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Insane3D

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Live Free or Die Baby!!

Cameras, seat belts, luxury taxes all lose
By TOM FAHEY
State House Bureau Chief
Telephone Credit Union

CONCORD ? The New Hampshire House yesterday set aside bills that would have allowed cameras to catch red light violators, mandate seat belt use by adults and study a luxury tax yesterday.

Privacy advocates won the day in their fight against the bill that would have allowed cities to install electronic monitors at red lights. The monitors take photos of license plates on cars that run red lights.

Car owners would have been responsible for a fine whether or not they were behind the wheel. Cities would have to pass ordinances allowing the cameras. The Department of Safety would have been allowed to install the devices at intersections on state highways.

Violations caught by the cameras would not be counted as points on a person's drivers license.

The House Transportation Committee recommended the bill, 14-0, but it fell far short of passing, defeated 217-99. A parliamentary move to "indefinitely postpone," the bill passed by a voice vote, meaning the idea cannot be introduced again during this two-year legislative session.

Members also voted down a bill that would have made seat belt use mandatory for all adults in a car, driver and passengers. Those who opposed the bill said New Hampshire's seat belt use rate is not too far off that of neighboring states that require their use by law. The bill, HB 705, was killed 180-124.

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:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.
 
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.

How's the air up there? Is it hard to meet people being so superior to all the "stupid" ones?

Wearing a seatbelt, and not supporting a law FORCING me to do so are not mutually exclusive sunshine...

:roll:

 
So you guys think it's cool for the state to tell people what to do? You are aware red light cameras don't have much of an effect on reducing accidents right?

Man, I'm glad you guys don't live here...
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
So you guys think it's cool for the state to tell people what to do? You are aware red light cameras don't have much of an effect on reducing accidents right?

Man, I'm glad you guys don't live here...

I thought i was in P&N for a second...
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.

How's the air up there? Is it hard to meet people being so superior to all the "stupid" ones?

Wearing a seatbelt, and not supporting a law FORCING me to do so are not mutually exclusive sunshine...

:roll:

Well, you're not as stupid as I originally thought, but I still say more power to the rest of your state that you so much love. Like I said, :thumbsup: for killing off the stupid people. Go ahead and "rejoice" about being a mini rebel and not conforming to the "man". Seatbelts should be mandatory regardless of what state you reside in.
 
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.

How's the air up there? Is it hard to meet people being so superior to all the "stupid" ones?

Wearing a seatbelt, and not supporting a law FORCING me to do so are not mutually exclusive sunshine...

:roll:

Well, you're not as stupid as I originally thought, but I still say more power to the rest of your state that you so much love. Like I said, :thumbsup: for killing off the stupid people. Go ahead and "rejoice" about being a mini rebel and not conforming to the "man". Seatbelts should be mandatory regardless of what state you reside in.

Why? Why should they be mandatory? Say I don't wear a seatbelt, crash and die. Who exactly am I hurting? Why should the state tell me how to protect myself? That's what you call nanny state laws. I don't think the role of government includes telling me what's best. Should there be a law that I can only eat healthy foods and I have to exercise 1 hour per day?
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
So you guys think it's cool for the state to tell people what to do? You are aware red light cameras don't have much of an effect on reducing accidents right?

Man, I'm glad you guys don't live here...

If anything, the cameras make things worse, especially around here, since people love to tailgate, and when you get someone who stops short on a yellow so they don't get a ticket, the tailgater hits them.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.

How's the air up there? Is it hard to meet people being so superior to all the "stupid" ones?

Wearing a seatbelt, and not supporting a law FORCING me to do so are not mutually exclusive sunshine...

:roll:

Well, you're not as stupid as I originally thought, but I still say more power to the rest of your state that you so much love. Like I said, :thumbsup: for killing off the stupid people. Go ahead and "rejoice" about being a mini rebel and not conforming to the "man". Seatbelts should be mandatory regardless of what state you reside in.

Why? Why should they be mandatory? Say I don't wear a seatbelt, crash and die. Who exactly am I hurting? Why should the state tell me how to protect myself? That's what you call nanny state laws. I don't think the role of government includes telling me what's best. Should there be a law that I can only eat healthy foods and I have to exercise 1 hour per day?

Like I said, if you crash and your body goes through the window into a bloody pile on the freeway...I could care less. You have every right to not think the government shouldn't tell you to do anything....I just won't miss ya when you're gone.

 
Agreed on the red light cameras...

🙂

Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Or the one looking for an argument. Perhaps saying "dense" was a little premature.
 
I always wear my seltbelt.

However, I don't believe it is the goverments job to tell I have to wear it.

I don't need them telling me I can't use my cell phone while driving. I don't need them telling me to do anything.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Agreed on the red light cameras...

🙂

Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Pyonir is a good guy, and no offense to him, but I could also care less what he says about you. Im just tired of people running around screaming about how the government is edging into your business...know whats good for you and stfu already.

My point is this, you would agree that seatbelts are good and that they save people? Hopefully you also agree that it would be a benefit to anyone who is driving or in a car to have a seabelt on? You're so fvcking hell bent on the fact that the government is telling YOU what to do. Get overselves already, who fvcking cares.

And don't take my last statement and spin it into some hypothetical bullsh!t about how I should care if the government tells me I have to exercise 1 hour everyday...they're so completely different it isn't even funny. Of course I would care if the government did that...but it isn't the same thing.
 
Don't come to NJ. Seat belt is MANDATORY law! You had better wear one or else the police will pull you over! That's how it should be IMO. Cell phone use while driving is against the law as well.
 
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Or the one looking for an argument. Perhaps saying "dense" was a little premature.

Seems to me you are the only one arguing...but hey.

I'm was actually looking for a civil discussion, but the first poster started off calling me "stupid" without even knowing me...followed by you calling me dense in the other thread because I misunderstood your humor.

Can you give me a hand...my memory is going...did I hurl any insults your way, or toward the guy who called me stupid? Hmmm...I don't think I did. Sory I'm the one "looking for an argument".

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Or the one looking for an argument. Perhaps saying "dense" was a little premature.

Seems to me you are the only one arguing...but hey.

I'm was actually looking for a civil discussion, but the first poster started off calling me "stupid" without even knowing me...followed by you calling me dense in the other thread because I misunderstood your humor.

Can you give me a hand...my memory is going...did I hurl any insults your way, or toward the guy who called me stupid? Hmmm...I don't think I did. Sory I'm the one "looking for an argument".

🙂

I assumed you didn't wear a seatbelt, inwhich case that is true?...I have no problem calling you stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Sory I'm the one "looking for an argument".

So you expected a thread like this one to be a civil discussion? On ATOT? With "LIVE FREE OR DIE" written before the article? Wow. Ok. I guess i misunderstood you. I'm done. You can have your civil discussion now. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: 95SS

If anything, the cameras make things worse, especially around here, since people love to tailgate, and when you get someone who stops short on a yellow so they don't get a ticket, the tailgater hits them.


I knew when I clicked on your profile that I was going to see the state of Oregon. You folks have gone way too far with the cameras.

Was going from Portland or Milwaukie to Cornelius and noticed all the drivers were actually stopping for the light at the metered on-ramps. Never seen that before. Figured out later that there are cameras all over that place.

You folks drive too slow. Ya'll need to lose those cameras.

I wear a seatbelt, but a law requiring those over the age of about 23 to do so seems a bit silly to me.
 
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Agreed on the red light cameras...

🙂

Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Pyonir is a good guy, and no offense to him, but I could also care less what he says about you. Im just tired of people running around screaming about how the government is edging into your business...know whats good for you and stfu already.

My point is this, you would agree that seatbelts are good and that they save people? Hopefully you also agree that it would be a benefit to anyone who is driving or in a car to have a seabelt on? You're so fvcking hell bent on the fact that the government is telling YOU what to do. Get overselves already, who fvcking cares.

And don't take my last statement and spin it into some hypothetical bullsh!t about how I should care if the government tells me I have to exercise 1 hour everyday...they're so completely different it isn't even funny. Of course I would care if the government did that...but it isn't the same thing.



You sure make a lot of assumptions. You start off by calling me stupid, and now you're telling me I'm "hell bent" about this. I guess a civil discussion is out between you an me on this subject if you are going to just keep replying like that...

Let's just agree to disagree...

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Agreed on the red light cameras...

🙂

Of course, you might not want to agree with me...pyonir says I'm the most dense person on ATOT tonight...

😉

Pyonir is a good guy, and no offense to him, but I could also care less what he says about you. Im just tired of people running around screaming about how the government is edging into your business...know whats good for you and stfu already.

My point is this, you would agree that seatbelts are good and that they save people? Hopefully you also agree that it would be a benefit to anyone who is driving or in a car to have a seabelt on? You're so fvcking hell bent on the fact that the government is telling YOU what to do. Get overselves already, who fvcking cares.

And don't take my last statement and spin it into some hypothetical bullsh!t about how I should care if the government tells me I have to exercise 1 hour everyday...they're so completely different it isn't even funny. Of course I would care if the government did that...but it isn't the same thing.



You sure make a lot of assumptions. You start off by calling me stupid, and now you're telling me I'm "hell bent" about this. I guess a civil discussion is out between you an me on this subject if you are going to just keep replying like that...

So you guys think it's cool for the state to tell people what to do? You are aware red light cameras don't have much of an effect on reducing accidents right?

Man, I'm glad you guys don't live here...

Why? Why should they be mandatory? Say I don't wear a seatbelt, crash and die. Who exactly am I hurting? Why should the state tell me how to protect myself? That's what you call nanny state laws. I don't think the role of government includes telling me what's best. Should there be a law that I can only eat healthy foods and I have to exercise 1 hour per day?

:roll:

Let's just agree to disagree...

🙂

what a cop out, have a gn.
 
The problem I have with the arguments against seatbelt usage are the assumption that most folks have that if they don't use one, are in a serious accident and die, who cares?

Me, I don't care. But what I do care about is if you don't die.

You don't die and have astronomical medical bills to heal you, or maybe not "heal" you. Just keep you alive and in a state where you are unable to work and provide for yourself. Maybe in a state where you are just being kept alive for years.

Who pays for all this?

Lot's of scenarios here. You might say well my insurance will pay. They will, up to a certain amount. Then who pays, the state? That's my tax dollars supporting you on a breathing tube with a feeding tube in your stomach. Remember, your attitude was it's my decision. If I don't want to wear a seat belt I don't have to wear one. But now your decision is affecting me.

Maybe your family will hire an attorney and succesfully sue someone, some company or corporation for your injuries in the accident. Where does that money come from? Out of everyone's pockets.

I won't go on any further, but you see the point I'm making. And, yes I know there are a lot of counter arguments to these points.
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid...but more power to you. The less stupid people I have to come in contact with the better....:thumbsup: on killing yourselves.

How's the air up there? Is it hard to meet people being so superior to all the "stupid" ones?

Wearing a seatbelt, and not supporting a law FORCING me to do so are not mutually exclusive sunshine...

:roll:

Well, you're not as stupid as I originally thought, but I still say more power to the rest of your state that you so much love. Like I said, :thumbsup: for killing off the stupid people. Go ahead and "rejoice" about being a mini rebel and not conforming to the "man". Seatbelts should be mandatory regardless of what state you reside in.

Why? Why should they be mandatory? Say I don't wear a seatbelt, crash and die. Who exactly am I hurting? Why should the state tell me how to protect myself? That's what you call nanny state laws. I don't think the role of government includes telling me what's best. Should there be a law that I can only eat healthy foods and I have to exercise 1 hour per day?

As long as the people in NH are willing to pay all the bills that come with having freedom, more power to them.

 
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