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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I can kinda see how such a law was passed, and understand that it just needs to be amended due to unforeseen consequences. When the original law was passed the legislators probably couldn't think of any good, sensible reason for a kid to bring a fake gun to school. They just saw it as a huge liability. They couldn't have predicted that a youth Marine with a practice drill rifle would fall into the net.
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Nope, that is a bullshit excuse. It is their JOB to make sure that the laws they are creating will work correctly.
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Isn't that what they're doing? They're amending it. Did you read the article? They said, oh, oops, looks like the original law wasn't perfect due to something we reasonably hadn't predicted back when we first passed it, so now we're going to amend it. That's what amendments are for - to keep up with the changing times and to correct for humans overlooking some of the angles in a world full of angles.

Just because it's their job doesn't mean they are always going to be perfect at performing it.
 
Maybe we should make firearm safety and use training mandatory in all schools. Then kids will know what real firearms look like.
 
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Maybe we should make firearm safety and use training mandatory in all schools. Then kids will know what real firearms look like.
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I'm intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Also, I think they used to do this in schools or at least for the boys.
 
Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: waggy
A student conduct handbook states a dangerous weapon includes "a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm."
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How is a fake gun a dangerous weapon?
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it might hurt the other student's feelings causing psychological trauma, requiring therapy for the rest of their lives.

edumacation at its best.
 
All of these zero tolerances policy need one change to make them at least semi-reasonable. Basically they need to mention intent.

There can be a baseline punishment regardless of intent to dissuade the behavior but the more severe punishments need to be looked at in terms of whether there was malicious intent.
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I can kinda see how such a law was passed, and understand that it just needs to be amended due to unforeseen consequences. When the original law was passed the legislators probably couldn't think of any good, sensible reason for a kid to bring a fake gun to school. They just saw it as a huge liability. They couldn't have predicted that a youth Marine with a practice drill rifle would fall into the net.
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Nope, that is a bullshit excuse. It is their JOB to make sure that the laws they are creating will work correctly.
Click to expand...

Isn't that what they're doing? They're amending it. Did you read the article? They said, oh, oops, looks like the original law wasn't perfect due to something we reasonably hadn't predicted back when we first passed it, so now we're going to amend it. That's what amendments are for - to keep up with the changing times and to correct for humans overlooking some of the angles in a world full of angles.

Just because it's their job doesn't mean they are always going to be perfect at performing it.
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"oops, let's go back and fix it" is not a good solution when they are having to do it on a regular basis. How many people's lives did this unnecessarily ruin before this person got the needed press?
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
I'm shocked that the legislature is actually looking to amend the statute. That makes way too much sense for government!

And the students afraid of fake drill rifles made with duct tape are fail.
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these are probably kids that have never seen a firearm except for on TV or in video games so they have no clue. it looks like a gun so therefore it is a gun.
 
Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: waggy
A student conduct handbook states a dangerous weapon includes "a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm."
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How is a fake gun a dangerous weapon?
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thats what i thought at first too, but keep reading. its completely opposite things yet the punishment is the same.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Maybe we should make firearm safety and use training mandatory in all schools. Then kids will know what real firearms look like.
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I'm intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Also, I think they used to do this in schools or at least for the boys.
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i think i had a hunter's safety course in school.

i think a basic gun safety course in school would be a great idea. teach kids that guns are not evil beings bent on our destruction. they are tools just like a hammer or a drill.
 
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I can kinda see how such a law was passed, and understand that it just needs to be amended due to unforeseen consequences. When the original law was passed the legislators probably couldn't think of any good, sensible reason for a kid to bring a fake gun to school. They just saw it as a huge liability. They couldn't have predicted that a youth Marine with a practice drill rifle would fall into the net.
Click to expand...

Nope, that is a bullshit excuse. It is their JOB to make sure that the laws they are creating will work correctly.
Click to expand...

Isn't that what they're doing? They're amending it. Did you read the article? They said, oh, oops, looks like the original law wasn't perfect due to something we reasonably hadn't predicted back when we first passed it, so now we're going to amend it. That's what amendments are for - to keep up with the changing times and to correct for humans overlooking some of the angles in a world full of angles.

Just because it's their job doesn't mean they are always going to be perfect at performing it.
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"oops, let's go back and fix it" is not a good solution when they are having to do it on a regular basis. How many people's lives did this unnecessarily ruin before this person got the needed press?
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I don't know how many people's lives were ruined. Do you? Maybe this was the first for that state. I see this as an example of our government working nearly perfectly. We make a mistake in one of our laws. The people harmed go through the proper channels to contest it. The legislature acknowledges the need and changes it for the benefit of all. The aggrieved can then hopefully go back to their normal lives, minus a misunderstanding and some time lost, with hardly a blemish on their records. Certainly better than the family going crazy and getting litigation-happy (which they would have lost anyway if a strict interpretation of the law was followed).
 
Originally posted by: Chryso
Originally posted by: waggy
A student conduct handbook states a dangerous weapon includes "a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm."
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How is a fake gun a dangerous weapon?
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Same way the crime is greater to bandish an unloaded one.

A loaded gun can be used for defense...an unloaded/fake gun can only be used as a threat.

I don't agree with this ruling nor the sensationalism of how scared people were to secure three unattended rifles.
 
Zero tolerance is the suck. I suppose the good part in all of this is perhaps the laws will be changed to allow people the use of common sense.
 
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