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[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i predict he regrets saying it, and years from now he'll admit that he shouldn't have. the death of his mother will have humbled him.

I doubt it. Bush is an idiot and completely inept...why would West's opinion of him change just because Kanye becomes more humble?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh really? Do you think the Bush administration handled Katrina well? Or Iraq well? Or anything well during the last 8 years? Let's see, the dollar isn't worth shit, our standing in the world community is shit, the national debt is higher than it's ever been, we've plunged Iraq into chaos for absolutely no reason at all...should I continue? Well, this isn't P&N so I'll stop there.

Government is never just one person. The moment you accuse any president, regardless, of being an idiot and completely inept, you lose your credibility. Besides, many of your 'claims' are ignorant.

Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Let's hope the next President is a Democrat so we can get out of this mess that is all the fault of a Republican administration. :Q

Partisanship is a pointless argument and has nothing to do with it.

I wish more politicians thought partisanship was pointless, but it seems a strong driving force in our politics and the political decisions made today.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

Iraq most certainly was for no reason. We invaded a country and overthrew its government based on faulty intelligence. There were no WMD...this is a fact. That debacle cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American lives, and will continue to cost us billions for years to come.

You got one thing right though, I'm definitely not saying that he or his administration is flawless. :laugh:

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

Do you live in Ohio by chance?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Let's hope the next President is a Democrat so we can get out of this mess that is all the fault of a Republican administration. :Q

Partisanship is a pointless argument and has nothing to do with it.

I wish more politicians thought partisanship was pointless, but it seems a strong dividing force in our politics and the political decisions made today.

Fixed.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

Iraq most certainly was for no reason. We invaded a country and overthrew its government based on faulty intelligence. There were no WMD...this is a fact. That debacle cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American lives, and will continue to cost us billions for years to come.

You got one thing right though, I'm definitely not saying that he or his administration is flawless. :laugh:

lol

June of 2005 or 2006, a document was declassified showing 500 WMD's confiscated. I'm too lazy to search for it, but it was even posted here on AT.

Hussein being tried, convicted, and executed by his own government for attrocities certainly doesn't mean anything does it?

You just have no clue WTF you're talking about. 🙂 This is why I hate talking politics. People argue just to argue, regardless of whether they know what's going on or not.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I saw a quote in someone's sig the other day. Went something like, "The Republicans have been fucking the American public in the ass and the Democrats have done nothing but pass out lube and condoms."

I think it was PC Surgeon.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

Do you live in Ohio by chance?

Nowhere close.

...and I think I met you and RagingBITCH a couple years ago :Q

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i predict he regrets saying it, and years from now he'll admit that he shouldn't have. the death of his mother will have humbled him.

I doubt it. Bush is an idiot and completely inept...why would West's opinion of him change just because Kanye becomes more humble?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

He's supposedly a registered Republican that's going to vote Democrat this coming election.

 

[JulesMaximus]

"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent."

That's from a Fox news site BTW. Since when did old mustard gas become a WMD? I thought we were looking for nukes. Did we ever find those mobile weapons labs? Hmmm, didn't think so.

Hussein was a murderer and a cruel dictator and certainly was hated by many. They're lucky he wasn't ripped to shreds publicly by the "government" we helped bring to power in Iraq.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Claims? It's my opinion, and I've backed it up with facts. And yes, government is more than one person, however, the President is the one who chooses the people who make up his cabinet and it's certainly no secret that Bush has made some pretty bad choices in that department. Whatever happened to Michael Brown (aka Brownie) anyway?

Yes, claims.

Iraq wasn't 'for no reason'
FEMA is responsible for failed cleanup in Katrina, not Bush
blah blah blah blah blah

Nobody's saying that he or that his administration is flawless.

However, would you have been happier if Bush followed in Clinton's footsteps and did things like beginning to liquidate the military and secretly steal money from social security to pay off the national debt to look good in the public eye?

Iraq most certainly was for no reason. We invaded a country and overthrew its government based on faulty intelligence. There were no WMD...this is a fact. That debacle cost us billions of dollars and thousands of American lives, and will continue to cost us billions for years to come.

You got one thing right though, I'm definitely not saying that he or his administration is flawless. :laugh:

lol

June of 2005 or 2006, a document was declassified showing 500 WMD's confiscated. I'm too lazy to search for it, but it was even posted here on AT.

Hussein being tried, convicted, and executed by his own government for attrocities certainly doesn't mean anything does it?

You just have no clue WTF you're talking about. 🙂 This is why I hate talking politics. People argue just to argue, regardless of whether they know what's going on or not.

"Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent."

That's from a Fox news site BTW. Since when did old mustard gas become a WMD? I thought we were looking for nukes. Did we ever find those mobile weapons labs? Hmmm, didn't think so.

Hussein was a murderer and a cruel dictator and certainly was hated by many. They're lucky he wasn't ripped to shreds publicly by the "government" we helped bring to power in Iraq.

So you think Gore would have brought world peace after 9/11? He would have done the exact same thing - the only difference is he would have had Clinton and the media backing him in post-war efforts.

 

[Nik]

on second thought

nevermind. not worth spending time arguing with someone like this 🙂

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
on second thought

nevermind. not worth spending time arguing with someone like this 🙂

I understand completely. It's tough to get past those pesky facts I keep bringing up. 😛

 

[Loop2kil]

who the eff is kayne west???

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i predict he regrets saying it, and years from now he'll admit that he shouldn't have. the death of his mother will have humbled him.

I doubt it. Bush is an idiot and completely inept...why would West's opinion of him change just because Kanye becomes more humble?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh really? Do you think the Bush administration handled Katrina well? Or Iraq well? Or anything well during the last 8 years? Let's see, the dollar isn't worth shit, our standing in the world community is shit, the national debt is higher than it's ever been, we've plunged Iraq into chaos for absolutely no reason at all...should I continue? Well, this isn't P&N so I'll stop there.

Why didn't Kanye say the same about Louisiana's governor or "Mr. Chocolate City" Ray Nagen? Neither of them acted, and both should have been there well before FEMA. You do realize that LA has it's own emergency management administration, right? And you do realize that hundreds of buses sat idle in NO schools while people were trying to evacuate. Oh, and let's not forget the idiot NOer's who decided to stay. They stayed at their own peril.

Bush is the easiest, most convenient target, and makes people like you feel better because you get to place blame - no matter if that blame is warranted or directed towards the right party(ies).

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i predict he regrets saying it, and years from now he'll admit that he shouldn't have. the death of his mother will have humbled him.

I doubt it. Bush is an idiot and completely inept...why would West's opinion of him change just because Kanye becomes more humble?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh really? Do you think the Bush administration handled Katrina well? Or Iraq well? Or anything well during the last 8 years? Let's see, the dollar isn't worth shit, our standing in the world community is shit, the national debt is higher than it's ever been, we've plunged Iraq into chaos for absolutely no reason at all...should I continue? Well, this isn't P&N so I'll stop there.

Why didn't Kanye say the same about Louisiana's governor or "Mr. Chocolate City" Ray Nagen? Neither of them acted, and both should have been there well before FEMA. You do realize that LA has it's own emergency management administration, right? And you do realize that hundreds of buses sat idle in NO schools while people were trying to evacuate. Oh, and let's not forget the idiot NOer's who decided to stay. They stayed at their own peril.

Bush is the easiest, most convenient target, and makes people like you feel better because you get to place blame - no matter if that blame is warranted or directed towards the right party(ies).

how dare you bring facts against a lib

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: GuideBot
on second thought

nevermind. not worth spending time arguing with someone like this 🙂

I understand completely. It's tough to get past those pesky facts I keep bringing up. 😛

Umm, you actually haven't presented any facts, just your opinions. Do you have any supporting documents cited? No, oh, so everything you say is fact?

 

[ProfJohn]

The Katrina relief effort was one of the largest in the history of our country. With in days there were dozens, if not hundreds, of helicopters lifting people off roofs. Thousands of National Guard and military troops and equipment poured into the area and the navy brought several ships of the coast to help out as well. It was an amazing accomplishment.

Sadly that is all ignored by people with a political axe to grind. Sure Bush and Co could have done a better job and been more prepared. Sure those emails sent out the day after Katrina look bad, but most people don?t stop their lives due to tragedy.

The real blame lies with the people of New Orleans and Louisiana who failed to plan properly. They knew for years that this could happen and when it finally did they weren?t ready. And then we have the victim mentality of many of the people being picked off the roofs. The people who sit back and wait for government to ?save? them because government has been there for them their entire lives.

Notice the difference between New Orleans and South Mississippi. Both suffered amazing amounts of destruction. But Mississippi started making plans to rebuild while New Orleans was still complaining that the government didn?t do enough.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The Katrina relief effort was one of the largest in the history of our country. With in days there were dozens, if not hundreds, of helicopters lifting people off roofs. Thousands of National Guard and military troops and equipment poured into the area and the navy brought several ships of the coast to help out as well. It was an amazing accomplishment.

Sadly that is all ignored by people with a political axe to grind. Sure Bush and Co could have done a better job and been more prepared. Sure those emails sent out the day after Katrina look bad, but most people don?t stop their lives due to tragedy.

The real blame lies with the people of New Orleans and Louisiana who failed to plan properly. They knew for years that this could happen and when it finally did they weren?t ready. And then we have the victim mentality of many of the people being picked off the roofs. The people who sit back and wait for government to ?save? them because government has been there for them their entire lives.

Notice the difference between New Orleans and South Mississippi. Both suffered amazing amounts of destruction. But Mississippi started making plans to rebuild while New Orleans was still complaining that the government didn?t do enough.

I guess that's why Michael Brown is still head of FEMA to this day. Because he did a heck of a job. I mean, he had such a strong background in running an organization like FEMA when Bush appointed him after all. The guy was the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association...:roll:

I don't know what papers you guys read but every report I've seen or read on Katrina basically calls the response of our federal government a complete failure.

Mississippi wasn't 20' under water for weeks either.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i predict he regrets saying it, and years from now he'll admit that he shouldn't have. the death of his mother will have humbled him.

He does regret saying it already...

 

[Steve]

It wasn't so long ago at this very forum that people got lame vacations for making "[Person] doesn't care about [race] people" jokes. I'm honestly surprised that anyone hadn't heard about this by oh six months ago or more.

 

[smartt]

Wonder if Obama was President and something like this happened would Kanye be saying the same thing? By the way a lot of the problems in getting assistance to Katrina were government red tape and it's pretty well know that Democrats want more government and Republicans want less. So maybe Kanye should consider switching parties.