Win98 was essentially a big service pack for Win95 and fixed a major slew of issues with the 95 kernel.
As for Win98 to XP, this depends on if you are the typical history revisionist who claims Win NT 3.5, 4.0, and Win2k never existed and XP was simply an upgrade for ME users. Unfortunatley many of you still can't comprehend 98 and XP are two entirely different product lines. Those of us who actually use our computers for doing work other than using Sysedit for configuring 16-bit game cards to play Doom are a bit smarter.
Had MS killed the 95 kernel at Win98SE like they should of, and been more aggressive about getting home users to migrate to the NT 4.0 kernel like they should have, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Unless Vista allows me to run my current applications better than they currently are now, I have no interest in it. Once I see a mainstream of 64-bit, multi threaded apps (other than games), I'll migrate.
Well it depends on how you look at it. A Monopoly doesn't nessicarially force individual people, but it controls the market wholey. Which is pretty much how it goes for the desktop.
Apple is a option and so is Linux, but when your down around the low single digits if you combine Linux AND Apple. It's still a monopoly.
I agree.
We'll all mostly upgrade in the end along with the hardware, but there's no rush imo.
I'll let the dust settle on Vista before I buy. My current box does everything I want so I don't see the point in upgrading for the sake of it.
Also, the prices I've seen for Vista have been way to expensive, so I'll wait and see if the price drops after a year or so.
I've looked at RC1 of Vista, but it didn't jump out and make me want to upgrade tbh.
I might almost agree with that, to the extent that ME was a transitional operating system intended to hold the franchise together while Microsoft finished NT. I suspect that Vista is going to undergo some big changes fairly quickly. Once they have the basic platform out there then they will focus on making it what it should have been to begin with.
But with respect to your later comment about wanting the O/S to run in 128 megs ram... why? 2 Gigs ram almost costs less than the O/S.
<brian griffin>That's hilaaaaarious!!</brian griffin>
Wow, that is out there. Not only was MCE released a good 3 years before Front Row, it blows it away in features.
Since when did anybody sane want to buy the next MicroSoft whatever?
There may be a few bits that people like, but MicroSoft releases products for the benefit of MicroSoft.
Vista is all about DRM and locking in the marketplace. Its going to be the first secure OS, not in the bug free virus free good for consumer sense, but in the MicroSoft is the gateway to access bad for everybody else sense.
I have two PCs at my desk on a KVM, one running 98se and one running XP pro, and while 98se could use a few patches, its not like I switch between them and think wow this is different.
Considering we are now in a time when a PC can retail for $199 with Linspire, I have to wonder how much MicroSoft thinks it can milk the average consumer for?
There may be a few bits that people like, but MicroSoft releases products for the benefit of MicroSoft.
Vista is all about DRM and locking in the marketplace. Its going to be the first secure OS, not in the bug free virus free good for consumer sense, but in the MicroSoft is the gateway to access bad for everybody else sense.
I have two PCs at my desk on a KVM, one running 98se and one running XP pro, and while 98se could use a few patches, its not like I switch between them and think wow this is different.
Considering we are now in a time when a PC can retail for $199 with Linspire, I have to wonder how much MicroSoft thinks it can milk the average consumer for?
Lol, I also kept the new Vista wallpapers, copied them across to my XP machines. As for Vista itself, - yeah, cluttered, messy, unnecessarily confusing, etc.
No way! This is completely unexpected information. Previously I thought all software development companies, and in fact all companies in general, released products only out of altruistic motivations. The fact that they do so to benefit themselves is something that utterly shatters my concept of the world.
Oh no.
Edit: on another topic, does anyone else think that people who are still running Windows 98 and don't like Microsoft are a little like survivalists hiding in caves in Idaho?
Maybe a bad analogy. I dunno.
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Seems like things should be straightened out good enough by June when the trial license wears off
I have been an early adopter too often and paid for it in frustration, but I doubt it is gonna stop me from getting Vista. However, the looming DRM crap also makes it appear likely that I will have a multiboot system for the forseeable future.I keep an old mac around ready to boot hooked to a UPS that will run off a car battery.
I have a bunch of old computers, back to a A ][ and a orignal IBM PC, but I also have a few systems on XP, and a 98se system that I use fairly frequently. DOS still throws me off, but as long as it has a shell around it like XP none of the GUI are that different.
spherrod
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It's like everyone in this thread getting a 3 month early pre-release of some random book, and then judging it by it's cover without knowing or understanding the contents. Sure, Vista looks to be just a visual update to all of us common folk, but there's so much more going on that you'll never see or know about. Do I know everything? Hardly. What I do know is that judging by these comments, there is absolutely nothing Microsoft could've done short of an indepth walkthrough of their code to prove to 90% of you that this OS is actually worth the upgrade.
When you comment ONLY on new visual effects and layouts, then you have absolutely no right to pass judgement on a near-complete OS. If I may make another analogy, it's like saying the new GTO isn't fast because it looks plain on the outside.....you're judging it by looks only, and not what really makes it go.
When you comment ONLY on new visual effects and layouts, then you have absolutely no right to pass judgement on a near-complete OS. If I may make another analogy, it's like saying the new GTO isn't fast because it looks plain on the outside.....you're judging it by looks only, and not what really makes it go.
If there is so much more then I will ever know or see about then why should I care about it?
I means it's not like it matters if it doesn't seem to affect anything.
HannibalX
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Microsoft a monopoly? Pfft...
Most of you are too young to remember.
MS started out as a tiny little company. People CHOSE to buy MS products over IBM, Apple, etc. Customers made them what they are to today. Customers can shut that company down if they want.
/waits for Linux kids to flame me.
Most of you are too young to remember.
MS started out as a tiny little company. People CHOSE to buy MS products over IBM, Apple, etc. Customers made them what they are to today. Customers can shut that company down if they want.
/waits for Linux kids to flame me.
The bottom line is XP is a good OS but when Microsoft stops updating it's Direct X and you can only get updated Direct X on Vista, XP will start to die. Not because Microsoft couldn't update it but because they will purposely stop for the purpose of killing XP so that more people will buy Vista. Already they are making Halo 3 for Vista only, not because XP could not handle it but to give an "incentive" for people to update to Vista.
PingSpike
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Originally posted by: drag
If there is so much more then I will ever know or see about then why should I care about it?
I means it's not like it matters if it doesn't seem to affect anything.
Thats a good point. If you don't notice it, it may as well not even be there. That must be why they cut every new feature besides the damn 3D desktop that no on needs.
yeah no kidding. now standard oil and at&t were the real deal monopolies. microsoft? child's play by comparison.
consumers may move to vista but businesses will stay with windows 2000/xp for the near future. most businesses are still using w2k.
HannibalX
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At my company we are about half Win2k and half XP. We have no plans to move to Vista in the the near or distant future.
To move to Vista across the board would mean buying new PCs for about 60% of our workers (about 6000 workers). That just isn't going to happen.
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