I knew central planning was bad, but didn't really know precisely how bad.

[nehalem256]

Notice how all of the confederate (pro slavery) states are red states?

You mean except for Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida?

 

[Steeplerot]

You mean except for Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida?

Except Virginia was the Capital of the CSA and NC was the state to open fire and murder American soldiers in cold blood first

-leading to more US citizens death then both world wars combined..

The Price in Blood


At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.

Somehow, still to this day supposed "good Americans" apologize for these actions.

PLO or AQ have nothing on the south when it comes to American blood pooling on their hands.

They even still proudly rock the traitorous flag in state capitals.

Different skyfairy and skincolor, same assholes.

Good thing the US Military didn't have a nukes when Custer burned the traitorous south huh?

 

[Genx87]

Based on how loosely it is tossed around, IMO the answer is "because they don't even know what the word means".

I'd go with this answer for 12000

 

[OutHouse]

Care to back up that assertion there? Name one.

lol just read this thread.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Why do so many people think socialism works?[/QUOTE] Most people don't. Socialism is just dark age fuedal Europe cast in a different light to be sold to modern idiots. It is not the people who want socialism, but the leaders who have all the power and money want it because then they can just fuck over everyone and people will just accept it. You people need to realize that. It is YOUR leaders who secretly want socialism, then they go around calling their political opponents socialists, kind of like how Romney questions all of his opponents' tax records when he runs against them and then never releases his own.

 

[OutHouse]

Except Virginia was the Capital of the CSA and NC was the state to open fire and murder American soldiers in cold blood first

-leading to more US citizens death then both world wars combined..

The Price in Blood


At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.

Somehow, still to this day supposed "good Americans" apologize for these actions.

PLO or AQ have nothing on the south when it comes to American blood pooling on their hands.

They even still proudly rock the traitorous flag in state capitals.

Different skyfairy and skincolor, same assholes.

Too bad Custer didn't have a nuke when he burned the south back then.

damn you are 100% crazy.

 

[Steeplerot]

damn you are 100% crazy.

Care to discredit it, feel free. *shrug* This is common US history and kid should know.

No wonder the south hates education and critical thinking so much huh?

 

[nehalem256]

Most people don't. Socialism is just dark age fuedal Europe cast in a different light to be sold to modern idiots. It is not the people who want socialism, but the leaders who have all the power and money want it because then they can just fuck over everyone and people will just accept it.

You people need to realize that. It is YOUR leaders who secretly want socialism, then they go around calling their political opponents socialists, kind of like how Romney questions all of his opponents' tax records when he runs against them and then never releases his own.

Socialism is more like dark age feudalism where the serfs are allowed(encouraged?) to wallow in immorality instead of being expected to work in exchange for the protection of their local lord.

If feudalism is a morally, and logically, superior system to socialism that should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Steeplerot]

Socialism is more like dark age feudalism where the serfs are allowed(encouraged?) to wallow in immorality instead of being expected to work in exchange for the protection of their local lord.

If feudalism is a morally, and logically, superior system to socialism that should tell you all you need to know.

This has nothing to do with Socialism or Feudalism.

Interesting how you attribute slavery with "being protected by their local lord".

Those darkies were well taken care of in the south. ayup! They owe it all to the fine capitalist plantation owner looking out for his best interests of their bottom line.

You really need to go back to square one and educate yourself on elementary civics and governments.

How can you be so ignorant when every advanced society around the world is socialist to some degree.

You all live in a purely prepackaged world of propaganda from the elites. It's sad.

The right is like a bunch of suckers living in a giant "get rich quick" seminar where the audience suspends disbelief because they want to believe so bad.

These are the people who actually buy that late night infomercial stuff and give money to weeping televangelists caught buggering a small boy or something.

A ideology of disinformation and faith based beliefs sold to them by the establishment like good little consumers.

Dont think, just let them rewrite the world and reality. And you all buy this stuff somehow.

Sometimes, you just cant fix stupid. (or faith based conspiracy traffickers) when you have to deal with folks whose eyes glaze over when you pop their little bubble.

 

[Spungo]

Most people don't. Socialism is just dark age fuedal Europe cast in a different light to be sold to modern idiots. It is not the people who want socialism, but the leaders who have all the power and money want it because then they can just fuck over everyone and people will just accept it.

Capitalist USA has a higher debt load than: socialist Canada, socialist France, socialist Germany. Socialist Canada's last budget surplus was in 2008. Socialist Germany's last surplus was in 2008. Socialist Sweden's last surplus was in 2008. Clinton was the only US president in the last half century to have a surplus and he was a lefty. Bush took over and immediately turned that into the largest deficit ever.

 

[nehalem256]

Capitalist USA has a higher debt load than: socialist Canada, socialist France, socialist Germany. Socialist Canada's last budget surplus was in 2008. Socialist Germany's last surplus was in 2008. Socialist Sweden's last surplus was in 2008. Clinton was the only US president in the last half century to have a surplus and he was a lefty. Bush took over and immediately turned that into the largest deficit ever.

Because clearly Bush was responsible for the collapse of the Internet bubble leading to the surplus turning into a deficit.

Unfortunately for you that means according to your logic Obama cannot blame Bush for the housing crash. Which means the largest deficit is the responsibility of Obama.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Capitalist USA has a higher debt load than: socialist Canada, socialist France, socialist Germany. Socialist Canada's last budget surplus was in 2008. Socialist Germany's last surplus was in 2008. Socialist Sweden's last surplus was in 2008. Clinton was the only US president in the last half century to have a surplus and he was a lefty. Bush took over and immediately turned that into the largest deficit ever.

That has ZERO to do with what I just said. WTF

 

[nehalem256]

This has nothing to do with Socialism or Feudalism.

Interesting how you attribute slavery with "being protected by their local lord".

Those darkies were well taken care of in the south. ayup! They owe it all to the fine capitalist plantation owner looking out for his best interests of their bottom line.

I attribute protection from the lord with feudalism

Serfs who occupied a plot of land were required to work for the Lord of the Manor who owned that land, and in return were entitled to protection, justice and the right to exploit certain fields within the manor to maintain their own subsistence. Serfs were often required not only to work on the lord's fields, but also his mines, forests and roads. The manor formed the basic unit of feudal society and the Lord of the Manor and his serfs were bound legally, economically, and socially. Serfs formed the lowest social class of feudal society.

Feudalism imposes obligations on both the lord and serf. Socialism imposes only obligation on the "lord", while encouraging the "serf" to act as immorally as he sees fit.

 

[Steeplerot]

That has ZERO to do with what I just said. WTF

He is pointing out that in the actual real world, nothing you said is even remotely valid.

 

[Steeplerot]

I attribute protection from the lord with feudalism


Socialism imposes only obligation on the "lord", while encouraging the "serf" to act as immorally as he sees fit.

I would love to see where any Socialist says this shit. Care to bust out some Marx quotes? I would love to see you guys defend your "heritage foundation presents: history of the world for consumer dummies 101" that you all trot out in here endlessly -making total asses of yourselves to the rest of the world.

What Americans need is to get out sometime. See the world. Such ignorance!

I cannot stand Lenin really, but to use a awful example of some of the worst perversions of Socialism, and it STILL does not line up with the core notions you espouse.


In accordance with Lenin’s understanding of the socialist state, article twelve of the 1936 Soviet Constitution states:
In the USSR work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Soviet_Constitution
The USSR was terrible, but to compare it to Sweden for example is idiotic. And neither still have anything remotely like you state as a foundation of Socialism.

Where do you all get this stuff from? Use your own heads for once.