires, some people have chains. Some do not.

My wife and I were out for a walk and saw a minivan spinning its tires so we thought we'd go give the guy a hand. He obviously didn't know how to drive in the snow and was stuck trying to back up a very slight hill that was covered in compact snow. We went over and tried to push the car up the road while he drove... no dice. The tires were bald summer tires so he wasn't going anywhere. He said he had a chunk of carpet in the back of the minivan so we thought we'd try that. I grabbed the carpet and went to put it under the front tires.

"Uh, it's a rear wheel drive... back tires."

"Uh, no, it's not. Front wheel drive."

"I don't think so..."

"Yeah, it is. Those were the ones spinning. Trust me."

At this point I didn't have much confidence in the guy, but managed to convince him to let me put the carpet under the front tires. After several tries and getting snow shot all over me and my wife, we took a break and asked him which way he planned on going. He pointed north, down a street which ended with a very steep hill dead-ending in a T-intersection with a fairly busy road. I could just envision him flying down that hill, unable to stop, and slamming into someone.

I suggested that he not go that way as he'd end up flying right into traffic, or that he at least take a cab to a store to buy some tire chains. He didn't seem to like either suggestion and wanted us to keep helping him. We sighed and continued, and struggled.

Another passerby, dressed in a really nice Hugo Boss suit, jacket, scarf and some very expensive looking shoes came and helped us push this guy's minivan out of the snow. He too strongly urged some chains, but the guy was in a rush apparently.

After finally pushing him up on to a flat piece of road, my wife and I left, covered in snow, sweating, and wondering if we should have even helped the guy. He obviously was not prepared nor equipped to drive in those conditions and I can't help but think that perhaps the roads would have been a safer place without him on them.

We walked around a corner and saw the guy drive by on said busy road, so he made the hill okay, but he was sliding around a bit even on the slightly slushy but almost bare road.
 
Partizanen puf-puf <-- now that would be helping to kill some people

As for your situation - don't worry about it, chances are they'll end up in a ditch again rather soon.
 
So this is how you Vancouver foot collectors work.. using patsies driving around in the snow to take your victims
 
Originally posted by: Cabages
Cant be as bad as this.

LOL seen this before super hilarious. It's hard to believe people are THAT horrible at driving.

Those people would actually die in a fatal accident the first day they come where I live.

The conditions in that video are MAYBE worth of cancelling school busses but that's hit or miss but regular work resumes as normal, and in general people drive as normal. (though we have idiots here too)

Some people just don't get it.

Brakes = no no, in most cases
excessive gas = no no as well.

I pretty much picked up on those concepts naturally, without any special lessons. it's really physics common sense.
 
Originally posted by: Cabages
Cant be as bad as this.

Awesome, I really love it the idiots keep flooring it expecting it to do something but instead they just get more speed to crash into more vehicles.

Hopefully they get some nasty tickets.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Originally posted by: Cabages
Cant be as bad as this.

LOL seen this before super hilarious. It's hard to believe people are THAT horrible at driving.

Those people would actually die in a fatal accident the first day they come where I live.

The conditions in that video are MAYBE worth of cancelling school busses but that's hit or miss but regular work resumes as normal, and in general people drive as normal. (though we have idiots here too)

Some people just don't get it.

Brakes = no no, in most cases
excessive gas = no no as well.

I pretty much picked up on those concepts naturally, without any special lessons. it's really physics common sense.

:laugh: holy shit

btw
ice everywhere basically means no car will ever have control. It simply means driving on flat surfaces and being more skilled at keeping the car as close to controlled as possible, not that you're ever actually in complete control. 😛
Looks like that area is the opposite of flat, which should give people the idea that they will be sliding until they reach an incline or a fixed, stationary object, if of course they don't just bounce off - like was apparent in that video.
 
I live in Surrey dude, totally understand where you're coming from. Half the roads are uphill/downhill and EVERYONE thinks their 4x4 is hot shit.

 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Originally posted by: Cabages
Cant be as bad as this.

LOL seen this before super hilarious. It's hard to believe people are THAT horrible at driving.

Those people would actually die in a fatal accident the first day they come where I live.

The conditions in that video are MAYBE worth of cancelling school busses but that's hit or miss but regular work resumes as normal, and in general people drive as normal. (though we have idiots here too)

Some people just don't get it.

Brakes = no no, in most cases
excessive gas = no no as well.

I pretty much picked up on those concepts naturally, without any special lessons. it's really physics common sense.

Skill has nothing to do with it. Go down a steep ICY hill on normal tires = you're hosed, no matter what you drive.

And no, people where you live would NOT be able to do any better.

Although I will agree that Portland drivers in general are pretty bad in "winter" conditions, since they never see snow most of the time.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
:laugh: holy shit

btw
ice everywhere basically means no car will ever have control. It simply means driving on flat surfaces and being more skilled at keeping the car as close to controlled as possible, not that you're ever actually in complete control. 😛
Looks like that area is the opposite of flat, which should give people the idea that they will be sliding until they reach an incline or a fixed, stationary object, if of course they don't just bounce off - like was apparent in that video.
Yup, I've had the misfortune of being out "driving" on an iced-up highway. Traffic slowed to less than a walking pace. I started fishtailing a bit without applying any gas or brake pressure - just the sideways slope of the road was enough to do it.

Brakes or no brakes, unless you've got steel spikes on your tires, you're going to slide on ice like that. Driving skill doesn't matter.

If anyone there had a bag of salt, they might have been able to at least make a few breaks in the ice to stop cars from bouncing around any further.


 
Originally posted by: jagec
Skill has nothing to do with it. Go down a steep ICY hill on normal tires = you're hosed, no matter what you drive.

And no, people where you live would NOT be able to do any better.

Although I will agree that Portland drivers in general are pretty bad in "winter" conditions, since they never see snow most of the time.

Yep. This road was on a fairly slight yet noticeable incline. One the tires spat the carpet out the front, we'd continue for a few feet on momentum, and then the van would stop. I'd apply the brakes (stopped) and the van would start drifting back down the hill and off into the curb. It was pure sliding, the wheels weren't turning, I was doing nothing other than holding the brakes while stopped.
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-164378

video of silverpig
Hah, nice. Isn't there any salt in Oregon?

There's a road kind of like that near the campus here. It's the reason that tow truck companies in the local area stay in business.
Damn near every time it snows, there's at least one car off in the ditch by the side of the road. I've almost gotten stuck on it a few times. The last time, I was just about 15 feet from the crest of the hill, and my car had run out of momentum. I was crawling along, spinning the tires.

On campus property, there's an even steeper road. There is fortunately a back-route into campus with a much gentler slope. Back when I lived on campus, I had to take that back route nearly every time it snowed. The road surface was in terrible condition then, with cracks and bumps everywhere, and plows couldn't do a good job on it. My car simply couldn't handle it.


 
I guess I'm glad to live in one of the ridiculously flat areas of the country for once. We get tons of ice and snow, but no steep inclines. 😀
 
i was hoping that the aftermath of this would be a news article to his story but as you've written it I feel unsatisfied.
 
Originally posted by: wankawitz
So no one died but your afraid you might of lent a hand in killing a few people? I'm confused.

Well no one died yet... I may have just enabled someone to do it though. It's like you see someone struggling to open a box so you pull out your pocket knife and help them. They reach in and grab a gun, point it at their head to look down the barrel to see if it's loaded, then fire a round off in the air, and head off to the bar.
 
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