I love APT-GET ...

[LuckyTaxi]

... running on redhat9. I hated file dependecides so I opted for freebsd. No way will I ever give up on freebsd, but
I now have RH9 running on my laptop. I found apt-get and I had no problems installing xine! damn RH!!!

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Don't be quite so confident. It's pretty easy to run into problems with apt-rpm, and there aren't nearly as many packages in debian. RPM dependancy hell still exists too, just try installing something that wants a newer libc. :disgust:

 

[Soybomb]

It does certainly help get along with a redhat system, but your pry the ports tree from my dead hands

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Don't be quite so confident. It's pretty easy to run into problems with apt-rpm, and there aren't nearly as many packages in debian. RPM dependancy hell still exists too, just try installing something that wants a newer libc. :disgust:

Huh, you mean they're more rpms than debs.....

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Don't be quite so confident. It's pretty easy to run into problems with apt-rpm, and there aren't nearly as many packages in debian. RPM dependancy hell still exists too, just try installing something that wants a newer libc. :disgust:

Huh, you mean they're more rpms than debs.....

But have fun going out to find them all, and getting them to work together

 

[Panther505]

I have found that apt for RH(apt-rpm) thought finicky can be a great. I have actually recovered a system that I thought that I would have to re-install. The thing that I like about it is that I can "update" my RH systems using it without the RH util which can update a system without telling you!. Additionally if you take out the big hammer and make something fit (--force --nodeps) it will repair the deps. This is very similar to SuSe's YAST2 installer.

Panther

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Don't be quite so confident. It's pretty easy to run into problems with apt-rpm, and there aren't nearly as many packages in debian. RPM dependancy hell still exists too, just try installing something that wants a newer libc. :disgust:

Huh, you mean they're more rpms than debs.....

But have fun going out to find them all, and getting them to work together

Hmmm, well I've actually found that most of Red Hats RPMs are usually of pretty good quality, but Mandrake was seriously dissapointing in that department. Ugh, I hate rpms with circular dependencies :disgust:

 

[LuckyTaxi]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Don't be quite so confident. It's pretty easy to run into problems with apt-rpm, and there aren't nearly as many packages in debian. RPM dependancy hell still exists too, just try installing something that wants a newer libc. :disgust:

My sig says it all. I wouldn't let FreeBSD go, but I had to try RedHat just to see what all the fuss was about.
I kinda like bluecurve, but I would like to run something like openbox or fluxbox, but I want my icons!

 

[Nothinman]

Now try it with Debian, the OS it was designed for. There's over 10,000 packages in Debian right now, compared to how many on freshrpm's apt repository?

Ports are sh!t compared to Debian's apt repository, IMO.

 

[Panther505]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Now try it with Debian, the OS it was designed for. There's over 10,000 packages in Debian right now, compared to how many on freshrpm's apt repository?

Ports are sh!t compared to Debian's apt repository, IMO.

now I would try it on Deb if I could get debian installed on anything. I end up with a Kernel and a small base but cannot seem to get beyond that (if I get that far) and the 2 times that I have posted to the deb maillist (big mistake) I have been told how dumb I am.... Now that is kind of discouraging when you are looking for some help on a LSI SCSI controller issue with the bf2.4 kernel but... I will figure it out when I want to devote the time. (hopefully soon) But I do recognize that apt2rpm is a port to RH/rpm based distros from debian and we are only seeing part of it's strength..

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Panther505

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Now try it with Debian, the OS it was designed for. There's over 10,000 packages in Debian right now, compared to how many on freshrpm's apt repository?

Ports are sh!t compared to Debian's apt repository, IMO.

now I would try it on Deb if I could get debian installed on anything. I end up with a Kernel and a small base but cannot seem to get beyond that (if I get that far) and the 2 times that I have posted to the deb maillist (big mistake) I have been told how dumb I am.... Now that is kind of discouraging when you are looking for some help on a LSI SCSI controller issue with the bf2.4 kernel but... I will figure it out when I want to devote the time. (hopefully soon) But I do recognize that apt2rpm is a port to RH/rpm based distros from debian and we are only seeing part of it's strength..

Bah, debian mailist indeed. :disgust: I don't see why you even bothered with that crowd. I have nothing, personally, against debian's l33t group, but I've found that they are extremely unforgiving towards people who are trying to get something working. For dealing wth stuff like that, you'd be much better off seeking a far more humble group of *Nixers

 

[Nothinman]

Do you have any idea what chipset the controller uses? That's usually more important than anything else.

Actually after looking through the scsi driver source almost all the LSI controllers seem to be driven by the sym53c8xx driver.

 

[Spyro]

In addition to what Nothinman said, are there any related maessages that appear during bootup?

 

[Panther505]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Do you have any idea what chipset the controller uses? That's usually more important than anything else.

Actually after looking through the scsi driver source almost all the LSI controllers seem to be driven by the sym53c8xx driver.

Actually the driver that RH uses is the mptscsih driver (mpt) driver in the kernel source. I expected the l33t attitiude and the RTFMs but to be repeatedly told that it must be BTKATC. I have had gentoo, rh, and suse installed. BUT the stock kernel for Woody did not have what I needed and I was told "get real hardware".. Maybe I am missing something but LSI seems to the the up and commer in SCSI with the new controllers that will do 0, 1 without a "RAID" controller.

If ya all are interested I give me a few days I will give y'all a dump of the data. I will have to set it up at work(where I got a spare machine). Messages during boot were basically no disk found....

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Panther505

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Do you have any idea what chipset the controller uses? That's usually more important than anything else.

Actually after looking through the scsi driver source almost all the LSI controllers seem to be driven by the sym53c8xx driver.

Actually the driver that RH uses is the mptscsih driver (mpt) driver in the kernel source. I expected the l33t attitiude and the RTFMs but to be repeatedly told that it must be BTKATC. I have had gentoo, rh, and suse installed. BUT the stock kernel for Woody did not have what I needed and I was told "get real hardware".. Maybe I am missing something but LSI seems to the the up and commer in SCSI with the new controllers that will do 0, 1 without a "RAID" controller.

If ya all are interested I give me a few days I will give y'all a dump of the data. I will have to set it up at work(where I got a spare machine). Messages during boot were basically no disk found....

Hmmm, I think that I've heard of this before. I would fire up the search engines and start mowing, but I've got an exam tommorow So I'm going to have to disappear for a moment.....

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Funny how people say that BSD people are so mean, I don't ever recall someone being flamed on any NetBSD list, and I am subscribed to 3 or 4.

 

[Panther505]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Funny how people say that BSD people are so mean, I don't ever recall someone being flamed on any NetBSD list, and I am subscribed to 3 or 4.

Not that the Deb people are mean. They are just a little to quick to assume that the problem is between the kb and the chair. I don't mind getting flamed if it is painfully obvious that I am asking a stupid question that I have not researched BUT if it obvious that I researched it and am willing to take pointers to the FM that will help me to figure it out (ie not get spoon fed) then do that instead of flaming me,..


/rant off

 

[Sunner]

Try finding help among a bunch of Solaris freaks, they're the most elitist bunch I've found, far worse than the Debian and OpenBSD people, at least in my experience

 

[Flatline]

I agree...in my past experience, Solaris and Irix people are just plain mean :brokenheart:

The true apt-get system for Debian is, of course, superior to the apt-rpm versions (i absolutely LOVE apt-get); that doesn't keep apt-rpm from being VERY useful and helpful. I think that most of Debian's superiority in this case is the sheer number of people willing to help with testing and packaging for apt-get. I could see apt-rpm being nearly as strong if it had as large and loyal a following, not to mention that Debian's repositories have an enormous head-start.

I find it refreshing that there is a group out there who saw one of the greatest utilities in the 'nix world (apt-get) and decided that it was worth their time to attempt to make the system available to non-Debian users.

 

[Nothinman]

The problem I see with that is if you start hosting a lot more RPMs who will maintain them all? It works really good right now because it's 'official' RH RPMs and a few 3rd party ones but if the amount of 3rd party ones starts growing it could get ugly. Then a pacakge guideline will need to be established to keep things sane and you'll be on your way to a RPM based Debian =)

I find it refreshing that there is a group out there who saw one of the greatest utilities in the 'nix world (apt-get) and decided that it was worth their time to attempt to make the system available to non-Debian users.

I find it disturbing it took them so long, apt has always been package manager independent.

 

[Flatline]

rpm-based debian...hmmm
at that point it's kinda just a judgment call on which package format you like

I haven't personally had any problems with apt-get since they released the RH8 port, so maybe they've ironed out some issues; it really is all about testing!

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

And if you ever mention apt-rpm to redhat dorks they talk about it like it's some bastard child of debian and you shouldn't use it. Just more evidence to me that redhat is lame-o.

 

[Flatline]

I wouldn't mind a "combo" of Redhat and Debian; my test box at the office wouldn't quadruple boot then!

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Yeah, I have mentioned this here other times, but I always wondered why redhat doesn't just use debian as a base a la [ all the other distros that do that ] . Would make things alot less of a PITA for people like me

 

[Nothinman]

And if you ever mention apt-rpm to redhat dorks they talk about it like it's some bastard child of debian and you shouldn't use it. Just more evidence to me that redhat is lame-o.

I've seen similar reactions from Gentoo or *BSD dorks that think compiling everything from ports(age) is the best thing since DSL, just more evidence to me that Gentoo and *Bsd are lame-o =) Also the fact that snmpd from ports on OpenBSD never worked for me, that's frustrating.

I wouldn't mind a "combo" of Redhat and Debian; my test box at the office wouldn't quadruple boot then!

Maybe you should look into VMWare.