I just got into it with a piece-o-@#%$ Christian #$%# today.

[yasha]

przero>:
To his question - "Are you saved?" the correct response would have been "No."

Why is that the correct answer? If I don't believe in the "Original Sin" and Christianity in general, why would I take that on as the right answer?????????

Secondly, I would not have accepted anything new from him because I already have my own rock solid beliefs, as you do from the sound of it.

As I said to someone else. Some Christians seem to only think one way.

Did this answer your question, chief?

 

[przero]

Hey guys, read the Bible. Either you believe it or you don't.If you believe it will not matter what the EVANGELICALS say.You'll know the TRUTH. If you don't believe it, it will not matter what the EVANGELICALS say. You'll know a "CHRISTian" by his actions, his words won't be necessary.

 

[yasha]

"LOL" What Da Heck was that?
Maybe you need to take a brisk jog around the block or something

 

[przero]

Saved was a specific term applied to accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior. Therefore as I am assuming you haven't accepted Him, the correct answer to the question was No. That is not to assail your beliefs, just simply to explain his question. As to the other I simply said suppose. Now one more suppose, just to humor me. Suppose he is right and he is the last person to offer to share the "Gospel" with you. And never ever do you have the chance to change your mind..... Just suppose. But, i'm not imposing my beliefs on you. Just asking you to suppose. Thanks. No malice intended. I ain't perfect.

 

[Lucky]

"explain to me how someone else practicing a religion hurts you."

<sigh>

There are many religions in the world where religion is associated with violence-check the middle east. Many around the world, including the US, think christianity is a farce, plain brainwashing and a vast source of revenue by way of tithing (sp?) and a means for providing an &quot;elite&quot; class of citizens (the church).

Mind you, im not argueing this, and im probably not the best one to relate this for those that do, but the beliefs are out there, and probably more common than you think....just as you might think that satan, or paganism, or wicka is terrible and harmful to society. Its hard for me to eloquate on these opinions-i dont hold most of them myself.

 

[yasha]

I really woudn't care since I don't give a hoot about the Gospil. Perhaps it is you that are lost, brother? PM me and I'll offer you the true way.

 

[Michael]

yasha and the &quot;Christian&quot; in the story were both rude and would be an example to my daughter in how not to behave. From his own words, yasha is carrying a great deal of rage in him. He also has some sort of superiority complex that makes him think that the others in this thread are here for his amusement and that he can throw around insults without it staining him.

Although I do think that he needs help and feel compassion for his deep-seated confusion and fear, I also think we would serve him best by not responding any further. That way we don't risk triggering his problems any further.

Michael

 

[WombatWoman]

<< Well, I guess I'm not getting that apology from the one person that owes me one. Perhaps I'm not the only &quot;cocky&quot; person in the forum >>


If you mean me, don't hold your breath waiting for an apology. I told you how I define trolling (i.e. &quot;posting with the sole intent of riling people.&quot If that was not your intent, you have madly misphrased the title of this thread and most of the posts you've made in it.

You seem to have some contemplative qualities, yasha, but your tendency to lash out at those who disagree with you has obscured them. Remarks like &quot;You hand me a Bible or cross and I'll give it back to you covered in something you would not like&quot; lead only to bickering and ill will.

 

[yasha]

WombatWoman> That wasn't a harsh response. I think you might be prone to look at it more as harsh because you are a Christian. That's your opinion though. And oh, didn't you notice the smiley wink in my post. Loosen up a bit


I should also mention that some replies were very abusive and deserved a reply from me. Seems like you've ignored those replies, Den Mother!

 

[murdock2525]

Well living in a big city for the last few years..I feel the same way. If I'm crossing a parking lot you can say heh, how ya doin, hi, you wanna sell that car, your zipper is down...whatever...fine.


Start with the are u saved, gotta smoke ?, gotta dollar, I need work,my car is out of gas..can I have 2 dollars for gas I'll mail it back to you friday..I need a quarter to call my wife....I've heard them all and they will get you an asswhippin in a heartbeat....I'd have broke the pricks jaw !

Social acknowledgement is fine but don't ask me my personal business or knock on my door if you weren't invited...

 

[Robert01]

<< Hey, I'm mormon and sooner or later I'll probably be knocking on doors for two years on a mission. I probably won't end up inside the US because I speak spanish a bit so I'll be shot somewhere else but it's still the same. I know a little about the way my church approaches people and it's alot less than calling you a sinner but still be decent to somebody. At worst walk away. I think it's a little rude to do anything more than ask if you want to know anything about what they believe but politeness is key almost everywhere. I know my church just asks if you want to know more, if you don't we say goodbye, no questions asked and no judgement given. It's your life, you choose how you live it >>

I'm also a Latter-Day Saint and I'll be doing the same thing in about a year. It's definitely an eye-opener to see the different opinions that people share on here about Christianity and religion in general. True, there are religious zealots that seem mentally unstable. For the most part, however, I think missionaries/evangelists try to share their beliefs because of their love for people. From a Latter-Day Saint perspective, as already mentioned, we're pretty tolerant of others' beliefs. If you don't want to hear what we have to say, that's ok. If the conversation about my beliefs ever come up, I share it, but I don't keep edging people on about it. If they want to find out more, then I'm willing to answer their questions.

 

[Courtland]

Moronic religious people like that need to worry about saving themselves from stupidity. I wouldn't of beat him up or anything, just would of laughed and drove home laughing the whole way.

 

[WombatWoman]

<< I should also mention that some replies were very abusive and deserved a reply from me. Seems like you've ignored those replies, Den Mother >>



yasha, dear, I am quibbling with you because you started the thread. You have kept the thread going at a heated level. I can't be everybody's mother.

 

[yasha]

Actually, I did drive home laughing at him later on
He looked like he was a meth-head!

 

[yasha]

Not Everybody's Mother> Look toots, I'm hardly the one that kept it heated when you look at everyone's posts. I think perhaps you just like all goody-goody threads in your visual diet. Don't get all out of shape when someone with balls posts something that you don't like.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hate him, laugh at him, it's all the same sickness. In the first case it's fearing he's right and in the second it's pretending he's wrong.

 

[yasha]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...huh, what...did you say something?

&quot;Must of been a pestering fly.&quot;

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes a gadfly.

 

[Blayze]

I would have just said no and got in my car and left if I were you.

I am also a Christian, but I do not believe in pushing your beliefs on somebody else.

I don't think I have ever been rude or anything to a person asking me questions. Or when they come to your door, I am always nice, say thanks but no thanks, and let them be on there way.

Even if I did not want to be saved or did not believe, I would not just jump someone because they told me I looked like a sinner. All that does, in my opinion, is make you look just as bad.
Now if the guy jump out of his car and said your going to hell boy, be saved, then smacked you on the head with a bible you might have a reason to punch the guy out.

Oh well thats my two cents...

Later,

Blayze

 

[WombatWoman]

<< Not Everybody's Mother> Look toots, I'm hardly the one that kept it heated when you look at everyone's posts. I think perhaps you just like all goody-goody threads in your visual diet. Don't get all out of shape when someone with balls posts something that you don't like. >>



Apparently you equate belligerence with balls. If so, I suspect that you can barely walk.

And don't call me toots. That's Madame Toots to you, kid.

yasha, seriously, what you don't seem to be getting here is that most of the Christians (and some of the non-Christians) in this thread are not taking you to task for your beliefs, or lack of same, but for the disproportionate fury that you expressed toward the hapless 'phukO' who asked if you are saved. While he may have been clumsy, even tactless, it does not sound as if there was any deep-seated malice in his words. The same, I fear, cannot be said of yours.

The best post in this entire thread, in my view, came from Michael. It bears repeating:

yasha and the &quot;Christian&quot; in the story were both rude and would be an example to my daughter in how not to behave. From his own words, yasha is carrying a great deal of rage in him. He also has some sort of superiority complex that makes him think that the others in this thread are here for his amusement and that he can throw around insults without it staining him.

 

[przero]

Remember Billy Bob Thorton's character in &quot;The Apostle&quot;? A fitting likeness.

 

[StageLeft]

That guy needs to practice what he preeches. He obviously isn't saved if he would first ask a total stranger if the stranger is saved and then say that they look like a sinner (thats extremely antagonistic). Damn right you felt like shredding him into pieces. I do as well and thats only from hearing your account of it!

glenn said &quot;You should get some psychological counseling if a bit of mild chatter by a religious-minded person leads you to want to become violent.... &quot; I don't agree. A stranger calling me a sinner is exactly as offensive (I think) as if I went to a total stranger and said &quot;I think you look like an a**hole.&quot; Maybe its just me but I find that the sinner line is even _worse_ because it claims that the person who made it knows enough about you to make such a judgement but he only just met you.

Thats just the sort of thing that makes a person deserve getting hit. I'm not violent so I wouldn't do it, but I would like somebody else too

 

[Tiger]

<< A stranger calling me a sinner is exactly as offensive (I think) as if I went to a total stranger and said &quot;I think you look like an a**hole&quot; >>



If the people posting in this thread who claim to be &quot;non-religious&quot; or &quot;non-believers&quot; truly feel that way then the word &quot;sinner&quot; should have no meaning. It certainly shouldn't evoke such feelings to make them want to kick somebody's ass unless they're just pissed at the world and looking to share their pain. Counseling seems to be in order.

 

[StageLeft]

I don't agree. I personally think somebody is a sinner if they do bad things or are a bad person. I don't care if the technical definition of the word holds meaning only in a religious context. The problem is that this stranger had the gall to judge another stranger in such a serious way and let this stranger know that they think they are a sinner, IE a bad person.

You truly think that being called a bad person by a total stranger who knows nothing about you is OK? I don't. And if you think I need counselling well then half the people in the world would need it. Counselling should be going to the moron who picks people on the street and calls them sinners and asks if they've been saved.

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I can't believe that some people in this thread think that this zealot wasn't out of line. You people are unbelieavable!

 

[Optimus]

Jean - this whole thing is actually only being done for the attention. A bunch of us realized that together via PMs and have stopped feeding it. Ignore, Den Mother! He can get his attention fix from any of the other 5 threads he has started on the first page alone.