I just watched 'Conspiracy Moon Theory' on the National Geographic Channel

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

 

[FoBoT]

i saw the apollo 17 guys on the moon on TV when i was a kid

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

I'm counting on this thread to deliver day long entertainment value. Hopefully a few other of his species will chime in as well.

 

[manowar821]

You guys puking out insults are all wonderful patriotic americans, that's for sure.

I'm done with this one... What a joke.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: manowar821
What a joke.

Funny... we were thinking the same thing...

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: manowar821
You guys puking out insults are all wonderful patriotic americans, that's for sure.

I'm done with this one... What a joke.

Awww, we scared off the crackpot.

Having an open mind is great but make sure it isn't so open that logic and reason leak out.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: manowar821
You guys puking out insults are all wonderful patriotic americans, that's for sure.

I'm done with this one... What a joke.

We're protecting America from crippling stupidity.

 

[waggy]

of course its fake. the moon is not real!

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: manowar821
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: rh71
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?</end quote></div>

... because images can be used as 100% proof and can never be doctored right ? The first thing people call is "photochop" anyway. I can totally see the conspiracy theorists saying "ahh, we were wrong then" after seeing a pic. Fo'sho.</end quote></div>

If it's done by an independant source, hell yes I'd say "ah, well there's the proof after all".

Because most telescopes aren't made to track the moon, they are used for planetary or sun observation. Furthermore, many have limited resources, mainly time, since there are many other important things gonig on. I would rather have them used for scientific purposes than debunking crackpot .5% of the population whackos who think anything is a conspiracy.

Finally, even if they did do that, you'd still cry foul. Why? Because then it's a massive government/contractor conspiracy to hide the truth.

 

[manowar821]

.....I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie.....

Did ya forget to read this line? Perhaps I'm simply weighing out the opposing viewpoint for you guys.

You're still being jerks.

Now I'm really done

 

[SVT Cobra]

If you don't believe we landed on the moon, GTFO of the USA, we don't need your type here.


Same with going back for that matter...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

The theoretical resolving power of a telescope, measured in arc seconds, is calculated by dividing the aperture of the telescope (in inches) into 4.56. The largest telescope on Earth is the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii. The theoretical resolving power of this telescope is 0.012", however the Earth's atmosphere limits the resolving power of any ground-based telescope to about 0.5"-1.0".

The Hubble Space Telescope does not suffer from this limitation; thus, with an aperture of 94 inches, HST's resolving power is 0.05". At the Earth-Moon distance of 239,000 miles, the smallest object that can be resolved by HST is about 300 feet. The largest dimension of any hardware left behind on the Moon is 31 feet, which is the diagonal distance across the LM's footpads.

No telescope, presently in existence, can see the Apollo hardware from Earth.

Edit-I find it difficult to believe that we could land a man on the moon 40 years ago but we can't seem to fix the fricken quotes in fusetalk...

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you don't believe we landed on the moon, GTFO of the USA, we don't need your type here.

I think that's taking it a bit far...

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you don't believe we landed on the moon, GTFO of the USA, we don't need your type here.

I think that's taking it a bit far...

I agree. I would just suggest that he never breed.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

The theoretical resolving power of a telescope, measured in arc seconds, is calculated by dividing the aperture of the telescope (in inches) into 4.56. The largest telescope on Earth is the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii. The theoretical resolving power of this telescope is 0.012", however the Earth's atmosphere limits the resolving power of any ground-based telescope to about 0.5"-1.0".

The Hubble Space Telescope does not suffer from this limitation; thus, with an aperture of 94 inches, HST's resolving power is 0.05". At the Earth-Moon distance of 239,000 miles, the smallest object that can be resolved by HST is about 300 feet. The largest dimension of any hardware left behind on the Moon is 31 feet, which is the diagonal distance across the LM's footpads.

No telescope, presently in existence, can see the Apollo hardware from Earth.

Edit-I find it difficult to believe that we could land a man on the moon 40 years ago but we can't seem to fix the fricken quotes in fusetalk...

Thank you for articulating the math that I was too lazy to do.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.</end quote></div>
You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.</end quote></div>

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.</end quote></div>

The theoretical resolving power of a telescope, measured in arc seconds, is calculated by dividing the aperture of the telescope (in inches) into 4.56. The largest telescope on Earth is the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii. The theoretical resolving power of this telescope is 0.012", however the Earth's atmosphere limits the resolving power of any ground-based telescope to about 0.5"-1.0".

The Hubble Space Telescope does not suffer from this limitation; thus, with an aperture of 94 inches, HST's resolving power is 0.05". At the Earth-Moon distance of 239,000 miles, the smallest object that can be resolved by HST is about 300 feet. The largest dimension of any hardware left behind on the Moon is 31 feet, which is the diagonal distance across the LM's footpads.

No telescope, presently in existence, can see the Apollo hardware from Earth.

Edit-I find it difficult to believe that we could land a man on the moon 40 years ago but we can't seem to fix the fricken quotes in fusetalk...</end quote></div>

Thank you for articulating the math that I was too lazy to do.

Yes, thank you, that makes sense.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


The theoretical resolving power of a telescope, measured in arc seconds, is calculated by dividing the aperture of the telescope (in inches) into 4.56. The largest telescope on Earth is the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii. The theoretical resolving power of this telescope is 0.012", however the Earth's atmosphere limits the resolving power of any ground-based telescope to about 0.5"-1.0".

The Hubble Space Telescope does not suffer from this limitation; thus, with an aperture of 94 inches, HST's resolving power is 0.05". At the Earth-Moon distance of 239,000 miles, the smallest object that can be resolved by HST is about 300 feet. The largest dimension of any hardware left behind on the Moon is 31 feet, which is the diagonal distance across the LM's footpads.

No telescope, presently in existence, can see the Apollo hardware from Earth.

Edit-I find it difficult to believe that we could land a man on the moon 40 years ago but we can't seem to fix the fricken quotes in fusetalk...

You beat me to it

manowar821, you are in way over your head here. You are absolutely 100% incorrect about being able to "just point a telescope at it". As described above, no telescope can resolve an image of anything we left behind. It is literally impossible as of right now.

Drop a paper clip in the endzone, walk to the other endzone, and measure the angle from the field to the top of the paper clip at the other end, and that is how accurate we can be because that is the margin of error for communicating with satellites. We can most certainly hit the reflector on the moon with a laser, but that is because we haven't run into a physical limitation yet. The problem of telescopes not being able to distinguish two objects at a fine enough resolution is a physical limitation, not a human one. Get over it - we landed on the moon.

 

[ghostman]

Originally posted by: manowar821
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.</end quote></div>

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.</end quote></div>

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

I think it's great that people keep an open mind to what the government, scientists or "experts" say. But this just showed that's not what you're doing. Others mentioned a reflector being used to prove that people have been to the moon, but instead of recognizing/investigating this claim, you ignore the statement altogether and run around with your "super high-powered space telescope" argument.

You remind me of the student in my "Natural Science" Space/Cosmos class in college. He argued with my college professor that people have never been to the moon. His proof? Because he watched an episode about it on FOX. He chooses to believe a TV show whose sole purpose is to get viewers and to make money. The same network that aired a show that should have been called "When Cars Attack," describing how cars are fighting back against their human owners.

 

[Fritzo]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.</end quote></div>

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.</end quote></div>

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.</end quote></div>


Edit- someone beat me to it.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: manowar821
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
If your government is so well-meaning and correct about having gone to the moon, why not just point a telescope at the moon, and take a picture of the landing site with the rover and such.

Or is that too hard, or a waste of money?

What's so hard about there being a possibility that the "moon landing" was a political lie to prove our "dominance" over the soviet union...?

Does this conspiracy theory really upset you that much that you have to resort to name calling? The US government is not your friend, they don't want or need to tell you the truth, and they don't care much about your well being or feelings.

I'm not saying I'm SURE it was a total lie, but I have a hard time believe it. Quit being a jerk.</end quote></div>

You sir, are a fool.

You do realize how *tiny* the things we put on the moon are in comparison? You'd need a hell of a lot more than a consumer telescope to do it -- and the world's largest telescopes are radio telescopes, not exactly ideal for finding silent chunks of metal on the moon. Yet the Apollo missions left some interesting stuff up there, including a reflector, which has IIRC been regularly polled to calculate the distance to the moon. That's right, you can point a laser at the right spot on the moon and get proof that we went.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is, ignorant. Willfully or otherwise.</end quote></div>

So... You can find this reflector with something as finely pointed as a laser, but pointing a super high-powered space telescope at the same spot on the moon would turn up no images of the landing site.

Great.

You are either:

A) Trolling
B) Braindead

Either way just stop posting

 

[yllus]

It's pretty easy to put the moon conspiracy theory to rest. We have physical proof in the form of rocks whose molecular structure is impossible to duplicate on Earth.

Apollo program - Samples returned

Apollo returned 381.7 kg (841.5 lb) of rocks and other material from the Moon, much of which is stored at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston.

In general the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.2 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar mare, to about 4.6 billion years for samples derived from the highlands crust.[25] As such, they represent samples from a very early period in the evolution of the Solar System that is largely missing from Earth. One important rock found during the Apollo Program was the Genesis Rock, retrieved by astronauts James Irwin and David Scott during the Apollo 15 mission. This rock is composed almost exclusively of the mineral anorthosite, and is believed to be representative of the highland crust. A geochemical component called KREEP (an acronym for rocks with high abundances of potassium, rare earth elements, and phosphorus) was discovered that has no known terrestrial counterpart. Together, KREEP and the anorthositic samples have been used to infer that the outer portion of the Moon was once completely molten (see lunar magma ocean).

Almost all of the rocks show evidence for having been affected by impact processes. For instance, many samples appear to be pitted with micrometeoroid impact craters, something which is never seen on earth due to its thick atmosphere. Additionally, many show signs of being subjected to high pressure shock waves that are generated during impacts events. Some of the returned samples are of impact melt, referring to materials that are melted in the vicinity of an impact crater. Finally, all samples returned from the Moon are highly brecciated as a result of being subjected to multiple impact events.

 

[illusion88]

IF THEY WENT TO THE MOON WHY IS THERE GRAVITY?!


Americans are a bunch of sheep

 

[hdeck]

my physics teacher in high school debunked all that stupid nonsense about not landing on the moon in about 10 minutes during class one day.

 

[illusion88]

I didn't see this show, but I do remember watching the report on Fox a while back. The one thing that astounded me when they overlayed two separate videos that were supposed to be shot several miles away from each other and they had the exact same land scape. Not a rock in a different place.

For the record..... we landed on the moon.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Well, judging by the poll results, we have 4 of those conspiracy nutballs on ATOT.

Come on nutballs! Speak up! What compelling evidence do you have for us that man never stepped foot on the moon?