I Know the Cause and Solution to end Terrorism!!!

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: broon
Why are we in the middle east? Oil. Everyone needs it. Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't. Therefore the automakers have solidified our dependance on oil thus forcing us to support the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.

First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska. No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists. Next we produce ultra efficient autos or alternative fuel source autos which will further decrease our dependance on OPEC. Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.

Umm, the hotter fuel burns the more efficient it is. But the hotter it burns, the more the polution it produces. It's a trivial thing to make things more fuel efficient, but at what cost?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh really. What myths other than we are in fact drilling in Alaska but not a very large yield and it goes to Japan anyway???

It isn't a battle that I want to fight right now, so this will be my last post in the thread. His post didn't come out explicitly and say all of the conspiracies (which is why I said it was quite consise), but they were certainly implied.

[*]Why are we in the middle east? Oil.
Oil is a big reason but NOT the sole reason.

[*]Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't.
Back to the 100+ mpg cars that run on water, garbage, or whatever else is in the myths that have been going on for decades. Yes we can make 50+ mpg cars right now. And guess what, they are available and they are selling. So how can the post be true that the manufacturers aren't making them? If a market exists, the product will be made.

[*]the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.
It certainly does. But terrorists get their money in so many other ways - drugs, donations, kidnappings, robbery, etc. The poster implied that oil was the ONLY source.

[*]First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska.
Really there isn't much oil there. Certainly not enough for a major impact.

[*]No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists.
I discussed this above. Without oil, there are plenty of funds still.

[*]Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.
Oil princes are not the sole source of terrorism.

[*]Know the Cause and Solution to end Terrorism
I see no discussion of the root cause - hatred towards other groups.

Man facts always throw a wrench into a good speculative conspiracy fest.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh really. What myths other than we are in fact drilling in Alaska but not a very large yield and it goes to Japan anyway???

It isn't a battle that I want to fight right now, so this will be my last post in the thread. His post didn't come out explicitly and say all of the conspiracies (which is why I said it was quite consise), but they were certainly implied.

[*]Why are we in the middle east? Oil.
Oil is a big reason but NOT the sole reason.

[*]Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't.
Back to the 100+ mpg cars that run on water, garbage, or whatever else is in the myths that have been going on for decades. Yes we can make 50+ mpg cars right now. And guess what, they are available and they are selling. So how can the post be true that the manufacturers aren't making them? If a market exists, the product will be made.

[*]the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.
It certainly does. But terrorists get their money in so many other ways - drugs, donations, kidnappings, robbery, etc. The poster implied that oil was the ONLY source.

[*]First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska.
Really there isn't much oil there. Certainly not enough for a major impact.

[*]No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists.
I discussed this above. Without oil, there are plenty of funds still.

[*]Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.
Oil princes are not the sole source of terrorism.

[*]Know the Cause and Solution to end Terrorism
I see no discussion of the root cause - hatred towards other groups.

so in other words.. yes oil consumption by americans does fund terrorists... but not completely... so lets still continue to use it and continue to fund terrorists

 

[GoPackGo]

Here is my solution to terrorism....

Send them McDonalds....Miller and Pizza. and oh yes...video games.

They will be too fat and lazy in a few years to do anything about whatever they were angry about.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh really. What myths other than we are in fact drilling in Alaska but not a very large yield and it goes to Japan anyway???

It isn't a battle that I want to fight right now, so this will be my last post in the thread. His post didn't come out explicitly and say all of the conspiracies (which is why I said it was quite consise), but they were certainly implied.

[*]Why are we in the middle east? Oil.
Oil is a big reason but NOT the sole reason.

[*]Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't.
Back to the 100+ mpg cars that run on water, garbage, or whatever else is in the myths that have been going on for decades. Yes we can make 50+ mpg cars right now. And guess what, they are available and they are selling. So how can the post be true that the manufacturers aren't making them? If a market exists, the product will be made.

[*]the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.
It certainly does. But terrorists get their money in so many other ways - drugs, donations, kidnappings, robbery, etc. The poster implied that oil was the ONLY source.

[*]First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska.
Really there isn't much oil there. Certainly not enough for a major impact.

[*]No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists.
I discussed this above. Without oil, there are plenty of funds still.

[*]Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.
Oil princes are not the sole source of terrorism.

[*]Know the Cause and Solution to end Terrorism
I see no discussion of the root cause - hatred towards other groups.

so in other words.. yes oil consumption by americans does fund terrorists... but not completely... so lets still continue to use it and continue to fund terrorists

Most of the US oil imports are from Canada so, in a way, I guess we are funding terrorists.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Actually some of the Hybrid cars are getting 50 miles to the gallon. Do your homework! I think with a Hybrid vehicle we can easily reach 70 miles to the gallon.

There is also the Smart car made by Mercedes. It isn't a Hybrid, but it does get 70+ mpg on the highway. It's way too small for a Family, but for a single person or couple it would make an excellent Commuter car.

 

[dannybin1742]

I applaud you. Never yet have I seen such a concise and clear compilation of so many myths and conspiracy theories. Great job.

sounds like dullard needs to read "the end of oil"

it will enlighten him

 

[Makromizer]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Actually some of the Hybrid cars are getting 50 miles to the gallon. Do your homework! I think with a Hybrid vehicle we can easily reach 70 miles to the gallon.

In Europe, there are already cars on the streets with a mileage close to 100 mpg (highway), Volkswagen is working on a car (2-seater) with a mileage around 235. It's scheduled for 2008, althuogh that date might be wrong.
Point is, this isn't an issue about technology, it's about people willing to buy such cars and as long as gas is as cheap as it is in the U.S., no one cares.
Last time I've been in Germany, gas was close to 5 $pg, meanwhile it's supposed to be even higher, as gas prices went up everywhere. Those guys sure do look on the mileage before buying a new car.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: broon
I'm talking about normal gas powered cars getting 50+ mpg. Like a full size pickup getting that.

Sorry, but mpg can only go so high. There is a thermodynamic limit on efficiency. As mass of a vehicle increases, it requires much more power to drive it the same speed (power ~ mass^2). The answer is smaller cars, like some here have pointed out. My bike is bigger than many Euro cars. Americans love big cars, so here we are.

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Umm, the hotter fuel burns the more efficient it is. But the hotter it burns, the more the polution it produces. It's a trivial thing to make things more fuel efficient, but at what cost?

Where are you getting your information? Or are you saying that more CO2 is produced when more gas is burned? If you are, then you're neglecting the fact that airborne hydrocarbons are a much greater pollutant than CO2.

 

[0marTheZealot]

ANWR is a red herring. The total production after several years could be 1-2 million barrels tops.

http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm

We import close to 12 million barrels a day.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: broon
Why are we in the middle east? Oil. Everyone needs it. Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't. Therefore the automakers have solidified our dependance on oil thus forcing us to support the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.

First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska. No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists. Next we produce ultra efficient autos or alternative fuel source autos which will further decrease our dependance on OPEC. Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.

Moving from 18 wheelers back to rail and using ship and rail more than airplanes for cargo and pax would help a lot. I know thatr having thousands of drivers on the road looks good for employment stats, but they aren't very efficient.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: daveshel
The problem with your analysis is that nearly every American feels they have the right to drive a gas-guzzling SUV, and the carmakers are more than happy to sell them what they want.

SUV type vehicles don't have to even use, leave alone guzzle gas. Many SUV's are actually very efficient, getting upwards to 30 mpg. SUV's aren't the only gas guzzlers in the environment either. you want our nations leaders and wanna bees to give up the Surburbans and limos? How about Hollywood?

 

[cwjerome]

Terrorism is a tactic, and can never be "defeated". What we can defeat is Radical Islamic extremism, although it will take decades of culture change, some of which imposed.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Even if it were that simple (which it is not), the terrorists would just go back to robbing banks like they used to.

I think that one of the real reasons that they are so desperate now is that they think we will do just what this thread illustrates. If they can't sell oil, they have nothing to offer the world and no way to cling to power and wealth.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: broon
Why are we in the middle east? Oil. Everyone needs it. Well the technology has been available for years to make 50+ mpg cars but the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies so they don't. Therefore the automakers have solidified our dependance on oil thus forcing us to support the oil trade which in the end funds terrorism.

First step would be to begin drilling in Alaska. No money to OPEC = no money for terrorists. Next we produce ultra efficient autos or alternative fuel source autos which will further decrease our dependance on OPEC. Within a few years the oil princes will have no more $$ to support terrorism.

Umm, the hotter fuel burns the more efficient it is. But the hotter it burns, the more the polution it produces. It's a trivial thing to make things more fuel efficient, but at what cost?

Perhaps the reverse is true. More heat = better combustion = less pollution.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Terrorism is a tactic, and can never be "defeated". What we can defeat is Radical Islamic extremism, although it will take decades of culture change, some of which imposed.

even if it means destorynig the moderate islamic culture to create a pseudo american culture? Basically what you are advocating is that in order to erase a small strain in an otherwise large culture, it is our job to eradicate the entire culture.

Hell we still have our own fundamentalists to deal with! The only difference is we pamper them and they live the good life in the USA so they are a bunch of talk (although it is scary talk). Even the small strain of extremism in the Middle East is also largely talk; of ALL that comes out of the mouths that spew the crap, only one group was actually able to take action~
What is your propsoed solution to the fundamentalism in the United States?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: piasabird
Actually some of the Hybrid cars are getting 50 miles to the gallon. Do your homework! I think with a Hybrid vehicle we can easily reach 70 miles to the gallon.

There is also the Smart car made by Mercedes. It isn't a Hybrid, but it does get 70+ mpg on the highway. It's way too small for a Family, but for a single person or couple it would make an excellent Commuter car.

Except for when everyone else drives their Chevy Suburbans right over it you'll die in a fire. Seriously though...I would like a small car like that but I really would fear for my safety. People don't know how to drive. And now they have bigger cars so they can kill more people when they screw up.

 

[cwjerome]

Magomago, is moderate Islamic culture breeding radical Islamic extremists? No, I don't think it does. I'm not saying anything about wiping out a whole culture, I'm talking about changing a culture of radical Islamic extremists.

Your comparison between radical Islamic extremists and Christian fundamentalists isn't even good humor, make a new joke.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Since the outbreak of high cost oil products in the 70's we have squandered
the time that should have been spent not only on alternate energy sourves,
but the application of a network of public transportaion.

Our rail system is second to garbage, while Europe and Japan have very
advance and efficient systems to move people and products.

China will have a more advanced public transportation system long before
we will, as they will not be willing to spend outrageous amounts of capital to
purchase that energy, and their people will embrace mass transit.

Meanwhile, if we were to drill in the Arctic - why do you think that we would
even see any of that product used here ? The Alaskan North Slope oil was
of the 'High Sulpher' kind, and was sold to Japan and Asia for proffit, not to
our consumers benefit. We kept using up the 'Low Suplher' from the Arabs.

We have become too infatuated with our cars, and are too unwilling to even think
of sacrificing any of our egotistical greed to consider mass transit as a way to commute.
We won't even get on a bike to ride our 'Double-Wide Trailer-Park Asses' down to the
market for a Big Mac & an order of Sumo-Sized Freedom Fries - it's too much effort.

You might even want to ask yourself - how much oil is our military using each day,
and how is that comsumption offsetting our domestic product consumption ?

 

[Makromizer]

Just found the Volkswagen with close to 100 mpg, it's called Lupo
check http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/lupo
You won't find that one on volkswagen.com, it seems to be sold only in Europe.
The car is pretty ugly IMHO, but that could change if there were a market for such cars. I've seen some of these in Germany, but they don't seem to be that common. Maybe because it's kinda expensive, as people who want to buy a small car usually don't want to spend much on it. But prices would drop if the numbers of cars sold would be higher, and I guess they will be if fuel prices increase even further.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Since the outbreak of high cost oil products in the 70's we have squandered
the time that should have been spent not only on alternate energy sourves,
but the application of a network of public transportaion.

Our rail system is second to garbage, while Europe and Japan have very
advance and efficient systems to move people and products.

China will have a more advanced public transportation system long before
we will, as they will not be willing to spend outrageous amounts of capital to
purchase that energy, and their people will embrace mass transit.

Meanwhile, if we were to drill in the Arctic - why do you think that we would
even see any of that product used here ? The Alaskan North Slope oil was
of the 'High Sulpher' kind, and was sold to Japan and Asia for proffit, not to
our consumers benefit. We kept using up the 'Low Suplher' from the Arabs.

We have become too infatuated with our cars, and are too unwilling to even think
of sacrificing any of our egotistical greed to consider mass transit as a way to commute.
We won't even get on a bike to ride our 'Double-Wide Trailer-Park Asses' down to the
market for a Big Mac & an order of Sumo-Sized Freedom Fries - it's too much effort.

You might even want to ask yourself - how much oil is our military using each day,
and how is that comsumption offsetting our domestic product consumption ?

Ukraine has efficient and not bad mass transit. I think China will follow the pattern of the people of Ukraine. As soon as they can afford a car, they buy one and that is the last day they use mass transit. Mass transit has to be more time efficient. I tried to commute to and from work in D.C. the first year I was there. It took me from 45 minutes to an hour and a half each end of the day. Times, I got out of the office after the mass transit had shut down. I finally decided that it wasn't worth the expense in personal time to use mass transit and started driving my car again.

 

[Alistar7]

Typical, blame the Americans, lol. Get ready to blame India and China, their GROWING NEED for resources will dwarf the US's and be the straw that breaks the camels back.....

 

[Makromizer]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Typical, blame the Americans, lol. Get ready to blame India and China, their GROWING NEED for resources will dwarf the US's and be the straw that breaks the camels back.....

Well, take a look at the per capita consumption. Then you know whom you can blame. The U.S. looks pretty bad, but of course Japan and Europe are well above average. Then, however, the U.S. is well aheab of any other nation, if you exclude some smaller countries like Australia.