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Well, finally, a company gets it.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/18/8999185/street-fighter-5-free-characters

Street Fighter 5 will feature two types of in-game currency: Fight Money, which players can earn by playing the game, and Zenny, which can be purchased with real money. Both can be used to purchase new content, like add-on characters.
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So, it sounds like you can pay for the DLC or earn it!

I hope the people that made Mortal Kombat X are listening. I wanted your game for years until I read about the DLC crap. I spent $0 on it instead of $60 so good work.

I'm not even a fan of Street Fighter but this DLC plan might force me to buy it.
 
Uh...MK X extra characters aren't required and you could unlock things by playing. You don't know the game if you say otherwise, the crypt can be unlocked totally from playing the game. how much you wanna bet there will be a Super Street Fighter 5 with new characters and you'll have to buy them. Capcom always does that.


What it really sounds like is you wanted to make a thread to say how much you hate MKX instead of posting in the other thread. So lets get it straight, you wanted Mortal Kombat for a long time but because there are optional characters that you have to pay for you refuse to buy it but you don't want Street Fighter and you think you'll buy it anyway even knowing Capcom's past with the series with multiple versions of the game that are retail releases (luckily Ultra had an upgrade option). Makes no sense. You may as well not buy another game ever again because they almost always have optional DLC.
 
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Uhh...how is this new? It's what happens in Forza Motorsport 5. Halo 5's Req Packs are doing it. Many mobile games function on this concept. It's actually a not-uncommon form of microtransaction.

You love Capcom for having a phone marketplace mentality?
 
It's a reason I never bought mk. I owned a ps4 for a little while and realized I wasn't going to buy games for 60 then pay more for the full version so I sold the ps4. I understand some people value gaming more than I do. It's a relatively cheap hobby but not worth it to me.
 
cmdrdredd said:
Uh...MK X extra characters aren't required and you could unlock things by playing. You don't know the game if you say otherwise, the crypt can be unlocked totally from playing the game. how much you wanna bet there will be a Super Street Fighter 5 with new characters and you'll have to buy them. Capcom always does that.


What it really sounds like is you wanted to make a thread to say how much you hate MKX instead of posting in the other thread. So lets get it straight, you wanted Mortal Kombat for a long time but because there are optional characters that you have to pay for you refuse to buy it but you don't want Street Fighter and you think you'll buy it anyway even knowing Capcom's past with the series with multiple versions of the game that are retail releases (luckily Ultra had an upgrade option). Makes no sense. You may as well not buy another game ever again because they almost always have optional DLC.
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This. You are the only one losing out OP. MKX is great. Probably one of the best fighting games I've played in awhile.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
It's a reason I never bought mk. I owned a ps4 for a little while and realized I wasn't going to buy games for 60 then pay more for the full version so I sold the ps4. I understand some people value gaming more than I do. It's a relatively cheap hobby but not worth it to me.
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This is an argument that is just plane false. The game you buy for $60 is the full game. Everything else is optional. I can't believe people actually try to make this irrational statement about a game's price.
 
cmdrdredd said:
This is an argument that is just plane false. The game you buy for $60 is the full game. Everything else is optional. I can't believe people actually try to make this irrational statement about a game's price.
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Just because a game is released at $60 doesn't mean it's a good amount of content for the price, "full game" or not.

Rory McIlroy PGA Tour just released for $60 with 8 real-life courses, 12 playable professionals, and a completely stripped-down player creator (you can't even give your golfer facial hair). It's the full game they intended to release, but that doesn't mean it's a joke that should have been priced at about $25.

No idea if that's how Mortal Kombat X is, the content amount might be good for it, no idea. However, the defense "it's a full game," just never sits well with me, going back to Forza 5's lack of content, relative to every other game in the series in recent history.
 
Lil Frier said:
Just because a game is released at $60 doesn't mean it's a good amount of content for the price, "full game" or not.

Rory McIlroy PGA Tour just released for $60 with 8 real-life courses, 12 playable professionals, and a completely stripped-down player creator (you can't even give your golfer facial hair). It's the full game they intended to release, but that doesn't mean it's a joke that should have been priced at about $25.

No idea if that's how Mortal Kombat X is, the content amount might be good for it, no idea. However, the defense "it's a full game," just never sits well with me, going back to Forza 5's lack of content, relative to every other game in the series in recent history.
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You're taking around the point. The game you buy for $60 is the whole game. Nothing else released as optional content matters to that point. Your subjective view about perceived value does not change that.

You need to separate your perceived value from what is the whole game at release.
 
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cmdrdredd said:
You're taking around the point. The game you buy for $60 is the whole game. Nothing else released as optional content matters to that point. Your subjective view about perceived value does not change that.

You need to separate your perceived value from what is the whole game at release.
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No, because it's all relative to individual perspective. You don't necessarily know what you're getting into when you buy a game, from a content perspective. We usually get leaks and reviews, but that's not always the case.

I'm not arguing whether or not the game is complete. I'm saying I don't believe it warrants $60 or not, regardless of DLC. Forza 5's lack of content irritated me on an overall level. Halving the content of Forza 4, it made the same shallow and too redundant for my liking. Rory McIlroy, same story. I can't get enjoyment out of 8 golf courses for very long. I could rent the game for 5 nights at Family Video, spend $7, and have experienced everything it has in that time.

I mean, we're talking about opinions here, and you're telling me to separate my perception from that. I didn't say the game's unfinished or paid DLC ruins it or should be banned. I said that given the amount of content, I don't find $60 a justifiable price tag. Not sure what the issue is there. I'm not talking around a point, I'm stating my opinion about that point.
 
Lil Frier said:
No, because it's all relative to individual perspective. You don't necessarily know what you're getting into when you buy a game, from a content perspective. We usually get leaks and reviews, but that's not always the case.

I'm not arguing whether or not the game is complete. I'm saying I don't believe it warrants $60 or not, regardless of DLC. Forza 5's lack of content irritated me on an overall level. Halving the content of Forza 4, it made the same shallow and too redundant for my liking. Rory McIlroy, same story. I can't get enjoyment out of 8 golf courses for very long. I could rent the game for 5 nights at Family Video, spend $7, and have experienced everything it has in that time.

I mean, we're talking about opinions here, and you're telling me to separate my perception from that. I didn't say the game's unfinished or paid DLC ruins it or should be banned. I said that given the amount of content, I don't find $60 a justifiable price tag. Not sure what the issue is there. I'm not talking around a point, I'm stating my opinion about that point.
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Any of what you call lack of content doesn't matter. The game released at retail is the full game whether you like it or not. This has been done to death in various threads and the answer is always the same. The game, at retail, for $60, is the full game. That's the point and you went arguing against it even though you say you aren't.

The fact will always remain that a retail game is always the whole game. Optional extra content is just that, optional extra content. You can argue value or whether a game is worth it to you until your fingers fall off from fatigue. Someone says "I am not going to buy half a game for $60". No you aren't, you're buying the whole game. If you don't want it don't buy it. This crazy idea that optional DLC that when purchased somehow makes the game a full game is false. It's just adding on to the full game for people who like the game enough and want more stuff.
 
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I love Capcom too! Until I remember their history of being a terrible company and milking franchises and fans dead. Hey, wonder why arcades in the US are dead? Because in order to buy a SF4 cab it cost $22,000 AND you could only by two at a time. But, free DLC totally makes up for that and Megaman being cancelled.
 
cmdredd,

If I can get all the AVP characters for free, then it is a failure on the MK X advertising team. Fire them all. The day it came out I read about it and said screw 'em. If this changed, too little to late I guess because any propaganda, I was not listening to.

Control the message!

And no CMDredd, if I get a free app on my phone (which I don't) ... fine microtransactions. If I pay $60 for Forza, I want all of Forza. I actually opted for the PS4 over the XBone over Forza, nothing more. And a hate over the Netflix app fiasco that should never have occurred. MSFT had to win me to keep me over two issues They fixed netflix but failed on Forza. F' em.
 
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cmdrdredd said:
The game, at retail, for $60, is the full game. That's the point and you went arguing against it even though you say you aren't.
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Point out where. Get the words.

Things I ACTUALLY said:

"Just because a game is released at $60 doesn't mean it's a good amount of content for the price."

"the defense "it's a full game," just never sits well with me"

"I'm not arguing whether or not the game is complete. I'm saying I don't believe it warrants $60 or not, regardless of DLC."

I never said it wasn't the full game. I basically said that the full game is too short and not worth the money, and that's my opinion of the matter. I didn't say content was held back to sell. All I said is that some games have released with an amount of content I don't believe is suitable to the price tag. That's not a statement of suspected nefarious publisher planning, it's a statement that a shallow game can get boring.
 
If anyone cares, I'm not buying the new EA golf game this year even though I'd like to get a gold game.

20 years of golf games. The fewest number of courses ever in that time period. Pathetic. Maybe next year.
 
IHateMyJob2004 said:
Well, finally, a company gets it.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/18/8999185/street-fighter-5-free-characters



So, it sounds like you can pay for the DLC or earn it!

I hope the people that made Mortal Kombat X are listening. I wanted your game for years until I read about the DLC crap. I spent $0 on it instead of $60 so good work.

I'm not even a fan of Street Fighter but this DLC plan might force me to buy it.
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Usually when I hear an announcement like this, the general idea is great but the devil is in the details. Expect the in game currency price for getting all these characters to be some huge astronomical number number not at all practical for your typical gamer. This won't be like Soul Calibur 2 kind of unlocking characters.
 
I will take the old days when they didn't release the game in little parts over time, but released a complete game. But I am living in the past it seems.
 
Sonikku said:
Usually when I hear an announcement like this, the general idea is great but the devil is in the details. Expect the in game currency price for getting all these characters to be some huge astronomical number number not at all practical for your typical gamer. This won't be like Soul Calibur 2 kind of unlocking characters.
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I think it will be similar to League of Legends style "play to unlock" where it would take thousands of hours to unlock everything anything.
 
Honestly this is one time I really really like DLC. I mean, most of the fighting games I play now are sequels or reboots. Actually let me take that back, all the fighting games I play WITH OTHER PEOPLE are sequels or reboots. I mean I will play Skullgirls by myself, but if I am going to play an old friend it's in Street Fighter _, Tekken _, Tekken vs Street Fighter, etc. Point is we know the characters from 16 or 32 bit days and we want to play with who we want to play with.

There is nothing more annoying then getting a fighting game and in that particular sequel/reboot/mashup/etc. your favorite character is one you have to unlock. At the core I don't want to play THE GAME, aka arcade mode vs a bunch of CPU players and some cheesy story cutscenes at the end. I just want VS mode with all the characters to play my friends.

Back in the day that meant quickly running through on easy or something to fill the lineup, which really is a waste of time. Now I just pay $5 or whatever extra for the DLC to unlock everyone and the first time I play that game me or my friends can pick whoever we want. It is an improvement in my gaming experience, in a very freemium way (pay to skip ahead).
 
Console game prices have been static (for the most part) for a couple of decades now. Yet our expectations of games has increased exponentially.

The fact that developers/publishers want to get more money really doesn't bother me. As a matter of fact, I much prefer today's optional DLC model to just a straight up price increase.

As a reasonable human being, I don't unanimously oppose or support DLC. It completely depends on the game and the circumstance. For instance:

Shadow of Mordor... A phenomenal game, and when I completed it, I wanted more... So I bought the DLC. (Which was a mixed bag, to be generous.)
Forza 5 and Horizon 2... Both awesome games. I bought some DLC, depending on my interest in the cars offered, but certainly not all.
Ryse... I really liked this game, but wasn't interested in the DLC whatsoever.
NHL and Madden... My favorite genre. I buy these two games every year, no matter what. But I have never bought any of the DLC (points/coins/whatever). It just doesn't interest me.

I view it the same as buying any other consumer product. If I'm buying a laptop, a car, or a burrito... I weigh each of my different options with my budget and their worth to me. At Chipotle, I don't walk out after proclaiming, "You charge more for guacamole? If I'm going to buy a burrito, I want the full version!"
 
Reminds me of my favorite Amazon review for MKX:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3UF8TSW9I9M3A/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00KOOUVNI

In all serious, I agree with the sentiment that DLC, F2P, microtransactions, whatever aren't inherently bad. There are plenty of examples of studios who have released games that are absolutely worth the price of the base model and the price they charge for DLC. There are also plenty of examples of studios who've done a crap job and released overpriced garbage.

Fighting games have always been a tough sell at Day 1 MSRP price points, IMO. Unless you're a EVO professional, you don't really need the latest release. They generally don't have single player campaigns worth playing. There's a bunch of F2P fighters out there, in addition to stuff I've gotten via PS+ or Xbox Live Gold. Hard to justify paying full price of admission for any fighting game if you're a casual.
 
Guys DLC is inevitable.

Games haven't increased in price in what, over 10 years, despite inflation. This means your $60 game costs less than it did to make 10 years ago, but costs the studio far more to make. New games would probably be hitting over $75 if they were adjusted for inflation.

Regarding Street Fighter 5, the problem with that approach is when it has been used before, it has required hours of grind time in order to unlock anything. Personally I'll wait for the inevitable Steam sale of Super Street Fighter 5 with at least some of the DLC included.

Same with MKX - it just isn't worth $60 to me.
 
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