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I love skiing. Ways to go faster? Biffed at 47mph today.

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So to answer your questions.

Yes, I've gone skiing 4 times (8 days). Last 4 days have been racking up 20,000ft+ in elevation change, skipping lunch, just snacking on power bars up the lifts. I can ski parallel without thinking. I can stop whenever I want given enough stopping distance. I never learned the wedge - just started on parallel because that's what my friends told me to do and the wedge is both slow and tiring. I can't do moguls very well because I can't get the timing right yet, and I don't like them anyway. My friends, especially the very experienced ones, are surprised at my ability considering this is my first season, and I believe that skiing with more advanced friends have helped me a ton. Last time we went my friend pointed at a guy. He's got his skis kind wide, tips pointed a bit inward, but he's doing side to side carves, albeit traveling slowly and the side to side transition is not very elegant, but at least he's not wedging. "See that? That's what I would expect from someone's who's only skiid 3 times."

First 2 weekends I was crashing all over the place but this trial by fire has helped a lot in the learning process. I now keep up no problem on regular, non mogul runs with skiiers who have 10 years under their belt. I can almost ski with my knees completely stuck together, but I widen my stance and drop down lower while leaning forward for the fast stuff. I never have issues with crossing my skis or not going parallel. I have the hip movement and the alternating left and right mostly down now. I can pick up someone's fallen pole from the ground in the middle of a carve without really thinking. If I slide over something weird that destabilizes me I can usually lift one ski, ski on the other ski for a second or so while I work on replanting the lifted ski. When I'm making a sharp turn at 45mph I'm just a couple feet above the ground due to my lean. Yes, I know, these are all just beginner skills and skill level can only be measured by the time you've spent skiing. No way could a guy who's skied so few times be better than someone who has skied a year or more. There's no room for natural ability in this. Hard work and not being afraid to fall over and over and over and over also have nothing to do with this.

Skiid blacks all day today and fell twice. Once was the unexpected jump due to my lenses, another was as I was initiating a carve and I suddenly hit a patch of solid ice so I slid out. Previous day I fell doing a half pipe, almost fell doing some moguls, and another time trying to avoid an entire line of about 5 people literally just sitting in the middle of the run where only the outer edge of the run was clear. Some other people proceeded to crash after me due to the obstruction.

I like to stick to faster runs with no beginners and people who can at least ski quickly. Flame on.

4 times. Scary that you think you're so good after 4 times. What happens when you're going 60 mph and somebody carves right into your path?

You had the same attitude with your motorcycle. You even told us about several narrow escapes and your inexperience eventually led you to an accident where you could have lost your life.

I foresee the same thing happening with skiing with your attitude.
 
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How do you know your actual speed? haha

I'd be curious to know how fast I go when I snowboard.

I have a helmet cam that plots your ski course on an overhead google map with statistics for speed and elevation. Not exactly as accurate as a radar gun but cheaper and does a good enough job.
 
You're trying to do too much, too soon. You did the same thing when you got your Ninja. You took a sport bike trail riding and beached it. If those guys hadn't happened by it'd probably still be there. Like others have said: Control first, then Speed. Keep in mind that skiers don't have rearview mirrors, they have no idea you are coming up behind them and WILL change direction at random. Its YOUR job to avoid them.
 
this is how people get hurt or killed. you dont seem to be a very good judge of your abilities. for your sake i hope you dont end up injuring someone else.
 
First off, learn to ski in control. Please. I know its exhilarating to go fast, but doing it the way you are is going to get someone hurt. Join a racing league or find a mountain where they have a closed/limited access trail for racing practise.

A nice story to think about: I was skiing one day at Mount Sunapee in NH (I'm originally from right near there). There is a trail called Blast Off (Upper and Lower). Between upper and lower is a cross trail. The first part of Upper Blast Off is fantastic for flying down the hill. People who know the mountain know to let 1 person go at a time, wait, then go (so there is a line sometimes). But the catch is you have to slow down before you hit the cross trail. A lot of people don't. I was coming down Upper Blast Off in sight of the cross trail when some guy blew past me and creamed a little kid. The kid was not good. I later learned he had several broken bones. Moral of the story: know the lay of the trail, and know where you need to be in control (ie, going slow).

TLDR: You are still a newb. By going fast like you are describing, you are becoming a noob. Get in control on populated slopes, go wild on closed courses. And for the love of whatever you consider holy, don't blame your goggles. YOU screwed up, not your goggles, YOU.
 
OP, my 3rd or 4th time skiing, I went down a double diamond. Almost made it too! I *thought* I was good. I was going to hit it again, but on the way up the lift, I watched a much better skier than me wipe out. He proceeded to take out a snow maker, then bounced into the woods where he snapped a sapling in half; I assume things in him were snapping in half as well. I'm not sure if he lived. I've never been back down that double diamond slope (it's simply a very steep sheet of ice with moguls.) It exists merely for people to say "I made it down that slope." There's no real enjoyment other than that. But, the important thing is that I realized that my ability level wasn't what I thought it was, and it was just a matter of luck that it wasn't me who was seriously injured (or dead.)

Since then, I've gotten a lot wiser. When I get a season pass (didn't this year,) I always take the one hour lesson each night that comes with the pass. I've skied for 27 years and STILL take the lessons when I can. There's always someone better who can teach you something, or at least can help you improve your form. I'd consider myself a rather graceful skier, and *always* in control.

You said::"another was as I was initiating a carve and I suddenly hit a patch of solid ice so I slid out" = not in control. "...and another time trying to avoid an entire line of about 5 people literally just sitting in the middle of the run where only the outer edge of the run was clear. Some other people proceeded to crash after me due to the obstruction." = You are a dangerous skier. A stationary obstacle caused you to crash?! What if they were rookie skiers who suddenly veered into your path (while you were skiing at an excessive speed)?

Unless, as most of the experienced skiers in this thread have pointed out, you stop skiing above your level of ability, you're going to hurt yourself or someone else.

Got some feedback from a friend of mine(patroller) who responded to the accident. It happened at the bottom of the run where the trail splits towards Yoedler. Lost it where it narrows at high speed and went into the trees just above the upper patrol room. Patrol was there in less than 2 minutes. The guy wasn't wearing a helmet but it wouldn't matter. He died instantly of head trauma and massive chest injuries. Family members at the sceene said he was going to do one last run while they were done for the day. Ironic, it was certainly his last run.
I've gone through that section hundreds of times. A novice would think that it's too wide to wind up in the trees. Here's the run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnkmT496tL4 That's enough for someone to die on. And, you're trying to hit 60mph?! Here's a hint: if you can't ski through a course like this at that speed, you are out of control at that speed. Watch what happens at about the 12:40 point - idiot on snowboard enters the course and racer needs to avoid an accident. If he follows his intended line, two people are going to the hospital. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mpVx1lqxOo&t=12m29s
 
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Wrong. I'll vouch for the OP on this one. Orange has a tendency to do that under certain conditions. They make different colored and different shaded lenses for a reason. I have pair of goggles that allow you to swap lenses to adjust for different light and snow conditions as well as day/night skiing.

I have those as well, but I contend that it's the OP's carelessness in general, and unwarranted hubris on the slopes that is the real threat to his (and others') success.
 
lol 4 times and you're already trying to go faster than most road speed limits, on skis? Get more experience first before you try. You hit something at 60mph, even just a branch, and you'll be in a world of pain, possibly lost limbs, or possibly find yourself in front of St. Peter's desk.
 
I have those as well, but I contend that it's the OP's carelessness in general, and unwarranted hubris on the slopes that is the real threat to his (and others') success.

Completely agree. Even a pair of $250 polarized Zeals won't help you ski better if you still can't see shit.
 
Holy thread backfire batman.

I don't know shit about skiing, but just the op's story made me think of sonny bono.

How fast do competitive downhill skiers generally travel?
 
lol 4 times and you're already trying to go faster than most road speed limits, on skis? Get more experience first before you try. You hit something at 60mph, even just a branch, and you'll be in a world of pain, possibly lost limbs, or possibly find yourself in front of St. Peter's desk.

What if he's a Hindu?
 
Holy thread backfire batman.

I don't know shit about skiing, but just the op's story made me think of sonny bono.

How fast do competitive downhill skiers generally travel?

from here
http://www.trails.com/facts_9654_how-fast-do-downhill-skiers.html

Much more common is downhill ski racing with turns. Speeds on these courses averaged 40 to 50 mph, and 80 mph and up at the Olympic level. 96.6 miles per hour is the top recorded speed during a downhill competition to date. It was set by Klaus Kroell of Austria on the Lauberhorn course in Wengen, Switzerland.


having actually given more thought to this, if you were truly goin 47mph i cant beleive for a second you were in controll at all. the fast even for someone like myself who has been skiing since age 3,
 
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I have skiied over 1,000 day in my life. Probably more. I raced for years as a kid. Now do mainly weekend freestyle skiing.

What is the fun in going 60mph in a straight line?

Skiing is much more fun, hitting the bumps, tree lines and even the terrain parks. There really is no reason to go that fast and there are too many things that can go wrong resulting in a simply horrible accident.
 
What if he's a Hindu?

Depends on whether he injures someone else or not. If he does, he'll be reincarnated as a starving kid with AIDS in Africa. If not, he'll be reincarnated as an Asian American with overbearing parents who mess him up to the point where he engages in weird and anti-social behavior...


Ok, so 45-60 mph is about the floor for competitive downhill racing? And, OP is achieving these speeds after a couple of ski trips?

Dumb.
 
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I have skiied over 1,000 day in my life. Probably more. I raced for years as a kid. Now do mainly weekend freestyle skiing.

What is the fun in going 60mph in a straight line?

Skiing is much more fun, hitting the bumps, tree lines and even the terrain parks. There really is no reason to go that fast and there are too many things that can go wrong resulting in a simply horrible accident.

meh ive skiied equally as much as you, personally i get much more enjoyment out of long runs with large sweeping turns taken at speed. i was never a terrain park person, id rather just carve. i basically ski everything like im running an invisible super G
 
Depends on whether he injures someone else or not. If he does, he'll be reincarnated as a starving kid with AIDS in Africa. If not, he'll be reincarnated as an Asian American with overbearing parents who mess him up to the point where he engages in weird and anti-social behavior...

Are you trying to say that FBB has already been reincarnated?
 
meh ive skiied equally as much as you, personally i get much more enjoyment out of long runs with large sweeping turns taken at speed. i was never a terrain park person, id rather just carve. i basically ski everything like im running an invisible super G

Even in big bowls, I would guess you aren't hitting 45 mph+.

Carves take a lot out and powder takes a lot out. I ski fast and would say that is around 15-20mph on a powder day. On the groomers obviously you can hit a lot more but what's the fun in skiing frontside?
 
Definitely pick up a helmet. You got to be careful when bombing runs.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/28/us-ski-deaths-idUSTRE6BR03120101228

Craig Shirley, 23, was snowboarding at a high rate of speed Friday afternoon at a ski area south of Casper, Wyoming, when he slammed into Elise Johnson, 5, and her mother, 31-year-old Kelli Johnson, authorities said.

Elise Johnson and Shirley died of blunt force trauma. Kelli Johnson suffered a head injury and was in stable condition at a Casper hospital, Natrona County Coroner Connie Jacobson said.

$85 doesn't sound that bad. Isn't Mammoth like $100 for a lift ticket. Or is it $85 for an off peak day?

If you want to go faster, you'd probably want to tune your skis properly. There's a powder that you can coat the bottom of your board/skis that will give you a boost in speed but I think it lasts 1 or 2 runs max.

http://www.racewax.com/category/tuning-tips.fluoro-powder-application/
 
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